Rookie Preseason Passing Brilliance (Revisited)

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This first part is an update of a post I made a couple of weeks ago on the highest preseason passer ratings of rookie QB in the last 10 years. Minimum 40 attempts and a preseason rating of 95. The QB's rating in real games (if any) is at the end. Adding in 2016 performances, the only new names are those of Prescott and the Lions' Jake Rudock.

137.8 Dak Prescott 4th Dal 16 --
129.6 Brett Hundley 5th GB 15 --
122.6 Brett Ratliff FA NYJ 07 --
111.2 Teddy Bridgewater 1st Min 14 87.0
110.3 Russell Wilson 3rd Sea 12 101.8
110.1 Nick Foles 3rd Phi 12 87.3
110.0 Blake Bortles 1st Jac 14 80.0
109.9 Colt Brennan 6th Was 08 --
108.3 Jay Cutler 1st Den 06 86.0
108.2 Derek Carr 2nd Oak 14 83.7
106.6 Jeff Tuel FA Buf 13 45.1
105.3 Bruce Gradkowski 6th TB 06 65.8
100.2 Matt Flynn 7th GB 08 85.7
99.9 Trent Edwards 3rd Buf 07 75.5
99.0 Jimmy Garoppolo 2nd NE 14 91.9
97.6 Zach Mettenberger 6th Ten 14 75.4
96.3 Jake Rudock 6th Det 16 --
96.5 Brady Quinn 1st Cle 07 64.4
95.9 Sam Bradford 1st StL 10 81.0
95.5 Matt Leinart 1st Ari 06 70.2

I didn't expect at the time of my previous post that Romo would go down in the next game, meaning that Dak would only play 3 games. Eliminating preseason game 4 gives us a smaller, but actually a better sample to draw from. I took these same 20 QB and compared their performances in games 1-3 only, removing any players with fewer than 40 total attempts (Dak had 50), any who had more than 20 attempts in the first game (Dak had 12), any who did not have at least 10 attempts with a rating of 85 in the third game (Dak had a 23 attempts with a 99 rating), and any who had more than two-thirds of his attempts in just one game.

137.8 Dak Prescott 39 of 50 454 yd 5 td 0 int
119.4 Russell Wilson 35 of 52 464 yd 5 td 1 int
112.2 Nick Foles 36 of 57 507 yd 6 td 2 in
99.5 Blake Bortles 28 of 46 435 yd 1 td 0 int
84.6 Sam Bradford 27 of 49 270 yd 2 td 0 int

What does it mean? Maybe nothing. Small samples and exhibition games can be very misleading, and this is a combination of both.

Amazing preseason performance though. No other can match its consistency.
 

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Wow, it's almost a mirror image of Russell Wilson's when you consider that Dak actually threw the one pick and had it reversed on a late hit penalty.
It's hard not to draw the comparison, especially after filtering out the performances of other players who were less consistent, or who didn't have as many attempts against starting defenses.
 

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People can say what they want, Daks preseason performance isn't about the stats, it is how poised and confident he looked doing it. I think his upside is a better Russel Wilson. I believe we will get good enough QB play from him immediately to win games with his supporting cast and I think the best part is his arrow is not just pointing up it is pointed up in a steep incline.
 

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If I had the OP to do over again, I'd leave out the first part, which looks at all 4 games and does not consider quality of defenses faced. It's the second, filtered, list that's impressive. Even if it was preseason.

137.8 Dak Prescott 39 of 50 454 yd 5 td 0 int
119.4 Russell Wilson 35 of 52 464 yd 5 td 1 int
112.2 Nick Foles 36 of 57 507 yd 6 td 2 in
99.5 Blake Bortles 28 of 46 435 yd 1 td 0 int
84.6 Sam Bradford 27 of 49 270 yd 2 td 0 int
 

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Good stuff, Percy. I'm more confident than I ever thought I would be in a rookie QB at this point. Yes, it was preseason but he showed more than enough to manage the game and make plays when he needs to.
 

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We can say "BUT it was only preseason" all we want but at the end of the day, you don't look THAT good out there unless there is some truth to you acutally being that good.

Beyond the stats this kid played like a veteran. Very poised, made all of his reads, only ran when he needed to, accurate passes, etc. Dak feels extremely confident out there.

