Romo with more 4th quarter comebacks than Aikman and Staubach?

[Califan007]

Well, that one is pretty easy. That happens because we've got a lot of fans, and because our QB is one of the most unfairly criticized players in the league. The topic comes up a lot.

I think a far larger percentage of the Cowboys fan base (at least online--well, on here lol) dedicate time and effort to that dissection than other fan bases, so it's not just the raw number of fans. And I think your QB is criticized plenty by Cowboys fans, both fairly and unfairly, to cause fans here to want to start making cases/posts/threads about how Romo is not "really" to blame for many of his mistakes.

From an outsider's perspective, it starts to look like "Ladies and gentlemen, year 7 of 'It's Not Romo's Fault'.."

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't remember saying it was lol...although I will say that, of the few message boards of NFL teams I've visited, I've yet to see any of them put in the same amount of effort and importance in what the QB is blamed for and what he is not...especially INTs. Seriously, haven't seen any other fan base dissect damn near every INT thrown to determine who "really" is responsible for the turnover. I'd be comfortable saying the Cowboys fan base has cornered that market lol ...

Not really. I frequent Extreme and have for many years now. Prior to RGIII, in the years when you had Mark Brunell, there was a lot of the same kinds of things going on. It's no different here now IMO.

 

[Califan007]

Not really. I frequent Extreme and have for many years now. Prior to RGIII, in the years when you had Mark Brunell, there was a lot of the same kinds of things going on. It's no different here now IMO.

Please. EVERYONE there hated Brunell lol...the running joke was to respond to everything with "I blame Brunell". He had one of the worst QB seasons in NFL history when he first arrived. It was so bad that we yelled for Patrick Ramsey to take over and half the board used Brunell's performance as a serious knock against Joe Gibbs, who we had been calling "Saint Joe". It was baaaad. I guarantee you we weren't worrying about who was "really" to blame for Brunell's INTs.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Please. EVERYONE there hated Brunell lol...the running joke was to respond to everything with "I blame Brunell". He had one of the worst QB seasons in NFL history when he first arrived. It was so bad that we yelled for Patrick Ramsey to take over and half the board used Brunell's performance as a serious knock against Joe Gibbs, who we had been calling "Saint Joe". It was baaaad. I guarantee you we weren't worrying about who was "really" to blame for Brunell's INTs.

Well, that's fine but the point is that the behavior was still the same. Regardless of if the fan base was doing it to try and protect Burnell or condemn him, the same behavior still went on. It's not unique to just this board. San Diego Boards are the same with Rivers.

 

[Califan007]

Well, that's fine but the point is that the behavior was still the same. Regardless of if the fan base was doing it to try and protect Burnell or condemn him, the same behavior still went on. It's not unique to just this board. San Diego Boards are the same with Rivers.

The behavior I was talking about, though, was the intense dissection of a player's mistakes in order to determine if that player should really be held accountable for them. I have yet to see it done by other fan bases on other message boards to the same degree that I see it done here. But as I said earlier, I'm not claiming that I've visited all fan message boards and did some sort of study lol...just casual observation. It might be done by every fan base, but in my opinion it's done far more often and more regularly here than most. I think that, when Romo threw 9 INTs nobody really cared enough to try and assign blame for them "properly"...and most QBs who throw a ton of INTs aren't usually good enough to warrant any investment in trying to minimize that number--the fans will just give the blame to the QB because he sucks anyway lol. Romo obviously doesn't suck.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The behavior I was talking about, though, was the intense dissection of a player's mistakes in order to determine if that player should really be held accountable for them. I have yet to see it done by other fan bases on other message boards to the same degree that I see it done here. But as I said earlier, I'm not claiming that I've visited all fan message boards and did some sort of study lol...just casual observation. It might be done by every fan base, but in my opinion it's done far more often and more regularly here than most. I think that, when Romo threw 9 INTs nobody really cared enough to try and assign blame for them "properly"...and most QBs who throw a ton of INTs aren't usually good enough to warrant any investment in trying to minimize that number--the fans will just give the blame to the QB because he sucks anyway lol. Romo obviously doesn't suck.

As am I. The level of critic is not different here then on other boards for certain players. What you use that information for might be different but the level of attention that is received is not different IMO.

 

[Califan007]

As am I. The level of critic is not different here then on other boards for certain players. What you use that information for might be different but the level of attention that is received is not different IMO.

I guess I see it as a level of analysis, not a level of critique. And the analysis is born from a need to protect/defend the player.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I guess I see it as a level of analysis, not a level of critique. And the analysis is born from a need to protect/defend the player.

