Romo vs Staubach and Aikman

[Jstopper]

I used to think that way. But my friends have convinced me he will get in with the following: "Never in the history of the NFL..has a 2 time Super Bowl winning QB not been elected to the HOF"..is what they say

Hmmm i wonder who was the backup qb to all those patriot sb's? i wonder would that qualify?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

LOLOL this comment taught me everything i need to know about you.

Laughter hides a lack of logic and persuasion, bloke. So get a better response next time if you want to be taken seriously.
Speaking of seriously, Romo's two career playoff wins are appreciated. Truly, are are.

 

[Jstopper]

You just perfectly described how unimportant championships are to this discussion.

Nah that type of thinking doesn't work against the collective group think. Rings are the only thing that matters. We only apply stats and performance when comparing two qb's who both have rings apparently.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

His numbers "might" be different...but he also might not have 3 rings. Troy did not HAVE to be the leader on those teams. First of all...Jimmy was the leader. Irvin was the fire. Emmit was the bell cow. We won PLAYOFF games with Troy injured. We went on playoff runs at the end of a season with Troy injured. That would not be the case if Emmit was out. Troy complained often about the lack of discipline once Jimmy left the building. If Troy was THE "leader"...he would have found a way to elevate the franchise. Again, does not mean Troy wasn't a very good player. But he is not switching teams at the end of his career ala Peyton Manning...and putting a team in Super Bowl contention based on his presence alone.

Wow again. Troy, IMO, was the unquestioned leader on those teams, especially after Jimmy left. Troy won a Championship without Norv, without Butch Davis, without Jimmy. He did elevate the team. Had Troy left in 2006, I think he had a very good chance of winning a Championship with another good team. However, that was not a possibility. Troy was under contract.

 

[Jstopper]

Laughter hides a lack of logic and persuasion, bloke. So get a better response next time if you want to be taken seriously.
Speaking of seriously, Romo's two career playoff wins are appreciated. Truly, are are.

The fact that you don't know who Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer are shows me your lack of football knowledge and that you should be taken as a joke. Go brush up on your history books before you try to debate me. And to answer your question no Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson do not have more superbowl wins than Romo has play off wins. Those are the two qb's who are commonly used as an example to show that a good enough team can get a scrub a ring. because they both were scrubs. Dilfer wasn't even brought back by his team the next season after they won. Class dismissed.

 

[big dog cowboy]

This thread gives me a headache. I'm wondering if some actually saw Aikman play with the amount his career has been dissed.

Just to set the record straight, Romo is 3rd on the list of great Cowboy QB's.

 

[CowboyChris]

Even with his 2 rings if Eli doesn't win a few games in the playoffs again before he retires I don't think they will actually vote him into the HOF.

Eli is a lock for the HOF, and quite frankly, i don't see any reason why he can't or won't win another playoff game.

as for the OP, I'm thankful we had all three of these QB's, and if i had to rank them.

1. Staubach
2. Aikman
3. Romo (although that could change)

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Wow again. Troy, IMO, was the unquestioned leader on those teams, especially after Jimmy left. Troy won a Championship without Norv, without Butch Davis, without Jimmy. He did elevate the team. Had Troy left in 2006, I think he had a very good chance of winning a Championship with another good team. However, that was not a possibility. Troy was under contract.

I don't think there was an UNQUESTIONED leader on those teams. I think there were multiple leaders. I also don't think Troy was the most important person in the franchise....like most franchise QBs are today. It was Jimmy. The team was good enough to win without Jimmy....without Norv...without Butch Davis...without Dave Wanstedt...and without Troy. That is how GOOD we were. This dynasty breathed it's last breath game 4 of the 199 season in Veterans stadium.

 

[Bowdown27]

I love Tony ..... but he is 3rd on that list.

I'm with ya. I love tony but you can't put him up there. 5 Super Bowls between the two. Super mvp and hall of famers. Tony has to win a super bowl to be in convo

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

This thread gives me a headache. I'm wondering if some actually saw Aikman play with the amount his career has been dissed.

Just to set the record straight, Romo is 3rd on the list of great Cowboy QB's.

Meh, Aikman was horse feathers. The '90s glory years were only a dream.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

See what you have done????
You have me agreeing with Zrinkill !!!
The old gimme (when he returns) WILL NOT LIKE THIS!!!!

 

[Jstopper]

Eli is a lock for the HOF, and quite frankly, i don't see any reason why he can't or won't win another playoff game.

as for the OP, I'm thankful we had all three of these QB's, and if i had to rank them.

1. Staubach
2. Aikman
3. Romo (although that could change)

Besides the fact that he hasn't actually made it to the playoffs in 5 years? That's what would prevent him from winning another playoff game, gotta make it there to get a win. And i dont seen the Giants being good enough to challenge for the divison or even a wildcard. But i don't think he is a lock, a lot of the media has really soured on him after seeing his sporadic play for the last half decade.

 

[percyhoward]

If you look around the league, there are entire generations of fans (in some cases, multiple generations) who don't know what it's like to have a great QB leading their team.

There isn't one generation of Cowboy fans that can say they don't know what it's like.

 

[khiladi]

Stat-padding is the reality of this era... Peyton Manning, with the number 1 offense in the world, that set all sorts of records, 3 years back couldn't do jack against a Seattle defense that was basically playing like DBs did in the early 90

QBs regularly pass over 300 yards a game nowadays, even the sub-par average ones.

 

[CowboyChris]

Besides the fact that he hasn't actually made it to the playoffs in 5 years? That's what would prevent him from winning another playoff game, gotta make it there to get a win. And i dont seen the Giants being good enough to challenge for the divison or even a wildcard. But i don't think he is a lock, a lot of the media has really soured on him after seeing his sporadic play for the last half decade.