Look at all the other rookies in the preseason games. They actually looked like rookies, even against "vanilla" defenses. That should tell you something about Dak.

I couldn't be more excited about this kid right now.
 

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We can say "BUT it was only preseason" all we want but at the end of the day, you don't look THAT good out there unless there is some truth to you actually being that good.
Dak's three preseason games remind me of Romo's 2014 performance in the three games that mattered most: the win at Philly that basically won us the division, and both playoff games.

56 of 81 658 yd 7 td 0 int 122.4

You don't look THAT good unless...;)
 

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Dak's three preseason games remind me of Romo's 2014 performance in the three games that mattered most: the win at Philly that basically won us the division, and both playoff games.

56 of 81 658 yd 7 td 0 int 122.4

You don't look THAT good unless...;)

It was all Murray.
 

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It was all Murray.
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Dak's three preseason games remind me of Romo's 2014 performance in the three games that mattered most: the win at Philly that basically won us the division, and both playoff games.

56 of 81 658 yd 7 td 0 int 122.4

You don't look THAT good unless...;)
I don't want to compare him to Romo. This kid looks like he can lead his team to more playoff wins than just 2 in a decade. He also looks like the type that may even lead them to a super bowl. Just has way more physical weapons comapred to Romo.
 

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The kid is going to have to prove he can read defenses...that's all that's left

When his first and second reads aren't open, is he capable of still being successful ?

There's no much left for him to prove...he's got everything else...but this one is huge
 

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This first part is an update of a post I made a couple of weeks ago on the highest preseason passer ratings of rookie QB in the last 10 years. Minimum 40 attempts and a preseason rating of 95. The QB's rating in real games (if any) is at the end. Adding in 2016 performances, the only new names are those of Prescott and the Lions' Jake Rudock.

137.8 Dak Prescott 4th Dal 16 --
129.6 Brett Hundley 5th GB 15 --
122.6 Brett Ratliff FA NYJ 07 --
111.2 Teddy Bridgewater 1st Min 14 87.0
110.3 Russell Wilson 3rd Sea 12 101.8
110.1 Nick Foles 3rd Phi 12 87.3
110.0 Blake Bortles 1st Jac 14 80.0
109.9 Colt Brennan 6th Was 08 --
108.3 Jay Cutler 1st Den 06 86.0
108.2 Derek Carr 2nd Oak 14 83.7
106.6 Jeff Tuel FA Buf 13 45.1
105.3 Bruce Gradkowski 6th TB 06 65.8
100.2 Matt Flynn 7th GB 08 85.7
99.9 Trent Edwards 3rd Buf 07 75.5
99.0 Jimmy Garoppolo 2nd NE 14 91.9
97.6 Zach Mettenberger 6th Ten 14 75.4
96.3 Jake Rudock 6th Det 16 --
96.5 Brady Quinn 1st Cle 07 64.4
95.9 Sam Bradford 1st StL 10 81.0
95.5 Matt Leinart 1st Ari 06 70.2

I didn't expect at the time of my previous post that Romo would go down in the next game, meaning that Dak would only play 3 games. Eliminating preseason game 4 gives us a smaller, but actually a better sample to draw from. I took these same 20 QB and compared their performances in games 1-3 only, removing any players with fewer than 40 total attempts (Dak had 50), any who had more than 20 attempts in the first game (Dak had 12), any who did not have at least 10 attempts with a rating of 85 in the third game (Dak had a 23 attempts with a 99 rating), and any who had more than two-thirds of his attempts in just one game.

137.8 Dak Prescott 39 of 50 454 yd 5 td 0 int
119.4 Russell Wilson 35 of 52 464 yd 5 td 1 int
112.2 Nick Foles 36 of 57 507 yd 6 td 2 in
99.5 Blake Bortles 28 of 46 435 yd 1 td 0 int
84.6 Sam Bradford 27 of 49 270 yd 2 td 0 int

What does it mean? Maybe nothing. Small samples and exhibition games can be very misleading, and this is a combination of both.

Amazing preseason performance though. No other can match its consistency.

Small samples. They tell you nothing
 

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Not....so.....fast.

What is his passer rating with the INT that was called back?

As you know, having an INT called back is pretty freakin rare soooo....:)
 
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