Once the shinny wears off of RG, the same will start on Commanders boards. Mark my words, if RG gets hurt again this year, that kind of analysis and critic is going to sound like a freight train passing by at 250 MPR.

 

[Califan007]

Once the shinny wears off of RG, the same will start on Commanders boards. Mark my words, if RG gets hurt again this year, that kind of analysis and critic is going to sound like a freight train passing by at 250 MPR.

That's already happened lol...after the Seattle game TONS of "analysis and critique" occurred on the Skins board, and just as much (if not more) in the press.

But it wasn't the same type as what is associated with Romo's INTs. If it were, then we would have had numerous threads talking about how the center is "really" to blame for RG3's injuries (his bad snaps caused RG3 to have to scramble around quickly for the ball, causing his knee to take awkward bends, and both times he ended up having to be helped off the field). The closest we came was a little discussion given to field conditions "really" being to blame. 99% of the blame never went beyond RG3 or Shanahan.

 

[Califan007]

By the way, I don't want to derail the thread (believe it or not lol)...I think giving Romo credit for the 4th quarter comeback wins/drives is fine. I think giving him credit/blame for the "elimination games" record is fine. I don't have any problem with comments like "the QB is 2-3 in the playoffs" or "the QB has 15 come from behind wins in the 4th quarter".

But to me, those are like a movie plot synopsis...gives you the basic overall story, but doesn't tell you what actually happens in the movie. You still gotta watch the movie (or go to a spoilers website lol).

 

[Hostile]

Still not following you lol...

Nobody said otherwise. What I said was that I've seen CZ members dissecting Romo's INTs on game day threads without needing ESPN to do or say anything first.

Yes, and announcers do it during the games as well. "That's not on the QB, but it'll go down as an INT."

Heard it hundreds of times in my life. Don't understand why you don't think Cowboys fans should talk about the same things the announcers are.

 

[Califan007]

Yes, and announcers do it during the games as well. "That's not on the QB, but it'll go down as an INT."

Heard it hundreds of times in my life. Don't understand why you don't think Cowboys fans should talk about the same things the announcers are.

Ok, we're going in circles here lol...

You indicated that the only reason fans here dissect Romo's INTs is because it's really ESPN who has "cornered the market" on dissecting Romo's INTs and that the fans are merely responding to their "rubbish".

I pointed out that fans here have dissected Romo's INTs immediately during games and without needing to hear ESPN's "rubbish" first.

I never said fans shouldn't discuss or analyze a player's mistakes. I never said that other fan bases don't do it. And I certainly never said that announcers during the game never did it.

I did, though, say I felt a larger percentage of Dallas fans (at least on this board) do so than on other NFL message boards I've perused.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's already happened lol...after the Seattle game TONS of "analysis and critique" occurred on the Skins board, and just as much (if not more) in the press.

But it wasn't the same type as what is associated with Romo's INTs. If it were, then we would have had numerous threads talking about how the center is "really" to blame for RG3's injuries (his bad snaps caused RG3 to have to scramble around quickly for the ball, causing his knee to take awkward bends, and both times he ended up having to be helped off the field). The closest we came was a little discussion given to field conditions "really" being to blame. 99% of the blame never went beyond RG3 or Shanahan.

It will be once the discussion becomes more about his ability to stay on the field and less about his youth etc. That discussion will pick up steam and the analysis will grow more detailed around those kinds of subjects. They may not be INTs specifically but they will be there and it will be just like here.

It's inevitable.

 

[Califan007]

It will be once the discussion becomes more about his ability to stay on the field and less about his youth etc. That discussion will pick up steam and the analysis will grow more detailed around those kinds of subjects. They may not be INTs specifically but they will be there and it will be just like here.

It's inevitable.

But if that happens, do you think a large percentage of Skins fans will be placing blame on numerous other people rather than Griffin himself?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But if that happens, do you think a large percentage of Skins fans will be placing blame on numerous other people rather than Griffin himself?

Yes. I think that there will be those who say that it's OL and there are those who will say that Griffin needs more help from the skilled players etc. It will happen.

 

[Idgit]

I think a far larger percentage of the Cowboys fan base (at least online--well, on here lol) dedicate time and effort to that dissection than other fan bases, so it's not just the raw number of fans. And I think your QB is criticized plenty by Cowboys fans, both fairly and unfairly, to cause fans here to want to start making cases/posts/threads about how Romo is not "really" to blame for many of his mistakes.

From an outsider's perspective, it starts to look like "Ladies and gentlemen, year 7 of 'It's Not Romo's Fault'.."

