rotoworld: All signs point to Owens leaving cowboys *Merge*

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I really don't think I'm gonna be able to sleep not knowing whether one of these cats is gonna reach for Descartes.

really aristotle. most logic that we use today is based on him. descartes proofs were wrong anyway.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If so, it would be a prudent move to cut him, sure.

But the team still wouldn't be "good enough to win without him" if he wasn't the only thing preventing the team from winning. You'd have to address those things, too. Thus, the team, as is, can not be said to be "good enough to win without him." They would only be good enough to win without him if they cut him AND made moves to eliminate whatever else was preventing them from winning.

You do have a point in what a lot of people are saying. It certainly does seem that a lot of people think that if you cut TO then we are magically going to the SB.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I really don't think I'm gonna be able to sleep not knowing whether one of these cats is gonna reach for Descartes.

Descartes was one of my favorites.

 

[EPL0c0]

You're not going to get them to throw in Thomas Howard?

I dunno how he'd do in a 3-4.

He'd probably have to lose weight (240 now), but at 6'3 and with his speed, I'd like to see him at SS jk

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Did you hear about the college kid who skipped his philosophy class to go to a brothel? He didn't want to get Descartes before da who... (not sure I can finish this one here)...

 

[DuaneThomas71]

You are making statements that are impossible to prove. 'good enough' is about impossible to quantify and doing it for past events is an exercise in futility. If you were to say you think that the 2006 Giants were good enough to win it all then all you would show is that you are wrong.

We are talking about future predictions.

My statements are no more impossible to prove than any of the aforementioned statements regarding the team.

The bottom line is you can't say "this team flat-out can't win WITH Terrell Owens, but they are good enough WITHOUT HIM" and follow that up with "Terrell Owens is not the only reason this team can't win" and be sound logically. Most of the cut-Owens crowd deals with absolutes.

If you want to simply look at probability, the difference is still between "good enough" and "not good enough," whatever percentage chance for winning you equate that to. If removing Terrell Owens turns you into "good enough," he's still ultimately "the reason"...unless you wish to make it so that other preclusions could be removed and that would also allow the team to be "good enough to win" as a probability. Unfortunately, that doesn't logically coincide with premise one, which is that the team CAN NOT have a "good enough" probability with Terrell Owens as a member of the team.

For example, let's say that "good enough" is defined as having a 50% chance.

Let's say that cutting Terrell Owens represents 20%, firing Wade Phillips represents another 20%, and cutting Flozell Adams represents 10%.

Let's say that the team as is is currently at 30% (which is "not good enough"), which is why releasing Terrell Owens's places them at 50% probability, which is what they need. Well, now the team IS good enough to win without him.

But remember, he's not the only reason. The only other way to come up with these missing percentage points if you're NOT going to blame T.O. for the team falling below the 50% mark is firing Wade Phillips (Flozell's 10% would only place the team at the 40% mark). OK, so fire Wade Phillips, then. Now the team IS good enough. But...Terrell Owens is still on the team when this team IS good enough in terms of probability. Hence, the first premise that the team simply can't be good enough WITH him is false.

 

[EPL0c0]

Did you hear about the college kid who skipped his philosophy class to go to a brothel? He didn't want to get Descartes before da who... (not sure I can finish this one here)...

before da TONY ROMO!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

If this industry chatter is correct. . . . .
Jerra has become the antiCowboy.
The deconstruction has begun.

 

[Rampage]

If this industry chatter is correct. . . . .
Jerra has become the antiCowboy.
The deconstruction has begun.

:laugh2: no he'd be making a good decision for once

 

[Beast_from_East]

Good Lord, 22 pages on TO............

 

[dallasfaniac]

23, woot!

 

[odog422]

5Countem5 you never answered Rampage's question as to why JERRY would allow an article on the TEAM'S website (in other words, under his control) saying discussions were taking place on whether or not to keep Owens.

You said it was a compilation of other reports, meaning the article itself wasn't true. That this is all media speculation because the "whole team" wants him back.

That Jerry or anyone else hasn't announced it so it's not true.

So why is it on the team's website, which is under Jerry's control?

Is Jerry lying now by allowing it on the website?

 

[zekecee]

 

[Apollo Creed]

It's not all about the play on the field.


TO's presence in the lockerroom is a distraction. PERIOD.


Not saying he intentionally makes himself a distraction, but his presence there IS a distraction. The media blowing things out of proportion, making up stories, constantly questioning the players, etc... makes it a distraction.


He's 35, he obviously slowed down last year and he WILL continue to get worse. Better to move on w/o him then to hope he finds the fountain of youth.

But at 35 he's still twice the receiver Roy Wi11iams is, and we signed him for 9 mil per. I'd rather have a guy that is known for great work ethic, and being in the best shape in the entire league at 35 - than a guy that Troy Aikman throttles every opportunity he gets to call one of our games.

 

[tyke1doe]

Good Lord, 22 pages on TO............

Among the reasons why Jerry Jones will keep T.O. for another season.

Love him or hate him, he's draws a great deal of attention.

 

[5Countem5]

5Countem5 you never answered Rampage's question as to why JERRY would allow an article on the TEAM'S website (in other words, under his control) saying discussions were taking place on whether or not to keep Owens.

You said it was a compilation of other reports, meaning the article itself wasn't true. That this is all media speculation because the "whole team" wants him back.

That Jerry or anyone else hasn't announced it so it's not true.

So why is it on the team's website, which is under Jerry's control?

Is Jerry lying now by allowing it on the website?

Not sure that Jerry maintains a high degree of editorial control on the substance of what's there. With a nes stadium being built and everything else- do you really think he signs off on every website article.

But anyway, the stuff is out there and that "writer" just compiled the BS and took off running. I don't see it hurting anything. But I don't believe everything I read like some of you.

 

[5Countem5]

Let me tell you how this goes down. Take notes if needed.

Dallas TO his money.

TO starts the season.

Many will post that "Well, there really WERE discussions about cutting him! And they chose to keep him- There really were!"

I need to edit this and add that after TO stays, the media will start reporting that TO was "woodshedded" by Jones to stay and that caused him to stay. That way, all these idiot media members can add in another made-up situation to explain how they missed their prediction.

Fairly common.

 

[Established1971]

I'd take a 3rd rounder so fast Al Davis' flabby skin would flop in the breeze created.

:laugh2:

 

[khiladi]

their's an article about this on DC.com. if it was just the media do you think Jerry would allow that on his team's website?

I thought Jerry likes attention. There could be many reasons for it, including the fact it has become so prevalent in the media circus, that speaking about TO keeps people coming to the site. They have an article on the site about Romo's play not meriting the abuse he is taking.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

:laugh2:

That picture was worth all the Owens talk. That is why I think this kind of thing is hilarious cause it brings out things like this.