Romo's Play

[ABQCOWBOY]

You mean the pass that nearly hit Witten in the face?

Yes. And I get that you don't and I get that you don't have a clue what you're looking at, what the route was, what the coverage was, and why it was thrown the way it was. Trust me, I get that you don't know.

That's enough. If you think they were good passed, fine. I don't. Obviously the guys doing the color didn't. I'm OK with that.

You don't agree with me, I don't agree with you. Lets not let it get out of hand here.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think the ball just got there a spilt second before Witten was ready for it. Yes it was a bit behind him but that is a catch Witten will make.

I think it's accurate to say that it is a catch Witten is capable of making. I don't think it's accurate to say it was a good throw. If the ball is lead, it's an easy catch for Witten. As it was, I think it was a tough ball to catch. It was on him right as he came out of his break. It was high and behind him. I can not fault Witten for not catching that ball.

 

[theogt]

That's enough. If you think they were good passed, fine. I don't. Obviously the guys doing the color didn't. I'm OK with that.

You don't agree with me, I don't agree with you. Lets not let it get out of hand here.

You wanted to discuss.

Your discussion was "Do you agree with me? No? Okay, discussion over."

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Whatever, I'm not going to argue about it anymore. If miles doesn't need to hold onto the ball and it bouncing of a receivers hand are Romo's fault to you then whatever.

No, I agree with you on the case of needing to catch the ball. A WR needs to catch any ball he can get his hands on but that doesn't mean that it's a good throw.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think it's accurate to say that it is a catch Witten is capable of making. I don't think it's accurate to say it was a good throw. If the ball is lead, it's an easy catch for Witten. As it was, I think it was a tough ball to catch. It was on him right as he came out of his break. It was high and behind him. I can not fault Witten for not catching that ball.

Romo was not going to put it out front with the CB playing in the zone. On the play the LB is behind Witten and the CB is playing the short zone and Romo was not going to put it out front. I think the ball got on Witten before he was ready

 

[aikemirv]

No, I agree with you on the case of needing to catch the ball. A WR needs to catch any ball he can get his hands on but that doesn't mean that it's a good throw.

I can see your point with Witten, but Miles, comon man, the ball hit him in the hands and he dropped it upon getting hit. It was a good pass in tight coverage in the middle of the field. That is where good Wr's make there money. That is why Jerry pays him 18 million guaranteed. I don't expect him to hold onto everything nor do I expect every pass Tony throws to be a perfect anticipation of where the WR/TE is going!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You wanted to discuss.

Your discussion was "Do you agree with me? No? Okay, discussion over."

I'll try to line out for you. You think it was a good throw why?

I think it was a bad throw because it was high, it left the WR exposed and it resulted in a turnover. The ball, if thrown on target is probably a first down. Lastly, he has Witten completely open, a much easier throw. This is why I don't believe it is a good throw.

You don't agree. OK, fine. You don't agree. However, I'm not going to allow you to get ridiculous over this. I said why I don't agree. You want to make this personal. It can only end badly. No point in that.

 

[theogt]

I'll try to line out for you. You think it was a good throw why?

I think it was a bad throw because it was high, it left the WR exposed and it resulted in a turnover. The ball, if thrown on target is probably a first down. Lastly, he has Witten completely open, a much easier throw. This is why I don't believe it is a good throw.

You don't agree. OK, fine. You don't agree. However, I'm not going to allow you to get ridiculous over this. I said why I don't agree. You want to make this personal. It can only end badly. No point in that.

I explained to you why it was a good throw. I explained the coverage, I explained the route, I explained where Tony had to throw it, and I showed you pictures illustrating where the defenders were and why Tony had to throw it the way he did. The pictures also show Miles making a clean catch.

Your response? He got hit after he caught the ball. LOL!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I can see your point with Witten, but Miles, comon man, the ball hit him in the hands and he dropped it upon getting hit. It was a good pass in tight coverage in the middle of the field. That is where good Wr's make there money. That is why Jerry pays him 18 million guaranteed. I don't expect him to hold onto everything nor do I expect every pass Tony throws to be a perfect anticipation of where the WR/TE is going!

If the ball is thrown accurately, he doesn't have to expose his body. It's a much easier catch. Honestly, if you get hit in the mouth, you may or may not catch that ball. If you throw it accurately, and the coverage was not all that tight as shown by Theo's stills, it's an easy catch.

There was no need to throw that ball high.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I explained to you why it was a good throw. I explained the coverage, I explained the route, I explained where Tony had to throw it, and I showed you pictures illustrating where the defenders were and showing that Miles made a clean catch.

Your response? He got hit after he caught the ball. LOL!

Look at the pictures. Why did the ball have to be thrown high? Post a still shot of the hit.

 

[Doomsday]

I thought the ball that was intended for Witten that got picked was on target for the most part. To me the issue was he threw it too soon. If he releases it a 1/2 second later Witten would of had time to get turned around and get both hands on it.

 

[ZeroClub]

IMO, the offense is not in synch and Garrett is primarily at fault.

He's got the offense doing too many things with too many different players (who rotate in and out of the lineup too often) out of too many formations.

