Roy Williams is not a bad #2 receiver

[Baileyneverfailey]

Miles Austin is our number 1 receiver. That is clear to anybody watching us play right now. And while I personally feel that Crayton probably deserves to start over Williams at this point, we all know that is not going to happen.

The fact of the matter is being a #1 draft pick, getting paid a big contract, and having multiple picks traded to get you doesn't automatically make you any better than you are. Jerry just wanted a 'big name' receiver. And it's not like Roy doesn't have talent. He's just not a very good route runner, so his best attributes are his size and his hands, and unfortunately this year, his hands have been less than stellar.

My point is even though we all know Jerry traded too much for him and we're paying him like a #1, at least Roy isn't on IR giving us nothing. I want to believe he'll have to compete for his job in TC next year, and maybe he gets replaced in the starting lineup, but until then, he's still wearing a star on his helmet so I'm going to be rooting for him and hoping he catches whatever is thrown his way.

At least Romo isn't trying to force it to him to feed his ego like he did T.O.

 

[zrinkill]

Great Post

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I think part of Roy's problem is that an undrafted WR is #1. It is affecting him mentally.

 

[Alexander]

I want to believe he'll have to compete for his job in TC next year, and maybe he gets replaced in the starting lineup, but until then, he's still wearing a star on his helmet so I'm going to be rooting for him and hoping he catches whatever is thrown his way.

It is very unfortunate you have to "hope" a player we gave up that much for and are paying that much actually catches passes.

 

[theebs]

I wish people would stop worrying about the numbering of the wr.

And their salaries.

He has some ups and downs and he talks way too much but he is still a useful player in our offense and hopefully down the stretch he will make people player for playing him straight up.

And anyone who watches this team knows witten is the first guy we look for and then down. the wr numbering system just doesnt matter in a good offense.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

That's my point, people worrying about the supposed #1 not giving us enough production. I think you have to worry about the salary though, because you have to eventually cut a guy who is eating a big part of the salary cap and not earning it, but that's not something we can fix right now.

I really don't think Miles getting more balls is affecting Roy mentally, but he's obviously dropping some easy ones probably due to thinking too much about what he's going to do after he catches them.

I think Roy is happy to be a Cowboy, and though he talks more than he should, he'll have his chance to put in a ton of offseason work with Tony and come out strong next year. For now he just has to catch the ones that are thrown his way, and hope he doesn't drop any more easy 3rd down conversions, because whether Tony will admit it or not, every one of those has to take away some confidence and make him look to other people in his progressions.

 

[Stash]

I wish people would stop worrying about the numbering of the wr.

And their salaries.

He has some ups and downs and he talks way too much but he is still a useful player in our offense and hopefully down the stretch he will make people player for playing him straight up.

How many times has the word "hope" been used when talking about Roy Williams? It's practically the guy's middle name!

And it's downright embarrassing how often teams man uip on him and he and the Cowboys can't make them pay for it.

And anyone who watches this team knows witten is the first guy we look for and then down. the wr numbering system just doesnt matter in a good offense.

Whether we like it or not, there are certain expectations when you give up what the Cowboys did for Roy Williams, in draft picks and salary.

Compare those factors to his production and it's disappointing, plain and simple. No two ways about it.

It bothers me when it's somehow "wrong" or "beating a dead horse" to bring it up.

The fact is that Williams himself continues to give fans and media the ammo to keep bringing it up. And the team does as well by keeping him out there while other guys with less salary and pedigree are making the plays he isn't.

I give kudos to the team for using other receivers more in the New Orleans game. Hopefully it's a sign that they're basing playing time on production, not pedigree.

 

[MaineBoy]

The issue will williams is not the money or his status but the fact he drops easy catches...the drop in the fourth quarter against NO could have been a killer and he's dropped other 1st downs in previous games...He's inconsistent

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Miles Austin is our number 1 receiver. That is clear to anybody watching us play right now. And while I personally feel that Crayton probably deserves to start over Williams at this point, we all know that is not going to happen.

The fact of the matter is being a #1 draft pick, getting paid a big contract, and having multiple picks traded to get you doesn't automatically make you any better than you are. Jerry just wanted a 'big name' receiver. And it's not like Roy doesn't have talent. He's just not a very good route runner, so his best attributes are his size and his hands, and unfortunately this year, his hands have been less than stellar.

My point is even though we all know Jerry traded too much for him and we're paying him like a #1, at least Roy isn't on IR giving us nothing. I want to believe he'll have to compete for his job in TC next year, and maybe he gets replaced in the starting lineup, but until then, he's still wearing a star on his helmet so I'm going to be rooting for him and hoping he catches whatever is thrown his way.

At least Romo isn't trying to force it to him to feed his ego like he did T.O.

And therein lies the problem.

We just have to hope that he gets it together and is able to take advantage of 1 on 1 matchups when Coordinators gameplan to stop Miles Austin.

 

[Alexander]

It bothers me when it's somehow "wrong" or "beating a dead horse" to bring it up.

Because it is maddening and irritating for many to believe that our two best offensive weapons were undrafted free agents that we were extremely fortunate chose Dallas to sign with. Being reminded of that is disturbing.

 

[tecolote]

The simple truth is that Roy is playing himself out of playing time, these last few weeks he's been on the field less and less. After dropping 2 third down passes that hit him on the hands against NO, he has to be losing the confidence of his QB, it is only natural for Tony to not look for him on key downs until he proves reliable.

