Romo vs Everybody Else

[rysko]

as much as i like the stat i just dont understand the point of this post, most of us know this already. how many super bowls do we have with him at qb. i agree with romo as our qb and as our future(present) but just pointless stat until he wins.

 

[Nav22]

Peyton Manning was a "choker"... till he won the Super Bowl.

Eli Manning was a "bust"... till he won the Super Bowl.

Tony's time will come. Teams win playoff games and Super Bowls, not individuals.

 

[Angus]

You're wasting your time man. your hard facts and figures are going in one ear and out the other with that poster. All I have to say to fans who want to bring Romo down that bad is go get some perspective and watch the games of the scrubs we had to usher onto the field before Romo and after aikman and actually go watch film of Romos games to see how often than not that he has put us into position to win games.

No. Let them go watch some other games and other QBs on other teams until they crawl back for forgiveness. It won't take long.

 

[Nav22]

I would've thought the 2.5 games of Brad Johnson and the 0.5 game of Brooks Bollinger last year would've made Cowboys fans truly appreciate how lucky we are to have a QB like Romo. Boy, was I wrong.

 

[jchocolate82]

I would've thought the 2.5 games of Brad Johnson and the 0.5 game of Brooks Bollinger last year would've made Cowboys fans truly appreciate how lucky we are to have a QB like Romo. Boy, was I wrong.

you would think but Cowboy nation can be a fickle group :laugh1:

 

[CF74]

When you have a qb like Manning who gets rid of the ball fast with his accuracy, he can overcompensate for his offensive line, so knockdowns and sacks wont really reflect the performance of his line.

You left out hurries. I concur on how quickly Manning gets rid of the ball but he doesn't have Garrett for an OC either. Our plays take to long to develop therefore more often than not, Romo has to scramble to keep plays alive. Peyton would either be chunking the ball out of bounds more or he'd be sacked more. Either way his stats would suffer, tremendously....

 

[DallasDomination]

Tony Romo is a good Qb. But He needs to mature and start stepping up to the plate when it really matters.

 

[BIGDen]

Here's the snap, A FG will probably win game, fumble!

hope he snaps out of it.

Ok. He's an unreliable holder. Good point.

 

[BIGDen]

Peyton Manning was a "choker"... till he won the Super Bowl.

Eli Manning was a "bust"... till he won the Super Bowl.

Tony's time will come. Teams win playoff games and Super Bowls, not individuals.

Exactly.
It's such a shame that Crayton, Fasano and numerous other players killed us that playoff game against the Giants. Either of those guys do their jobs and I have no doubt we are in the SB against an injured Brady and who knows?...
We would have killed GB in the championship. That Giants game was the worst thing to happen to this team and Romo was NOT why we lost. He couldn't catch those passes and he was not the one committing numerous unforced errors. He actually gave us a chance to win.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I would take Peytons O-Line, for passing blocking purposes, over ours any day of the week.

Our O-Line is not good, at all, in pass blocking and that got exposed even more once Romo wasn't behind the line to make them look better than they really are.

 

[Nav22]

Somebody needs to watch film of all our games last year and create a "sacks dodged" statistic. Tony might lead the league in this category.

 

[CF74]

Somebody needs to watch film of all our games last year and create a "sacks dodged" statistic. Tony might lead the league in this category.

Along with hurries.

 

[Doomsday101]

Somebody needs to watch film of all our games last year and create a "sacks dodged" statistic. Tony might lead the league in this category.

I agree however I would like to see Tony to a much better job of protecting the ball when he has defensive players flying around him trying to knock the ball out.

 

[RedRaiderCowboysFan]

Somebody needs to watch film of all our games last year and create a "sacks dodged" statistic. Tony might lead the league in this category.

Your giving him credit for something he creates. He holds onto the ball too long if his receivers arent wide open, so once you hold onto the ball so long there will be pressure so he scrambles.

