Romo's Play

[TNCowboy]

Unbridled homersim - ok. I was saying "comon Romo" in that game a few times myself. .

That's what I'm getting at. It's not all Barron, the OL, the kicker, Roy Williams, the safeties, etc.

Romo is part of what's gone wrong. Fact is, because of a handful mistake-prone idiots, Romo is going to have to play better than good most games in order for us to win. Especially against good teams. Great QBs have to shoulder that load sometimes. As I said before, I think Romo will turn it around and have a good season, but I think it grossly exaggerates his play in the first 2 games to say he's been playing well.

 

[Doomsday101]

If this were the case, I would be more willing to accept this but that was not the case with Chicago. I believe we only had two rushing plays that resulted in -4 yards, both by Jones. One was a delay where we didn't block Urlacher (not really Jone's fault) and the other was an off tackle play where Briggs shot the gap and killed the play before Jones could reach the corner. Think about this though. Jones only had 7 carries for 7 yards. He lost 8 yards on those two plays so at some point, he had to have had some success in order to get back to 7 yards on 7 carries. I'm not going to try and sit here and say we were doing great in the running game but I don't think it was nearly as bad as is made out to be. In fact, there was a series where we had excellent succes with the running game. It was the only series that I thought we actually focused on the run to start with. Early in the game, we started a series with the running game and really had pretty good success. Barber up the middle for 7 yards, Barber again up the middle for 7 yards, Barber off right tackle for 8 yards, Jones over left end for 4 yards. The next play was Jones off right end for -4. That drive started at our 25 and up to this point, was at the Dallas 45 when we managed to get a holding call and 3 straight pass plays, all incomplete. The only other point in the game where we actually ran the ball in succession (like this) was on the series we scored a TD to Gronk. Those were mostly short yardage plays but all positive.

Even if you look past this game to the Skinz game, we really did have very good success in the running game. We ran the ball 22 times for a 4.7 average. Skinz never really stopped us in the run game and still, we went away from it. To start the 4th quarter of the Skinz game, score 10-7 Skinz, we opened up the first drive of that quarter with the following: 14.21 in the 4th from the Dallas 18. Jones off left end for 11. Jones wide to the left for 5. Jones off right end for 3. Choice up the middle for 8. Shotgun, Pass to Miles, Holding on Bennett. Romo short to Williams for 1 yard, Romo incomplete to Witten. Romo to Witten, Barron Holding. False start Free. Romo to Witten for 14. Short of 1st and a Punt. After that series, there was only one other run play in the game. That was a 3rd and short to Choice for 8 yards. Down by 3 points in the 4th quarter, running the ball exceptionally well and we just abandon the run. We run 20 more plays, with just one more run for 8 yards and a first down and 19 pass plays.

It's not just Chicago. We just seem to abandon the run, even when it's working well for us. That's not smart football to me.

I disagree. I don't see efficient running taking place and I don't think you keep trying to run when you do have the weapons in the passing game. I'm all for mixing in run but this OL is not showing itself as a big run line we had 19 carries for 37 yards and choice had 1 carry -1 yard our best back was Barber who did get some yards at the get go but the Bears adjusted and shut that down. I clearly do not believe in trying to force a running game when it is not there.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Guys, I seriously think Romo just has to play solid for us to win. I don't think he has to play out of this world. Maybe I am over estimating the strength of our Defense but honestly, we have excellent kickers. We can play good defense. If we just use our kicking game, cut out the stupid mistakes, take care of the ball and let our defense stop the opposing offense, we can win the field position battle. Eventually, it will translate into points and we can win a lot of games. We don't need Romo to be the end all, be all. We just need him to play smart.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I disagree. I don't see efficient running taking place and I don't think you keep trying to run when you do have the weapons in the passing game. I'm all for mixing in run but this OL is not showing itself as a big run line we had 19 carries for 37 yards and choice had 1 carry -1 yard our best back was Barber who did get some yards at the get go but the Bears adjusted and shut that down. I clearly do not believe in trying to force a running game when it is not there.

OK. So, what happened in Washington?