I agree about Eli, I wouldnt be rushing his name to the HOF either, but those 2 SB wins vs the Patriots in this era are huge, especially the plays he made to win both of those games....i just can't see how the bias hall of fame voters would keep him out.

 

[Jstopper]

I agree about Eli, I wouldnt be rushing his name to the HOF either, but those 2 SB wins vs the Patriots in this era are huge, especially the plays he made to win both of those games....i just can't see how the bias hall of fame voters would keep him out.

If he does get in it will be like on his 10th time up. Definitely not in his 1st three chances I would guarantee that.

 

[khiladi]

And Montana and Steve Young also played on stacked teams.. And Romo's offenses weren't as bad as people make it out to be. His OC has been trash though... Aikman had trash outside of Norv Turner when it came to OCs. Zampese was done and Schula was absolute trash, and then there was Jack Reilly...

 

[RS12]

Tony Romo vs. Roger Staubach

Staubach took over for Morton in 1971 and served until retiring after the 1979 season.



Romo vs. Staubach: Key stats (rankings)
TD-INT ratioRatingYPAAYPA
Romo6th6th3rd6th
Staubach1st1st2nd1st
Source: Pro-Football-Reference.com



This era wasn't as strong for quarterbacks, but Staubach still crushed guys such as Tarkenton, Dawson and Ken Stabler. He stood out in a big way.



Romo vs. Staubach: The other stuff
Win %Playoff winsSuper BowlsPro BowlsMVP
Romo.5791030
Staubach.71811260
Source: Pro-Football-Reference.com



Staubach was also a Bert Bell MVP award winner, a Super Bowl MVP and is now in the Hall of Fame. At the age of 34, Romo would need a miracle to get within Staubach's range.



Tony Romo vs. Troy Aikman

Aikman started from his rookie season in 1989 until his retirement in 2000.



Romo vs. Aikman: Key stats (rankings)
TD-INT ratioRatingYPAAYPA
Romo6th6th3rd6th
Aikman33rd16th22nd22nd
Source: Pro-Football-Reference.com



This gets a little complicated here. Aikman’s raw rate-based numbers were never phenomenal. But he started as a rookie on a bad team during a significantly different era than the one he finished in. As a result, lesser players from the sample range who started their careers later have misleadingly better numbers. Mark Brunell, Brad Johnson and Elvis Grbac are three such examples.

His interception rate of 3.0 was still only 0.3 points higher than Romo’s, and his completion percentage of 61.5 was lower than only Steve Young, Joe Montana and Johnson.

Ultimately, these numbers are skewed by how long Aikman lasted as well as how many problems he and the Cowboys had early on.

For a more fair comparison to Romo, let’s remove his first two and last two seasons. That would place him exactly where Romo is right now, career-wise.



Romo (2006-2013) vs. Aikman (1991-1998)
TD-INT ratioRatingYPAAYPA
Romo6th6th3rd6th
Aikman9th3rd6th5th
Source: Pro-Football-Reference.com



That's a little more reasonable.



Romo vs. Aikman: The other stuff
Win %Playoff winsSuper BowlsPro BowlsMVP
Romo.5791030
Aikman.5701136
Source: Pro-Football-Reference.com



Aikman was 0-11 as a rookie. If we again remove those outside years, his winning percentage was .667. He's also in the Hall of Fame and has a Super Bowl MVP. And if there was any doubt, he had Romo easily, here are his combined numbers from the 1992 and 1993 playoffs:



Troy Aikman: 1992 and 1993 playoff stats
RecordComp.%TD-INTYPARating
6 games6-071.413-38.7115.7
Source: Pro-Football-Reference.com



Aikman wins, hands down.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nk-among-all-time-dallas-cowboys-quarterbacks

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

When the team around Troy deteriorated I believe all of those guys would have been able to better keep us afloat than Aikman. He really was the benefit of being in the perfect situation. HOF RB, best o-line of that time, top defense, HOF WR, excellent head coach, and no Free agency. Those teams were able to win games with Troy out hurt. hell they won playoff game with Troy out. Meanwhile we are out here struggling to go 1-11 without our head honcho. Romo would have done everything Troy did for those 90 teams and probably more.

None of the guys you mention could have run the timing offense. None of them could have come to Dallas and even played here without changing personnel and scheme. Going to ask again, are you old enough to have actually watched Aikman play his entire career? The reason I ask this is because you seem to be a little misinformed on a couple of things. Troy came to the worst situation in the Entire NFL. When he was drafted, it was anything but perfect. They did manage to build the best OL in the history of the game IMO, but it didn't start out that way. Troy entered the NFL similar to David Carr. Same kind of beatings, same opportunity to be ruined. We were really, really bad. It's a mistake to think that Troy was not important because there have only been a handful of QBs who could run that kind of Offense in the history of the game and nobody did it better then Troy. The difference is that the Cowboys were not so in love with the passing game that they could not function without it. That team had real balance and that is why they could win without Troy for a short duration. This team has been built to be so reliant on Tony that it can't function without him. The Coaching Staff doesn't help. Free agency started in the NFL in 1992. Free Agency is what killed that team.

Tony could not have even run that Offense because he didn't have the arm. Tony, IMO, would never have started for Jimmy because Jimmy would never have given him the amount of throws Tony likes. This audible to a different play as frequently as we do now would never have been allowed on those teams.

Was way different then.

 

[KJJ]

This is one of those threads that scream "offseason." This debate has come up so many times they should just create a section for it.