Rotoworld: Champ Bailey's agent says no contact, maybe walk

[realtick]

Because neither one could be a FS, and even if they are decent tacklers, our run defense would suffer.

Huff couldn't play FS?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Huff couldn't play FS?

I'm still down on Huff. Not sure why everyone likes him so much now. I think Ryan just minimized Huff's exposure sort of the way the Cowboys tried to do with Roy Williams (S). Of course Wade was unable to do that consistently.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm still down on Huff. Not sure why everyone likes him so much now. I think Ryan just minimized Huff's exposure sort of the way the Cowboys tried to do with Roy Williams (S). Of course Wade was unable to do that consistently.

Maybe because he is coming off a very good season with 94 tackles, 4 sacks, 3 FF and 3 ints

 

[Dough Boy]

Rule of thumb people. Don't sign players on the wrong side of 30 unless it's short term and had a great previous season or they are VERY cheap.

I would pass on Bailey.

Actually this is a good rule of thumb. However, you can not exclusively run a business based on rule of thumbs. Sometimes you have to make deviations to your rules. Imagine what our new DC would be able to implement with either Champ or Asomaugah (sp).

I'm in favor of signing one of the two. My preference is Asomoaugh as he is younger and is very likely to play out a 5 year deal.

 

[Hoofbite]

I'm sure Bailey would love to leave Denver.

That place is in shambles.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Yeahhhh....actually, its the complete opposite of what you said. He said he'd be more than willing to move to FS to prolong his career.

Yeeeaaaaahhhhh ... actually, you missed the part where he said he might be willing to move to FS several years down the road, but right now he still sees himself as a premium cornerback and wants to be paid as such.

Broncos stalwart wants to be paid top dollar until he makes inevitable switch to safety


Denver Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey is willing to take less money when he switches to the interior secondary position in a few years, which the 11-year veteran conceded he will do later in his career.

But he likely won't make the conversion for another three or four seasons, and he expects to be paid premium cornerback money for that stretch.

Bailey's pursuit of a contract extension, first reported by the Denver News earlier this week, actually began in February during the NFL combine, ESPN.com confirmed, when agent Jack Reale approached general manager Brian Xanders about a potential add-on of four years. Bailey, who turned 32 on Tuesday, is entering the final season of the seven-year, $63 million contract he signed in Denver when the Broncos acquired him from Washington in 2004, and he is scheduled to make $13 million in 2010, including bonuses and base salary.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insi...ns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=5326840

 

[YosemiteSam]

Maybe because he is coming off a very good season with 94 tackles, 4 sacks, 3 FF and 3 ints

94 tackles for your safety? I think that is more evidence that the Raiders front seven SUCKS rather than saying that Huff is a good player. Three INTs isn't anything fantastic for a safety, but three FF is nice. As for sacks, that just says the Raiders blitzed him a lot.

 

[Cowboyslife]

94 tackles for your safety? I think that is more evidence that the Raiders front seven SUCKS rather than saying that Huff is a good player. Three INTs isn't anything fantastic for a safety, but three FF is nice. As for sacks, that just says the Raiders blitzed him a lot.

Charles Woodson logged 92 tackles this year. And he's a cornerback. Are you saying the Packer's front 7 sucks?

And about blitzing, Rob Ryan requires his defensive backs to be able to do that.

 

[Doomsday101]

94 tackles for your safety? I think that is more evidence that the Raiders front seven SUCKS rather than saying that Huff is a good player. Three INTs isn't anything fantastic for a safety, but three FF is nice. As for sacks, that just says the Raiders blitzed him a lot.

I'm not claiming all pro what I do feel is Huff is a quality player who you don't have to break the bank over.

One other thing he has shown steady improvement as a player

 

[YosemiteSam]

Actually this is a good rule of thumb. However, you can not exclusively run a business based on rule of thumbs. Sometimes you have to make deviations to your rules. Imagine what our new DC would be able to implement with either Champ or Asomaugah (sp).

I'm in favor of signing one of the two. My preference is Asomoaugh as he is younger and is very likely to play out a 5 year deal.

Thats why it's a "rule of thumb" and not written in stone. That said, I don't sign Champ unless it's a one to two year deal. He surely wants a longer contract than that as this could be his last. As I said, I pass on Champ.

