Romo with more 4th quarter comebacks than Aikman and Staubach?

[superpunk]

huh??

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Astericksticky thread, bro.

 

[Sarge]

Sorry, but if my team is down by 4 with 3 minutes remaining in the game, and you give me a choice of a young Roger Staubach or Tony Romo - I am going with #12 all day, every day. Simply a matter of trust.

 

[Alexander]

Sorry, but if my team is down by 4 with 3 minutes remaining in the game, and you give me a choice of a young Roger Staubach or Tony Romo - I am going with #12 all day, every day. Simply a matter of trust.

That was an excellent "rant", Sarge.

 

[Califan007]

Actually, if you bothered to look it up, you'd see that the QB who starts a game is credited with either a win or a loss, depending upon the game outcome. The stats for comeback wins are also attributed to a QB and tracked. This thread is nothing more than the mention of a statistic and therefore no more outrageous than any other statistic. Why Cowboys fans discussing a stat about their starting QB should upset or ruffle a Commanders fan is beyond confusing to me. I suppose you don't care about RG3's 3 games that fulfill that stat, nor that 2 of them happened in the stretch run of December, one against the eventual Super Bowl Champion Ravens? Yeah, don't try to go there, I am not going to believe you if you do. This was nothing more than a Commanders fan trolling, which usually isn't your forte'.

Actually, I was talking about the conventional wisdom espoused on Cowboyszone, not what the statisticians at profootballreference.com use as their guide lol...So I didn't have to look up anything. I've experienced it for 5+ years just reading posts and threads here.

And conventional wisdom of CZ is that, when Romo's "elimination game" record is brought up, the mantra is that "the team lost those games...not Romo." When individual games are brought up, the chorus of "the team lost those games...not Romo" drowns out opposing views. When playoff record is mentioned, we are reminded that "the team's playoff record is 1-3, not Romo's playoff record."

But when comeback wins are mentioned, the "team" retort gets put in the closet. It's no longer a team record or a team loss...now it's a QB "win". Me being a Commanders fan doesn't help reconcile those two seemingly contradictory points.

 

[Idgit]

Actually, I was talking about the conventional wisdom espoused on Cowboyszone, not what the statisticians at profootballreference.com use as their guide lol...So I didn't have to look up anything. I've experienced it for 5+ years just reading posts and threads here.

And conventional wisdom of CZ is that, when Romo's "elimination game" record is brought up, the mantra is that "the team lost those games...not Romo." When individual games are brought up, the chorus of "the team lost those games...not Romo" drowns out opposing views. When playoff record is mentioned, we are reminded that "the team's playoff record is 1-3, not Romo's playoff record."

But when comeback wins are mentioned, the "team" retort gets put in the closet. It's no longer a team record or a team loss...now it's a QB "win". Me being a Commanders fan doesn't help reconcile those two seemingly contradictory points.

It's human nature to defend your guy from blame and not to mitigate his praise. But, for the record, you're 100% right that it's the teams that get the credit for the comebacks along with the choke-jobs. If the QB plays poorly and the team wins anyway, the QB still plays poorly. Romo's best example of that is his 5 pick game in Buffalo a few years back. He played horribly, and we were still lucky enough to win. Because teams win team games and QBs run offenses.

 

[Trueboysfan]

It flabbergasts me that everyone stopped watching Dallas Cowboys football and only looks for Romo to fall on his face. No one wants to say anything about our horrible defense, horrible oline and worst running game in the league. No you just want to put it all on one guy. I always look at the big picture and the big picture says that without Romo we would probably have had a 4-12 season last year. if all those other factors were at least up to par we probably would have went far into the playoffs last year. Yes I'm defending Romo because no one is taking the time to look at the entire team. It's just Romo. I can't wait til the boys go far into the playoffs and win it all. I am looking forward to see what other excuses you guys come up with to discredit Romo. Be Dallas Cowboys fans for once and not fans of hating Tony Romo

 

[Hostile]

Actually, I was talking about the conventional wisdom espoused on Cowboyszone, not what the statisticians at profootballreference.com use as their guide lol...So I didn't have to look up anything. I've experienced it for 5+ years just reading posts and threads here.

And conventional wisdom of CZ is that, when Romo's "elimination game" record is brought up, the mantra is that "the team lost those games...not Romo." When individual games are brought up, the chorus of "the team lost those games...not Romo" drowns out opposing views. When playoff record is mentioned, we are reminded that "the team's playoff record is 1-3, not Romo's playoff record."

But when comeback wins are mentioned, the "team" retort gets put in the closet. It's no longer a team record or a team loss...now it's a QB "win". Me being a Commanders fan doesn't help reconcile those two seemingly contradictory points.

You mean the "conventional wisdom" espoused on every fan forum in the world. This forum is no different than any other and you know it.

 

[Califan007]

It's human nature to defend your guy from blame and not to mitigate his praise. But, for the record, you're 100% right that it's the teams that get the credit for the comebacks along with the choke-jobs. If the QB plays poorly and the team wins anyway, the QB still plays poorly. Romo's best example of that is his 5 pick game in Buffalo a few years back. He played horribly, and we were still lucky enough to win. Because teams win team games and QBs run offenses.