 

[SDCowboy]

Guys, I seriously think Romo just has to play solid for us to win. I don't think he has to play out of this world. Maybe I am over estimating the strength of our Defense but honestly, we have excellent kickers. We can play good defense. If we just use our kicking game, cut out the stupid mistakes, take care of the ball and let our defense stop the opposing offense, we can win the field position battle. Eventually, it will translate into points and we can win a lot of games. We don't need Romo to be the end all, be all. We just need him to play smart.

Romo's played great so far though. If it wasn't for the two freak INTs, Miles other drop, and a Roy fumble, all just errors, this is a totally different ball game.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Romo's played great so far though. If it wasn't for the two freak INTs, Miles other drop, and a Roy fumble, all just errors, this is a totally different ball game.

Romo has an 83.6 passer rating. I don't think he's played great. I think he's played OK. The INTs, were not flukes. They were the result of the passes Romo made. It's everybody but Romo I guess.

 

[theogt]

Romo has an 83.6 passer rating. I don't think he's played great. I think he's played OK. The INTs, were not flukes. They were the result of the passes Romo made. It's everybody but Romo I guess.

Does it at least make you stop and wonder if there's something wrong with your position when no one else agrees with you?

 

[SDCowboy]

Romo has an 83.6 passer rating. I don't think he's played great. I think he's played OK. The INTs, were not flukes. They were the result of the passes Romo made. It's everybody but Romo I guess.

A ball that's dropped and falls into a defenders hands and another ball that bounced off Wittens hand, yes, is a fluke. It's bad luck. And I never said it was everyone but Romo. I already told you three times now I don't blame Miles or Witten for the INTs.

 

[Doomsday101]

OK. So, what happened in Washington?

we made too many mistake the run/pass ratio was not far off until we got late into the 3rd qrt and were still 10 points down. I'm not saying we can't do a better job of mixing in the run but I don't see us by and large as a team who is going to pound the ball all day long. I think we are a team who will pass the ball more and use draw and sweeps to keep the defense off balance but part of that in the case of the skins game is not having 12 penalties when you have too many negitive yards you put yourself in position of having to pass.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Does it at least make you stop and wonder if there's something wrong with your position when no one else agrees with you?

No. First of all, there is no emperical proof that everybody either agrees or disagrees with me. Secondly, a person can be the only one who stands up and says a thing but that doesn't mean he's wrong. Lastly, this is less about Romo then it is about the offensive game plan.

There is nothing wrong with my position Theo.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

A ball that's dropped and falls into a defenders hands and another ball that bounced off Wittens hand, yes, is a fluke. It's bad luck. And I never said it was everyone but Romo. I already told you three times now I don't blame Miles or Witten for the INTs.

I don't agree.

 

[theogt]

There is nothing wrong with my position Theo.

Other than being completely incorrect, no.

 

[theogt]

I don't agree.

No offense, but this has to be the dumbest position I've ever seen on this board.

If a pass hits a player in the hands, is clearly catchable, and gets tipped to a defender, it is no way shape or form on the QB.

Words cannot explain how dumb this argument is. We are all now worse off for participating in this ridiculous discussion.

 

[SDCowboy]

I don't agree.

Dude, if Romo can't throw a higher ball to Austin without him fumbling the ball, Miles shouldn't even be on the field, much less have his new contract. That's a throw Miles is expected to bring in and he did until he got hit. I'm sure Miles and everyone else on that team will tell you it was on him. It's his job to catch the ball and hold onto it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

we made too many mistake the run/pass ratio was not far off until we got late into the 3rd qrt and were still 10 points down. I'm not saying we can't do a better job of mixing in the run but I don't see us by and large as a team who is going to pound the ball all day long. I think we are a team who will pass the ball more and use draw and sweeps to keep the defense off balance but part of that in the case of the skins game is not having 12 penalties when you have too many negitive yards you put yourself in position of having to pass.

But we were not in a negative position in the 4th quarter, down by 3 and having success in the Running Game. We got down further and committed more penalties by going to the passing game. We could have closed that team out with the running game easily. You can say that we will never be a pound it out team and that's fine. I would probably agree with that but, we had better be able to close out games. That will take running the ball late and we can't do that if we don't ever try to.