Any qb can hit receivers that are wide open, and TO on almost all of his tds was all alone behind the coverage, or took the pass and broke tackles and scored. There are few teams that have players around the qb like here in Dallas that can take a short pass and turn it into big yards and tds on a consistent basis. That inflates the qbs stats and completion percentage. The shorter your passes are, the better chance you have of completing them. romo is a terrible downfield passer unless his receiver is wide open, other then maybe last year the Miles Austin td in GB. Even quincy and hutchinson made some nice passes in coverage, but any nfl qb including romo can do. The greats like Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger can hit the receiver down field with coverage consistently. Looking at stats on a page dont tell the story, which is what most rely upon to make their argument that romo is worth a damn. Ill take a qb like big ben who might not put up big stats, even though 2 years he ago he had 32 tds with only 11 ints playing outside in the snow, but when the pressure is at its greatest, he raises his level of play. But receivers like TO and Witten on the Steelers, and Ben's stats are off the charts.

And when you say well he has a great defense, yes he does, but his offensve other then Holmes isnt explosive, so he plays within the confines of the system, doesnt make mistakes to put his team in a bind, and at the end of the game when the score is close, he plays his best. Thats what wins Championships, hence why he already has 2 by age 26 and the Steelers and not the Cowboys are the first team to win 6.

 

[PBJTime]

Your giving him credit for something he creates. He holds onto the ball too long if his receivers arent wide open, so once you hold onto the ball so long there will be pressure so he scrambles.

Any qb can hit receivers that are wide open, and TO on almost all of his tds was all alone behind the coverage, or took the pass and broke tackles and scored. There are few teams that have players around the qb like here in Dallas that can take a short pass and turn it into big yards and tds on a consistent basis. That inflates the qbs stats and completion percentage. The shorter your passes are, the better chance you have of completing them. romo is a terrible downfield passer unless his receiver is wide open, other then maybe last year the Miles Austin td in GB. Even quincy and hutchinson made some nice passes in coverage, but any nfl qb including romo can do. The greats like Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger can hit the receiver down field with coverage consistently. Looking at stats on a page dont tell the story, which is what most rely upon to make their argument that romo is worth a damn. Ill take a qb like big ben who might not put up big stats, even though 2 years he ago he had 32 tds with only 11 ints playing outside in the snow, but when the pressure is at its greatest, he raises his level of play. But receivers like TO and Witten on the Steelers, and Ben's stats are off the charts.

And when you say well he has a great defense, yes he does, but his offensve other then Holmes isnt explosive, so he plays within the confines of the system, doesnt make mistakes to put his team in a bind, and at the end of the game when the score is close, he plays his best. Thats what wins Championships, hence why he already has 2 by age 26 and the Steelers and not the Cowboys are the first team to win 6.

I don't even know where to begin but I'll start with the above...

Would you back this up with something...anything?

Like Brad Johnson or Bollinger? Please don't tell me that they performed as well as Romo does. I could name 30 other NFL QB's that can't do what Romo does.

Like his first Superbowl...that kind of raising your play? Or did you mean something else?

 

[dadymat]

When you have a qb like Manning who gets rid of the ball fast with his accuracy, he can overcompensate for his offensive line, so knockdowns and sacks wont really reflect the performance of his line. Im sure most dont even watch Colt games, but their line was shuffled all last year, and even didnt have Lilja the entire season. Ugoh, Saturday, Diem all missed time, so 2 rookies (Pollack and the rookie center from Uni. of Buffalo) had to take on a large role, especially early when Manning was recovering from his knee injury. (Will most readers even know who the lineman are for the Colts, probably not so how can anybody on here really talk about the Colts line?)

I bet Peyton would have played with a hurt pinkie.