Exactly. I really don't give a....well, whatever word I could put there that wouldn't be censored out lol...whether or not Romo is credited with more comeback wins than Aikman or Staubach, or less, or the same amount, etc, etc. For the most part, to mount a successful comeback drive/win towards the end of the game, you need to make some serious plays...and as I've said several times on different threads, Romo is a playmaking QB. I also don't have any problems with giving the QB credit for wins and blame for losses. I only care when those records are used to trump all other stats.

The only thing I was pointing out on this thread, though, was that if you really feel the team is responsible for all the "elimination game" losses, then give the team the credit for all the comeback wins, too.

 

[Hostile]

Exactly. I really don't give a....well, whatever word I could put there that wouldn't be censored out lol...whether or not Romo is credited with more comeback wins than Aikman or Staubach, or less, or the same amount, etc, etc. For the most part, to mount a successful comeback drive/win towards the end of the game, you need to make some serious plays...and as I've said several times on different threads, Romo is a playmaking QB. I also don't have any problems with giving the QB credit for wins and blame for losses. I only care when those records are used to trump all other stats.

The only thing I was pointing out on this thread, though, was that if you really feel the team is responsible for all the "elimination game" losses, then give the team the credit for all the comeback wins, too.

But surely you can understand why Dallas Cowboys fans might give a ___________ on a forum dedicated to the team.

 

[Califan007]

You mean the "conventional wisdom" espoused on every fan forum in the world. This forum is no different than any other and you know it.

I don't remember saying it was lol...although I will say that, of the few message boards of NFL teams I've visited, I've yet to see any of them put in the same amount of effort and importance in what the QB is blamed for and what he is not...especially INTs. Seriously, haven't seen any other fan base dissect damn near every INT thrown to determine who "really" is responsible for the turnover. I'd be comfortable saying the Cowboys fan base has cornered that market lol ...

 

[Hostile]

I don't remember saying it was lol...although I will say that, of the few message boards of NFL teams I've visited, I've yet to see any of them put in the same amount of effort and importance in what the QB is blamed for and what he is not...especially INTs. Seriously, haven't seen any other fan base dissect damn near every INT thrown to determine who "really" is responsible for the turnover. I'd be comfortable saying the Cowboys fan base has cornered that market lol ...

No, ESPN has, we merely respond to their rubbish while some buy into it.

 

[Califan007]

But surely you can understand why Dallas Cowboys fans might give a ___________ on a forum dedicated to the team.

Of course...I just pointed out the inconsistency. And, yes, I'd be doing it on a Commanders board as well lol...trust me.

 

[Califan007]

No, ESPN has, we merely respond to their rubbish while some buy into it.

??...Don't follow you...

If you're talking about who's "really" to blame for various INTs, I've seen fans here start dissecting interceptions on game day threads immediately after Romo has thrown one. They weren't responding to anything ESPN said. I've also seen them get ridiculed for doing so lol...

 

[punchnjudy]

If you look at Tony's splits for his entire career, the first quarter has been his worst quarter by far. In 2012 his qb rating was a little over 60. It was strong in 2011, but from 2006-2010 there's a big gap b/w his avg qb rating for the first quarter and the other quarters.

Being a slow starter and playing on weaker teams would create more opportunities for comeback wins, especially if you're including comebacks that occur at any point in the game.

 

[Next Years Champ]

Comeback wins also have a lot to do with coaching. Anyone want to take the time to see what percentage of the time coaches like Landry and JJ had to have their team “come back?” Bottom line for me:
Staubach - Landry
Aikman - JJ
Romo - Garrett (and others).

I’m no expert but it seems to me Dallas is often trying to “come back” since Garrett has taken over. Dude is not a game manager.

Nor is he a great play caller. He doesn't scare anybody which is why having others call the plays and have more input than Garrett is essential to improving as a team.

Callahan is an improvement. At least he learned from some good offensive minds and has more experience in play calling. We'll see how it goes.

 

[Hostile]

??...Don't follow you...

If you're talking about who's "really" to blame for various INTs, I've seen fans here start dissecting interceptions on game day threads immediately after Romo has thrown one. They weren't responding to anything ESPN said. I've also seen them get ridiculed for doing so lol...

And I have seen football announcers do that for over 40 years while the game is being broadcast.

 

[Idgit]

I don't remember saying it was lol...although I will say that, of the few message boards of NFL teams I've visited, I've yet to see any of them put in the same amount of effort and importance in what the QB is blamed for and what he is not...especially INTs. Seriously, haven't seen any other fan base dissect damn near every INT thrown to determine who "really" is responsible for the turnover. I'd be comfortable saying the Cowboys fan base has cornered that market lol ...

Well, that one is pretty easy. That happens because we've got a lot of fans, and because our QB is one of the most unfairly criticized players in the league. The topic comes up a lot.

 

[Sarge]

That was an excellent "rant", Sarge.

 

[Califan007]

And I have seen football announcers do that for over 40 years while the game is being broadcast.

Still not following you lol...

Nobody said otherwise. What I said was that I've seen CZ members dissecting Romo's INTs on game day threads without needing ESPN to do or say anything first.