Roy at SS....yeah baby!!!

[Nors]

ok, more fickle crap...

what exactly did Roy do yesterday to show he was below average in coverage?

David

Exactly at SS he has little coverage responsibilities. See last year FS tape as my evidence.

Stop with you roll eyes stuff and read what is being talked about. Roy at SS and in the box is his strength.

 

[Nors]

one guy wouldnt make any difference on that sieve of a special teams coverage...its the guy coaching it

David

1 or 2 guys breaking down can absolutely cause that. You play Football - curious? In particular ST on kickoff coverage? More curious and at what level. You hammerred Parcells last year and have a proclivity to know more than many of the NFL coaches we have. What is your pedigree to do so? Curious.....

 

[InmanRoshi]

one guy wouldnt make any difference on that sieve of a special teams coverage...its the guy coaching it

David

The same coach that had the #1 kick off coverage unit in the NFL last year?

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

Roy can play coverage in the middle of the field, just like his rookie season. However, he's not fluid in coverage enough to play the deep guy like a smaller FS such as Dawkins or an Ed Reed type. He can still get INTs, but it'll be across the middle and intermediate stuff when he makes a break, not because he's the last line of defense, but that's how it should be. They should've gotten Sharper, but you can't change the past.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Why Roy was not given the biscuit and moved to SS (Part time LB) last year. He is below average in coverage and a stud in the box. Put him in the box. Go get a FS. Davis the FS answer - I still have reservations. And our ST is suffering on Coverage?

Because we needed 4 defensive backs last year. And there will be many times this year when we'll need 4 defensive backs, not 3 defensive backs and 5 linebackers.

 

[ddh33]

I'm somewhat biased, but I think Roy is one of th great defenders and intimidators in the league. His greatest skills are wasted twenty yards away from the line of scrimmage in coverage. Obviously, he does need to be able to hold his own in that regard, but I think he does. He's not nearly as bad in coverage as people make him out to be. When he was getting burned last season, it was because he was trying to do too much and overthinking everything.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

roy didnt really impress me yesterday

 

[InmanRoshi]

If you think he's good at coverage, fine. I just don't like it when people just give him a pass on it because "That's not what he does". No other player on the team gets his mistakes glossed over like that that. I've never heard anyone say "Don't blame Flozell for giving up sacks, everyone knows his strength is run blocking. Its really unfair that he's asked to do both." Especially for a Top 10 pick. If we drafted a defensive tackle with a Top 10 pick, I would hope that he could both collapse the pocket and stuff the run.

I perfectly understand that he's at his best playing in the box, but people are living in fantasy land if they think the Cowboys can afford to go with a 3 DB, 5 LB lineup all season. There will be times when Dallas needs their strong safety to be a defensive back.

 

[ddh33]

I'm not trying to be facetious or anything, but what do some of our DBs have to do to impress?

Newman barely allows a completion despite being on an island most of the time, but it's not enough. Roy virtually never misses a tackle, gets several stops behind the line of scrimmage including half a sack, comes hard on the blitz and forces some hurried throws, but that's not enough either. Is it just because they didn't get an interception and return it for a touchdown? What is it?

 

[stilltheguru]

roy is not as bad as some of you are makin him out to be on coverage.i expect him to make a few plays monday night.

we all know my record on predictions.

 

[ddh33]

InmanRoshi, do you think Roy is adequate in coverage? I mean, we understand he isn't Woodson's equivalent in coverage, and he isn't one of these converted corner types, but do you think he does a "good enough" job?

 

[InmanRoshi]

Roy Williams 2004

2 INT's, 0 sacks, 1 Forced Fumble.

Tony Dixon 2004

0 INT's, 3 sacks, 2 Forced Fumbles

Here's what I want out of Roy... I want Roy Williams to dwarf Tony Dixon's big play numbers, free safety or no free safety. I don't think that's too much to ask for a Top 10 pick. I do think Roy can be a liability in coverage, but in a round about way so does everyone who acts like its a slap in his face that he be asked to cover a deep zone from time to time. That's what safeties do. He's not a linebacker. He's a safety.

When he's allowed to play up in the box and freelance like a linebacker its only because someone else in the secondary is having to pick up his slack and take on a more responsibility and cover more ground. And thusly, they get all the blame when passes are completed, not Roy. Its quite a luxory for Roy that many safeties aren't afforded with. He's really burdened with very little responsibility and he needs to be scrutinized as such. Pretty good isn't good enough when other people are sacrificing and taking all the heat to put Roy in position to have all the glory.

 

[ddh33]

I think it's fair to expect more big plays out of Roy. I think he expects it out of himself. But I also think it's legitimate to point out that he isn't going to be as effective if he's being asked to play out of position. I consider making Roy chase receivers twenty and thirty yards away from the play makes him ineffective. It would be the equivalent of asking Ed Reed to play linebacker, or asking Julius Jones to be a receiver. Sure, Reed can tackle, and Julius can catch a little, but it isn't what they do best. Similarly, Roy can cover effectively, I believe. It's just not his greatest strength.

I don't mean to make excuses for him either. I just want him put in the position where he most helps this team and where he's allowed to do what he does best. Let him play a little closer to the line, be a great helper in run support, cover those tightends and backs out of the backfield.

 

[DMX690]

At this point of his career, Roy Williams is not even close to, what Darren Woodson was as a safety. Woody, was one of the best cover safety in the league, yet he was also able to be the eight man in the box supporting the run. Yes, Roy is a bigger hitter and that's great but as a safety you must be able to cover in space and Roy Williams is below average.

 

[smashmouth]

roy didnt really impress me yesterday

No player is going to have 3 INT's a game and 12 tackles.
My goodness! The guy is our best defensive player but they want him to be a god or something.

The guy was solid all day long - he made several big plays, but because they weren't crushing hits or int's, oh he was un-impressive.

 

[dbair1967]

If you think he's good at coverage, fine. I just don't like it when people just give him a pass on it because "That's not what he does". No other player on the team gets his mistakes glossed over like that that. I've never heard anyone say "Don't blame Flozell for giving up sacks, everyone knows his strength is run blocking. Its really unfair that he's asked to do both." Especially for a Top 10 pick. If we drafted a defensive tackle with a Top 10 pick, I would hope that he could both collapse the pocket and stuff the run.

I perfectly understand that he's at his best playing in the box, but people are living in fantasy land if they think the Cowboys can afford to go with a 3 DB, 5 LB lineup all season. There will be times when Dallas needs their strong safety to be a defensive back.

so when he wa running stride for stride with future hall of fame WR Jimmy Smith 30-40 yds downfield all by himself and made a tremendous interception, that was an example of what exactly? Jimmy Smith charity for the guy?

David