However, when you have a qb like romo who holds onto the ball and waits for a receiver to break wide open because he isnt accurate enough to make a completion when his receiver isnt wide open, then people will pin the blame on the offensive line. Manning's completions are downfield, romo has the luxury of making short passes that his receivers have turned into long gains that inflate his stats. Without Owens, teams will clamp down on the receivers cause there will be no threat on the outside like Owens. Unless Austin can do more then run straight down the field, teams will know what to look for when he lines up. Witten also wont have the luxury of single coverage with a linebacker since he is the only reliable target, teams will make it a point to do their best to take him away.

Your giving him credit for something he creates. He holds onto the ball too long if his receivers arent wide open, so once you hold onto the ball so long there will be pressure so he scrambles.

Any qb can hit receivers that are wide open, and TO on almost all of his tds was all alone behind the coverage, or took the pass and broke tackles and scored. There are few teams that have players around the qb like here in Dallas that can take a short pass and turn it into big yards and tds on a consistent basis. That inflates the qbs stats and completion percentage. The shorter your passes are, the better chance you have of completing them. romo is a terrible downfield passer unless his receiver is wide open, other then maybe last year the Miles Austin td in GB. Even quincy and hutchinson made some nice passes in coverage, but any nfl qb including romo can do. The greats like Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger can hit the receiver down field with coverage consistently. Looking at stats on a page dont tell the story, which is what most rely upon to make their argument that romo is worth a damn. Ill take a qb like big ben who might not put up big stats, even though 2 years he ago he had 32 tds with only 11 ints playing outside in the snow, but when the pressure is at its greatest, he raises his level of play. But receivers like TO and Witten on the Steelers, and Ben's stats are off the charts.

And when you say well he has a great defense, yes he does, but his offensve other then Holmes isnt explosive, so he plays within the confines of the system, doesnt make mistakes to put his team in a bind, and at the end of the game when the score is close, he plays his best. Thats what wins Championships, hence why he already has 2 by age 26 and the Steelers and not the Cowboys are the first team to win 6.

do you even watch football......?

Manning has had an exellent O line for most of his career....Romos pressure isnt created by him ...yeah maybe a few times but ive seen defenders get to Romo almost as fast as the ball....

Romo not accurate? even Michael Strahan says that Romo is the most accurate on the move QB hes ever seen...im sure he had a better view than you did

 

[Nav22]

Looking at stats on a page dont tell the story, which is what most rely upon to make their argument that romo is worth a damn.

So the implication here is that Romo is not "worth a damn"? Gotcha.

I love the "ignore" feature on this board.

 

[THUMPER]

So the implication here is that Romo is not "worth a damn"? Gotcha.

I love the "ignore" feature on this board.

Me too, in fact I was just thinking of adding a few names to my list.

Who are these people anyway? :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

 

[ArmyCowboy]

I'll say upfront that I believe Romo is a very good quarterback.

However, I really don't think that QB ratings should ever be used to try to tell the whole story about a QB; or stats in general should be used as a sole means to analize any player.

There are things that Romo needs to work on and ball security is huge. Lets look, for example at fumbles last season and compare Tony with some of the other top QBs in 2008:

Romo (13 games) 13 fumbles
Peyton Manning (16 games)1 fumble
Jay Cutler (16 games) 5 fumbles
Drew Brees (16 games) 6 fumbles
Eli Manning (16 games) 5 fumbles
Jake Delhomme (16 games) 5 fumbles
Tom Brady (2007, 16 games) 6 fumbles

You get the idea.
I'm not trying to run Romo down with this, I'm just saying he's not a finished product and there are very real areas that he needs to work on to become a complete QB.

 

[StoneyBurk]

"Looking at stats on a page dont tell the story, which is what most rely upon to make their argument that romo is worth a damn. Ill take a qb like big ben who might not put up big stats, even though 2 years he ago he had 32 tds with only 11 ints playing outside in the snow, but when the pressure is at its greatest, he raises his level of play. But receivers like TO and Witten on the Steelers, and Ben's stats are off the charts. "

Then why aren't you on the Steelers board if you don't like our players?