No wonder there is a rhythm problem. And it is reflected in the performances of many of the players. Even #9 in some cases.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Romo was not going to put it out front with the CB playing in the zone. On the play the LB is behind Witten and the CB is playing the short zone and Romo was not going to put it out front. I think the ball got on Witten before he was ready

If the only place you can throw that ball is on his back shoulder and high, which would be a tough catch for anybody, while moving away from the ball, why throw that route? Hey has Bennett on the the fly pattern and it's a much easier throw. If the throw your going to make to Witten can only be thrown high and on his back shoulder, then why throw it if you have an open guy and an easier throw? Watch the replay.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I thought the ball that was intended for Witten that got picked was on target for the most part. To me the issue was he threw it too soon. If he releases it a 1/2 second later Witten would of had time to get turned around and get both hands on it.

I would probably agree with this a bit more.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

IMO, the offense is not in synch and Garrett is primarily at fault.

He's got the offense doing too many things with too many different players (who rotate in and out of the lineup too often) out of too many formations.

No wonder there is a rhythm problem. And it is reflected in the performances of many of the players. Even #9 in some cases.

I agree. It does look, to me, as if they are having a very hard time getting a rhythm.

 

[theogt]

Why did the ball have to be thrown high?

I've explained this. It's Cover 2. That means 2 deep safeties and 5 defenders underneath either in man or zone coverage. Here they're in zone coverage. Miles' route is designed to put him just past the underneath coverage. The X's are the defenders in their Cover 2 position, and "0" is Miles' route. There's a defender under and inside Miles. Romo must throw the ball over the defender and between the two defenders on the outside -- this is the soft spot in the zone defense. The ball must be thrown high and outside.

.........X............X

...0

X.....X.......X.........X.....X

Romo throws it high and outside. Great ball placement. Miles makes the catch. A defender makes a great hit and jars the ball loose. It's friggin' football. That happens.

Post a still shot of the hit.

Yes, I'll post a still showing that Miles catches the ball, has two feet on the ground, then gets hit.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I've explained this. It's Cover 2. That means 2 deep safeties and 5 defenders underneath either in man or zone coverage. Here they're in zone coverage. Miles' route is designed to put him just past the underneath coverage. The X's are the defenders in their Cover 2 position, and "0" is Miles' route. There's a defender under and inside Miles. Romo must throw the ball over the defender and between the two defenders on the outside. The ball must be thrown high and outside.

.........X............X

...0

X.....X.......X.........X.....X

Yes, I'll post a still showing that Miles catches the ball, has two feet on the ground, then gets hit.

I know what a cover 2 is. Austin does not have both feet on the ground when the hit occurs. He may not even have one foot on the ground. Lastly, if the only way to complete this is to throw a medicine ball, why not just go to Witten, who is wide open in the center of the field, a much easier, low risk play?

 

[craig71]

If the only place you can throw that ball is on his back shoulder and high, which would be a tough catch for anybody, while moving away from the ball, why throw that route? Hey has Bennett on the the fly pattern and it's a much easier throw. If the throw your going to make to Witten can only be thrown high and on his back shoulder, then why throw it if you have an open guy and an easier throw? Watch the replay.

Using your description of the play. I would say that Romo is getting "happy feet" because he's feeling pressure to get rid of the ball. The question is, is there really pressure coming or is he just manufacturing the pressure in his head? Maybe that is causing his mechanics to suffer as well as causing a timing issue with his receivers. If he felt pressure on the play, why did he go to Witten? Was Witten his first, second or third read? Did he see Bennett? If he did see Bennett, why didn't he take that option? Does he not trust Bennett to make the catch? Or is Romo simply locking onto a target in that situation regardless of the coverage? Just a few thoughts, I know there are others. I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that they need to figure it out ASAP.

Craig

 

[wileedog]

If the only place you can throw that ball is on his back shoulder and high, which would be a tough catch for anybody, while moving away from the ball, why throw that route? Hey has Bennett on the the fly pattern and it's a much easier throw. If the throw your going to make to Witten can only be thrown high and on his back shoulder, then why throw it if you have an open guy and an easier throw? Watch the replay.

Because clearly Romo has the time to do a risk/reward analysis complete with graphs and powerpoints to determine whether throwing a ball 6 inches too high to an open Miles Austin who excels at going up and coming down with passes is 1.64% more efficient and 2.12% less risky then turning away from a clearly open WR to find out if your 2nd string TE has managed to get open yet.

Look, 99% of the time Austin comes down with that ball and we aren't having this conversation. If you are going to expect every Romo to put everything within 6 inches of the 'optimal' target for every pass you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

And that goes for just about any QB you are going to watch.

 

[Cas2800]

Using your description of the play. I would say that Romo is getting "happy feet" because he's feeling pressure to get rid of the ball. The question is, is there really pressure coming or is he just manufacturing the pressure in his head? Maybe that is causing his mechanics to suffer as well as causing a timing issue with his receivers. If he felt pressure on the play, why did he go to Witten? Was Witten his first, second or third read? Did he see Bennett? If he did see Bennett, why didn't he take that option? Does he not trust Bennett to make the catch? Or is Romo simply locking onto a target in that situation regardless of the coverage? Just a few thoughts, I know there are others. I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that they need to figure it out ASAP.

Craig

This is the point i made yesterday. Romo is feeling pressure that is not there. This is making his throws a little off and rushed. In this play i believe it was someone was open behind his original target that idf he would have taken another second he would have seen that reciever wide open.

Just because people are saying Romo does not look comfortable and is hurrying his throws does not mean they are bashing him.

Did Romo have reason to worry in the Washington game? YES

Was he under the same pressure in the Chicago game? NO

He needs to settle down a little is that too hard for some of you?