Romo vs Staubach and Aikman

[WillieBeamen]

Troy's best season was a 99 qbr in 1993. That is comparative to one of Romo's worst season. Troy had 3 different season where he threw more interceptions than TD's. Romo wouldn't be caught dead doing that.

You cant Compare passer ratings across eras. It was a different game back then. If you do that, then you would have to say QBs like Chad Pennington, Matt Shaub, and Andy Dalton were better QBs than Troy. Compare those players best passer rating seasons and stack them up against the other QBs the same season.

Troy was a top 5 passer in his best seasons. Find me a QB whos numbers dont go down when his team around him deteriorate. He was a better QB im his prime than Tony Romo.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

People seemed to be really sensitive when it comes to Troy. Troy was a very good QB. Troy was a respected leader. But when the team around Troy was not good...Troy looked pretty ordinary. And trust me...I am a diehard Cowboy fan and love the triplets. But those 90s teams were about culture, coaching staff AND great players. No ONE person had to carry the weight of the franchise.

Since Jimmy and his influence have left the building. People really underestimate what a clown show this has been. Jerry is the BEST at creating a mirage. But quite frankly....a lot of the 8-8 years with Romo....would have been 4-12 with about 90% of the other QBs in the NFL at the time. And look no further than LAST year. Forget that we could not win games.....we could not score....we struggled to get 1st downs. So again...I don't want to turn this into a Jerry Jones "trash" session...but you really need to understand how discombobulated this on field operation was/is...and how Romo has literally broke his back to keep it from collapsing...and last year...the roof caved in.

I don't think any of this is true. If you put Troy in a different Offensive scheme, his numbers are probably really different. Conversely, if you put Tony in a timing Offense, I think his numbers are not nearly as impressive. I hate comparing players from different eras. It's just to hard because it's never apples to apples.

 

[mahoneybill]

The argument with Romo is how many of those 4 qtr comebacks were his fault? He has made a fair amount of bad plays to cough up the ball only to recover and make the game winning play too. Completely different game as well with Staubach....the passing rules were so in favor of the defense back then that his numbers really can't be compared to Romo's.

Also, both Roger & Troy had dominant defenses who could most of the time maintain a lead, or make a stop for in particular Rodger to perform his miracles. I don't recall Troy having to do the same things that both Rodger & Tony were challenged with

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

1. STAUBACH
2. Aikman
3. romo

 

[Jstopper]

You cant Compare passer ratings across eras. It was a different game back then. If you do that, then you would have to say QBs like Chad Pennington, Matt Shaub, and Andy Dalton were better QBs than Troy. Compare those players best passer rating seasons and stack them up against the other QBs the same season.

Troy was a top 5 passer in his best seasons. Find me a QB whos numbers dont go down when his team around him deteriorate. He was a better QB im his prime than Tony Romo.

Tony Romo led an abysmal cowboys team to an 8-8 record in 2011. He had a 102 passer rating which was good for #4 in the league. in 2013 he

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I don't think any of this is true. If you put Troy in a different Offensive scheme, his numbers are probably really different. Conversely, if you put Tony in a timing Offense, I think his numbers are not nearly as impressive. I hate comparing players from different eras. It's just to hard because it's never apples to apples.

His numbers "might" be different...but he also might not have 3 rings. Troy did not HAVE to be the leader on those teams. First of all...Jimmy was the leader. Irvin was the fire. Emmit was the bell cow. We won PLAYOFF games with Troy injured. We went on playoff runs at the end of a season with Troy injured. That would not be the case if Emmit was out. Troy complained often about the lack of discipline once Jimmy left the building. If Troy was THE "leader"...he would have found a way to elevate the franchise. Again, does not mean Troy wasn't a very good player. But he is not switching teams at the end of his career ala Peyton Manning...and putting a team in Super Bowl contention based on his presence alone.

 

[Jstopper]

1. STAUBACH
2. Aikman
3. romo

Aikman should be at the bottom of that list.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Based on what?

My opinion, statistics. Marino and those cats were always better than him. Talk all you want about SB's, when we had to come from behind or throw the ball to win, Aikman couldnt cut it enough. Without Emmitt and the run game we were toast.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Top 3 QB or Top 3 passer?

There's a difference.

Aikman was never a Top 3 passer... He didn't get the attempts to do so.

But a Top 3 QB? Yeah, he was there.

Romo's a great passer.

I dont agree. Aikman was the best bus driver we have ever seen. Strong in the pocket, accurate, great leader. But when we had to win it on his arm, he wasnt nealry good enough. And his deep ball was sorely lacking for his other skills.

 

[Sydla]

The notion that Romo excelled with little around him is partly bogus.

2009, for example, he had the 2nd ranked defense, Miles Austin had his best season as a pro, Witten caught 94 balls that year, Barber ran for just under a 1000 yards, and what happened?