Well, you're an outsider, but hardly an unbiased one. It is year 7 of It's Not Romo's Fault, but only because we're also on year seven of Of Course It's All Romo's Fault.

 

[ghst187]

Just read an article today that stated that Romo has 18 4th quarter comebacks. That didn't seem like a whole lot until I read that Aikman had 16 and "Captain Comeback" had only 15. That tells me more than anything that we have a great qb at the helm and could really use some help from the D. I can't remember the last time where we truly dominated an entire game, but I do remember all the times I'd see Romo put us back in the lead and either win or watch from the sidelines as the D gave up a game winning touchdown. I have and always will be a fan of Romo simply because I'm a fan of football and he is a football player. If the D stays healthy and players like Austin and Murray can stay healthy I believe the sky is the limit for us this year. What do you guys think?

During Aikman's time, they almost ALWAYS scored on the opening drive and just weren't behind all that much. Not surprising that Aikman wouldn't have too many 4th quarter comebacks. Romo's had far inferior teams to play with and been forced to bring us back all the time, especially given several years of his tenure with some seriously leaky defenses.
With Aikman's OL and Emmit Smith grinding it out, Romo wouldn't have to play catchup all the time either haha.
That said, even if Romo won the next three superbowls I don't think i could honestly say he's better than Aikman was. Aikman is easily up there amongst the all time top 10 greats IMO. I love Romo but he's got a LONG way to go to sniff that list....starting with a first and second ring just to even warrant a conversation.

 

[Rockport]

Well, you're an outsider, but hardly an unbiased one. It is year 7 of It's Not Romo's Fault, but only because we're also on year seven of Of Course It's All Romo's Fault.

We're also on year 7 of not having a good defense or a good offensive line.

 

[Hostile]

Ok, we're going in circles here lol...

You indicated that the only reason fans here dissect Romo's INTs is because it's really ESPN who has "cornered the market" on dissecting Romo's INTs and that the fans are merely responding to their "rubbish".

I pointed out that fans here have dissected Romo's INTs immediately during games and without needing to hear ESPN's "rubbish" first.

I never said fans shouldn't discuss or analyze a player's mistakes. I never said that other fan bases don't do it. And I certainly never said that announcers during the game never did it.

I did, though, say I felt a larger percentage of Dallas fans (at least on this board) do so than on other NFL message boards I've perused.

If we're going in circles it is entirely because you are all over the place. The ONLY point I have made is that Romo is no different than any other QB. You started off with some nonsense about who gets credit for wins and losses. Then jumped from there to why Cowboys fans discuss their favorite team's players. Then you are talking about breaking down INTs and whose fault they are.

In response to your journey all over the map I have merely pointed out that RG3 has been credited with 3 comeback wins and 2 of them were down the stretch of the season with one against the Super Bowl Champions. I further mentioned that all QBs get credited with wins and losses, and that talking about any stat is no big crime on a fan forum. The comment about ESPN was merely an example of how interested they seem to be in Tony Romo. Taking it beyond that is rather silly of you, but I let it go for the most part. From there you've indicted Cowboys fans for dissecting who is at fault for INTs. I am merely pointing out that just like crediting wins and losses to QBs that forever football announcers have mentioned INTs are not "on the QB."

So what exactly are you upset with Cowboys fans about? That we enjoy having a QB who has some comeback wins? That we have a QB who gets discussed a lot? That we discuss who is mostly at fault for INTs? No matter what it is that put your undies in a twist here it happens all across the NFL:. QBs do indeed get credit for wins, losses, and yes, comeback wins. QBs get discussed a lot, especially on their own fan forums. INTs are indeed dissected as to whom is more at fault and this has gone on for decades. If a QB puts the ball right where it is supposed to be and the WR volleyballs it and you want to still blame the QB then by all means go ahead.

I really don't see what your overall objection to Cowboys fans discussing their team and QB is, but maybe that's just me since I don't go on Commanders forums and analyze their commentary about their QB. Perhaps this is nothing more than how I would act in your house and how I perceive you are acting in ours.

 

[Califan007]

Yes. I think that there will be those who say that it's OL and there are those who will say that Griffin needs more help from the skilled players etc. It will happen.

Hmm..well, it's not happening so far. The overwhelming majority of Skins fans whose posts I've been reading all say RG3 needs to learn how to slide earlier and more often, needs to throw the ball away more, needs to understand that he doesn't need to get every inch on every run, etc. The only ones who aren't saying that are saying Shanahan needs to reel him in, not use designed runs and/or scrap the read option altogether.