Rule of Thumb:

A rule of thumb is a principle with broad application that is not intended to be strictly accurate or reliable for every situation. It is an easily learned and easily applied procedure for approximately calculating or recalling some value, or for making some determination.​

 

[YosemiteSam]

Charles Woodson logged 92 tackles this year. And he's a cornerback. Are you saying the Packer's front 7 sucks?

And about blitzing, Rob Ryan requires his defensive backs to be able to do that.

Ask yourself WHY any DB should have close to 100 tackles?

That would mean they are not only tackling pass catchers, they are also tackling running backs in large quantities. Now, that that has been stated, what in hell is your dline and linebackers doing if your secondary is having to make tackles on running backs that often?

 

[Doomsday101]

Ask yourself WHY any DB should have close to 100 tackles?

That would mean they are not only tackling pass catchers, they are also tackling running backs in large quantities. Now, that that has been stated, what in hell is your dline and linebackers doing if your secondary is having to make tackles on running backs that often?

Depends on how they use them. Some safety are good at coming up quick to the line and make tackles such as Troy Polamalu he makes many plays around the line.

 

[Cowboyslife]

Depends on how they use them. Some safety are good at coming up quick to the line and make tackles such as Troy Polamalu he makes many plays around the line.

Correctomundo! Any number of things can be attributed to a high tackle number.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Depends on how they use them. Some safety are good at coming up quick to the line and make tackles such as Troy Polamalu he makes many plays around the line.

I agree. He is one of the best at doing it. (of course he doesn't get criticized enough when he makes bone headed plays due to his "intuition".)

btw, Troy had about 31 less tackles than Huff. To be fair though I believe he did miss two games. Then again, he doesn't average 15.5 tackles a game either. If Troy is that good playing close to the line, why does Huff have so many more tackles?

Your inside linebackers in a 3-4 should always have 100+ tackles. If your safeties do, then your linebackers and / or defensive line suck.

 

[Cowboyslife]

I agree. He is one of the best at doing it. (of course he doesn't get criticized enough when he makes bone headed plays due to his "intuition".)

btw, Troy had about 31 less tackles than Huff. To be fair though I believe he did miss two games. Then again, he doesn't average 15.5 tackles a game either. If Troy is that good playing close to the line, why does Huff have so many more tackles?

Your inside linebackers in a 3-4 should always have 100+ tackles. If your safeties do, then your linebackers and / or defensive line suck.

Sometimes that is the case, but with my example of Charles Woodson, that isn't always true. The Packers have a beasting front 7, but Charles Woodson is just all over the place.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree. He is one of the best at doing it. (of course he doesn't get criticized enough when he makes bone headed plays due to his "intuition".)

btw, Troy had about 31 less tackles than Huff. To be fair though I believe he did miss two games. Then again, he doesn't average 15.5 tackles a game either. If Troy is that good playing close to the line, why does Huff have so many more tackles?

Your inside linebackers in a 3-4 should always have 100+ tackles. If your safeties do, then your linebackers and / or defensive line suck.

True Troy also had season where he put up 91 and 96 tackles. I do agree that Raiders line is not great but that should not take away from the job he has done and as I said he has shown steady improvement as a player.

 

[realtick]

Ask yourself WHY any DB should have close to 100 tackles?

That would mean they are not only tackling pass catchers, they are also tackling running backs in large quantities. Now, that that has been stated, what in hell is your dline and linebackers doing if your secondary is having to make tackles on running backs that often?

What's the point, unless someone is trying to make a case that Huff is great because he's racked up a bunch of tackles?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Sometimes that is the case, but with my example of Charles Woodson, that isn't always true. The Packers have a beasting front 7, but Charles Woodson is just all over the place.

We would have to watch all the Green Bay games to determine WHY Woodson has that many tackles.

What's the point, unless someone is trying to make a case that Huff is great because he's racked up a bunch of tackles?

That was the point. People have been saying Huff is a good player now, and I don't necessarily agree. As Doomsday101 has said. He has definitely improved since his rookie season, I just don't think he is that great of a safety. Of course, you can't get much worse than Ball, so he would be an upgrade there. I just see what else is out there before I rush to get Huff.

 

[Future]

Huff couldn't play FS?

I meant SS my bad