They soiled the bed in the playoffs. So to argue that Romo played his entire career up until now with a bunch of mutts and losers is just people trying to re-write history to prove their point.

 

[WillieBeamen]

If Tony Romo was a top 5 passer for 5 straight seasons, won 3 rings, and was a SB MVP, everyone on here would say he's a top 3 QB hands down.

Troy Aikman did this exact same thing, and some are saying he wasnt a top 3 QB lol

 

[Jstopper]

Wow. I am actually surprised you would list those guys as superior to Aikman. Seriously.

When the team around Troy deteriorated I believe all of those guys would have been able to better keep us afloat than Aikman. He really was the benefit of being in the perfect situation. HOF RB, best o-line of that time, top defense, HOF WR, excellent head coach, and no Free agency. Those teams were able to win games with Troy out hurt. hell they won playoff game with Troy out. Meanwhile we are out here struggling to go 1-11 without our head honcho. Romo would have done everything Troy did for those 90 teams and probably more.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

The notion that Romo excelled with little around him is partly bogus.

2009, for example, he had the 2nd ranked defense, Miles Austin had his best season as a pro, Witten caught 94 balls that year, Barber ran for just under a 1000 yards, and what happened?

They soiled the bed in the playoffs. So to argue that Romo played his entire career up until now with a bunch of mutts and losers is just people trying to re-write history to prove their point.

We have had some great players for sure in the Romo era. But that just highlights the fact that the issues in Dallas are MUCH bigger than Romo. And I vowed NOT to turn this thread into what the REAL problem is in Dallas.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

When the team around Troy deteriorated I believe all of those guys would have been able to better keep us afloat than Aikman. He really was the benefit of being in the perfect situation. HOF RB, best o-line of that time, top defense, HOF WR, excellent head coach, and no Free agency. Those teams were able to win games with Troy out hurt. hell they won playoff game with Troy out. Meanwhile we are out here struggling to go 1-11 without our head honcho. Romo would have done everything Troy did for those 90 teams and probably more.

I truly think people FORGET we actually made a playoff run AND won a playoff game WITHOUT Troy. Heck, Troy has admitted that he remembered very little about one of our Super Bowl wins...because he was concussed for the game. Tough SOB. Respected leader. Very good player. But he did not have to carry as big of a load like Romo and some other QBs have had to.

 

[jazzcat22]

Where is Danny White, he belongs in here, he put up some very good numbers too.

 

[Jstopper]

If Tony Romo was a top 5 passer for 5 straight seasons, won 3 rings, and was a SB MVP, everyone on here would say he's a top 3 QB hands down.

Troy Aikman did this exact same thing, and some are saying he wasnt a top 3 QB lol

Yeah because he was the original Russell Wilson. The bus driver on a good team effect. Some people try to say Wilson is a top qb because he has been in 2 of the last 3 superbowls. No, he's not. His team is so good that they are broken, and he isn't asked to do much. I'm not equating team success to individual success as you're trying to do.

 

[Jstopper]

I truly think people FORGET we actually made a playoff run AND won a playoff game WITHOUT Troy. Heck, Troy has admitted that he remembered very little about one of our Super Bowl wins...because he was concussed for the game. Tough SOB. Respected leader. Very good player. But he did not have to carry as big of a load like Romo and some other QBs have had to.

Exactly. I'm telling you man you get those superbowls and they cover all your flaws. Same as how people forget Big ben had something like a 20 qbr in one of his superbowl wins. That is disgusting, you shouldn't even get a ring after playing that badly. That's what can happen when your team is so talented though. Even with their leader missing and or playing horribly they still can win.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

You cant Compare passer ratings across eras. It was a different game back then. If you do that, then you would have to say QBs like Chad Pennington, Matt Shaub, and Andy Dalton were better QBs than Troy. Compare those players best passer rating seasons and stack them up against the other QBs the same season.

Troy was a top 5 passer in his best seasons. Find me a QB whos numbers dont go down when his team around him deteriorate. He was a better QB im his prime than Tony Romo.

In Troy's prime we won a playoff game without him. It simply would not come close to happening without Romo.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Yeah because he was the original Russell Wilson. The bus driver on a good team effect. Some people try to say Wilson is a top qb because he has been in 2 of the last 3 superbowls. No, he's not. His team is so good that they are broken, and he isn't asked to do much. I'm not equating team success to individual success as you're trying to do.

Im sorry but comparing Troy Aikman to Russell Wilson is asinine. Look at Troys playoff performances the years we won. He stepped up in the biggest games. Russell Wilson literally relied on his defense to get to his two super bowls.

 

[WillieBeamen]

In Troy's prime we won a playoff game without him. It simply would not come close to happening without Romo.

Thats more of an indictment of the teams assembled. We arent arguing which teams were better, we are arguing which QBs were better in their prime.