I would love for Roy to be successful here, but let's face it, right now he is hurting more than he is helping.

 

[theebs]

How many times has the word "hope" been used when talking about Roy Williams? It's practically the guy's middle name!

And it's downright embarrassing how often teams man uip on him and he and the Cowboys can't make them pay for it.



Whether we like it or not, there are certain expectations when you give up what the Cowboys did for Roy Williams, in draft picks and salary.

Compare those factors to his production and it's disappointing, plain and simple. No two ways about it.

It bothers me when it's somehow "wrong" or "beating a dead horse" to bring it up.

The fact is that Williams himself continues to give fans and media the ammo to keep bringing it up. And the team does as well by keeping him out there while other guys with less salary and pedigree are making the plays he isn't.

I give kudos to the team for using other receivers more in the New Orleans game. Hopefully it's a sign that they're basing playing time on production, not pedigree.

Hey i agree with all of that. Roy has limitations. He needs to be exceedingly good at what he can do and that is not happening, what is worse are his comments after and before games. His ego does not in any match his talent.

My simple point is that, we cant worry about the numbering system of wr, they are a group and as a group they are getting the job done.

In my mind we just need roy to get it done when the teams with good defensive talent take away austin and witten. That is the same way i feel about bennett/hurd/crayton/phillps etc...

If you want a real hot sports opinion, Babe Laufenberg said he believes it is time for the organization to show some guts and make williams ogletree's backup.

Laufenberg broke down a play in the 4th qtr the other night when we were trying to run it down and we came out in a heavy set with only roy williams on the field and they just put both safetys on the linebackers rear ends and blitz the run gaps. Williams presents no challenge to stop in that scenario. That is what san diego did repeatedly.

laufenberg contested had it been austin or ogletree, the corner would be forced off and the safety back, allowing some running room or the opportunity to make a quick pass outside.

But again, he is here. His salary wont matter to me until he falls off the map and I dont think he will. We just need him to improve at what he does well to help us down the stretch here, I dont think we can win these next two games without him playing well.

 

[theebs]

Because it is maddening and irritating for many to believe that our two best offensive weapons were undrafted free agents that we were extremely fortunate chose Dallas to sign with. Being reminded of that is disturbing.

One step further than that.

Kevin Ogletree looks like an outstanding prospect who is ready to help.
Barber is a fifth rounder, choice a 4th, witten a 3rd, crayton a 7 and hurd undrafted.

The three guys we used high selections on are bennett, jones and williams..by extension.

Felix looks like the guy who is ready to play like that. he looked awful good the other night and I bet he starts seeing an increase in carries.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

The issue will williams is not the money or his status but the fact he drops easy catches...the drop in the fourth quarter against NO could have been a killer and he's dropped other 1st downs in previous games...He's inconsistent

There were a few other drops in that game, by players not named Roy Williams...

The spot light is on him, everyone is watching his every move looking for something to ***** about... Why not whine about the drops by the other players in that game too???

 

[AmericasTeam31]

In my mind we just need roy to get it done when the teams with good defensive talent take away austin and witten. That is the same way i feel about bennett/hurd/crayton/phillps etc...

You mean like the Green Bay and Philly games?

 

[theebs]

You mean like the Green Bay and Philly games?

yes. We needed williams to step up and make plays to help out those guys and he didnt do it.

He let a ball hit him in the face killing a drive and then fumbled away a 40 yard play.

The philly game I think austin was fine and will be the next time too.

We will need williams next sunday night.

 

[theebs]

There were a few other drops in that game, by players not named Roy Williams...

The spot light is on him, everyone is watching his every move looking for something to ***** about... Why not whine about the drops by the other players in that game too???

the difference is witten always comes through, if he makes a bad play or a mistake we all know he will make up for it 5 times over.

Austin is developing the same mantra. Austin fights for balls, austin makes big plays that have energized the team.

Williams has not done that yet, sans the big play in tampa. And that would be a huge boost if he does down the stretch here.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

yes. We needed williams to step up and make plays to help out those guys and he didnt do it.

He let a ball hit him in the face killing a drive and then fumbled away a 40 yard play.

The philly game I think austin was fine and will be the next time too.

We will need williams next sunday night.

So 5 catches 75 yards, leading the team in yards for the game and keeping us tied with Philly is not enough? But Austin's 1 catch is enough, and he was "fine" that game??? Wow!

No matter how you slice it 5 catches for 105yds and 1TD is better than 4 catches for 40 yds and 0TD... fumble or no fumble, drop or no drop... We've seen all season that when the going get's tough Romo goes to Austin if he's open... it's obvious that he wasn't getting it done it that game.

Don't forget about the 6 catches for 60 yds and 2TDs RW had against NY too... If only he would step up one time huh?

 

[pancakeman]

Because it is maddening and irritating for many to believe that our two best offensive weapons were undrafted free agents that we were extremely fortunate chose Dallas to sign with. Being reminded of that is disturbing.

I come at it from the another angle - the successes we've had with undrafted and low-drafted players make it more acceptable that some of our other gambles have paid out lower than expected. I take it as inevitable that some personnel moves will exceed expectations and some will fall short, and on balance (and particularly with the receiving corps as a group), I think we should be pleased with the hit-to-miss ratio.

 

[evarc]

Yea but the problem is he is being paid like a #1...