This doesn't happen very often but I don't agree with you Dooms. I think you have to run the ball, regardless of how effective you are. It keeps the defense balanced. I can understand going to the pass if your way behind in a game and the only possible chance is to throw on every down but that has not been the case in either of these games.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No offense, but this has to be the dumbest position I've ever seen on this board.

If a pass hits a player in the hands, is clearly catchable, and gets tipped to a defender, it is no way shape or form on the QB.

Words cannot explain how dumb this argument is. We are all now worse off for participating in this ridiculous discussion.

Pick your play and lets discuss it. However, if you would rather not do this, and you feel as if you are worse off for having participated, then by all means, see yourself out. I will not be offended.

 

[Doomsday101]

But we were not in a negative position in the 4th quarter, down by 3 and having success in the Running Game. We got down further and committed more penalties by going to the passing game. We could have closed that team out with the running game easily. You can say that we will never be a pound it out team and that's fine. I would probably agree with that but, we had better be able to close out games. That will take running the ball late and we can't do that if we don't ever try to.

This doesn't happen very often but I don't agree with you Dooms. I think you have to run the ball, regardless of how effective you are. It keeps the defense balanced. I can understand going to the pass if your way behind in a game and the only possible chance is to throw on every down but that has not been the case in either of these games.

Right and had we not missed the FG that drive ties the game up but given the time taken off the clock only to come away with 0 points changed things and by the time we did get the ball back we had to get things going. If you recall we marched down the field pretty quickly using the pass and put ourselves in a position to win the game the holding did us in which I guess is a fitting way to lose given the penalties we took throughout the game.

I don't think we disagree as much as you think on running the ball but I don't see us right now as a dominate run team who is just going to ram it down peoples throat I do think we can run the ball more but in certain games but I think it is pretty much will be in the form of draws and sweeps.

PS I do want to let you know I do respect your views we just seem to differ a bit on this one.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Dude, if Romo can't throw a higher ball to Austin without him fumbling the ball, Miles shouldn't even be on the field, much less have his new contract. That's a throw Miles is expected to bring in and he did until he got hit. I'm sure Miles and everyone else on that team will tell you it was on him. It's his job to catch the ball and hold onto it.

That's the problem right? When you throw a ball into the middle of the field, high, your going to get drilled. That's why you don't do it if you can avoid it. It was not a good throw. I don't care how much you say it was.

Lets cut to the chase here. Was it a good throw? Tillman hit Austin right under the chin on that play. You can say that he should have caught it but even Irvin said that Miles did everything he could to catch that ball. Also, if you watch that replay, Romo has Witten about two yards shorter and to the middle of the field wide open, uncovered.

Was the throw to Witten a good throw? That ball was high on the shoulder pad and behind him. Was that a good throw?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Right and had we not missed the FG that drive ties the game up but given the time taken off the clock only to come away with 0 points changed things and by the time we did get the ball back we had to get things going. If you recall we marched down the field pretty quickly using the pass and put ourselves in a position to win the game the holding did us in which I guess is a fitting way to lose given the penalties we took throughout the game.

I don't think we disagree as much as you think on running the ball but I don't see us right now as a dominate run team who is just going to ram it down peoples throat I do think we can run the ball more but in certain games but I think it is pretty much will be in the form of draws and sweeps.

PS I do want to let you know I do respect your views we just seem to differ a bit on this one.

We usually don't disagree on much Dooms and the feeling is mutual by me. I just really don't think we are playing the right style of football.

Look at the game and I think you will come away with the same observation. We went away from the run, at a time when we could have used it to close out the game. If you don't, then that's OK but that's how I see it Dooms.

 

[Doomsday101]

We usually don't disagree on much Dooms and the feeling is mutual by me. I just really don't think we are playing the right style of football.

Look at the game and I think you will come away with the same observation. We went away from the run, at a time when we could have used it to close out the game. If you don't, then that's OK but that's how I see it Dooms.

Considering we have not had a 4th qrt lead this year let alone a halftime lead in either game I'm not sure running the clock down is something we want to do. I want to run the ball especially when we get around the redzone in the Bears game we did that and then play actioned and hit Gronk for the easy TD I would like to see more of that but I don't see us at this point and time as a team who is just going to pound out drives running the ball alot. I still want to see a mixture of run when moving from the 20 to the 20 but a big part of our offense is going to take place in the passing game