Roy Williams is not a bad #2 receiver

[Baileyneverfailey]

Very original, as usual, but by no means a "paradox." Congrats on not being able to spot a stealth pro-Jerry thread.

If you think I created this as a pro Jerry thread, your perception skills are not as keen as you may believe. I can't wait until we have a new owner, though I don't count on Stephen Jones to do anything really differently until he gets the chance to prove that he will or won't.

I just wanted to kick around discussion because I personally feel Roy hasn't played well enough to remain in the starting lineup, but we know he's going to for now.

 

[hammer1]

Roy Williams is not a bad #2 receiver

I'm a Texas homer and I love RW11, but he's cleary not our best option for the #2 WR. IMO Ogletree has shown that he deserves at shot at the #2 spot. We should start our best players and right now that would be Ogletree.

Hammer

 

[silver]

Our own ineptitude at choosing WRs and QBs in the normal selection process in essence helped us land these players. That is hardly something to be extremely smug about. For years we have had the benefit of doing well with undrafted players. That says as much about our drafting issues as it does about any supposed success.

Are you talking about Isiah Stanback & Skyler Green? We only invested 4th rounders in those 2. Me thinks our problem lies in that we never draft a receiver on the 1st day. Last time we did it was Antonio Bryant in 2002, and he wasn't too shabby. Too bad he was too immature and our coaches couldn't reign him in. Other than that our WR's have come in as UDFA, UFA or via trade where we always seem to get owned.

 

[DallasEast]

This season, this offense and its receiving aspect has always been and always has been about the group; and never just about the individual. As long as:

Jason Witten
John Phillips
Kevin Ogletree
Martellus Bennett
Miles Austin
Patrick Crayton
Roy Williams
Sam Hurd

--play well collectively, it's a win-win in every aspect as far as the games themselves are concerned.

However, Roy Williams discussions will re-surface for as long as he is a Dallas Cowboy. Unfortunately, such discussions will never center solely upon how he may underperform during certain games.

The monies devoted to his contract will be repeatedly scrutinized, even though the impact on future salary cap considerations are minimal (at best).

The implications of the draft picks included with the trade shall be raked over the coals again and again as the:

• "Woulda Shoulda Coulda" of the first, third and sixth round selections surrendered for the 2009 draft
• Excessive importance of a seventh round selection given up for the upcoming 2010 draft

Interestingly enough, there isn't any way possible of knowing exactly what Jerry Jones would have done with any of the picks surrendered. What's more interesting is that it is almost a certainty Jones would have been vilified by some for whomever he would have drafted if he had retained ownership of those same picks. The final kicker is that, even though picks were relinquished to get Williams, the act will not restrict Jones from maneuvering in the 2010 draft to reduce, negate or perhaps even improve upon the argued "negatives" of the past transaction.

In short, for some, we're screwed; but the fact is, we're not and never have been.








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[Alexander]

Are you talking about Isiah Stanback & Skyler Green? We only invested 4th rounders in those 2. Me thinks our problem lies in that we never draft a receiver on the 1st day. Last time we did it was Antonio Bryant in 2002, and he wasn't too shabby. Too bad he was too immature and our coaches couldn't reign him in. Other than that our WR's have come in as UDFA, UFA or via trade where we always seem to get owned.

You can lump in ignoring the position as part of the ineptitude.

It is a philosophy. Both Jerry and Stephen Jones concur. It does not make sense to draft a WR early because they take too long to contribute. Amazingly, the alternative is what, to wait for the next Miles Austin to come along while spending quality choices on the "out of the box" busts like Galloway and Williams? Groom a series of Hurds? I could understand if we were repeatedly burned, but we have not been.

What is frightening is we have taken more tight ends in the second round than wide receivers.

 

[zrinkill]

some WRs are just flat out *******. Roy is a *****.

I do not agree

 

[AmericasTeam31]

and if you would read what I am saying, I am simply saying he is not capable of being the big time player who wins a game for you. he is just a good player and there is nothing wrong with that.

We need him to get better at the things he can do and not worry about the stuff he cant do. he needs to be outstanding when we go to him on the stuff he can do to allow the offense to breathe and operate.

But, the question remains, are we putting him in a position to do what he is best at? Are slants, drags, and comebacks his best attribute? Or is it run down field and we'll throw it up and you go get it? I have not seen one play where we "take a shot" and throw it up to let him make a play...

If he is as bad of a route runner as most say, then how hard is the 9 route for a jump ball? No cuts, no double moves, just GO! Isn't that his "best attribute"?

 

[Stash]

This season, this offense and its receiving aspect has always been and always has been about the group; and never just about the individual. As long as:

Jason Witten
John Phillips
Kevin Ogletree
Martellus Bennett
Miles Austin
Patrick Crayton
Roy Williams
Sam Hurd

--play well collectively, it's a win-win in every aspect as far as the games themselves are concerned.

However, Roy Williams discussions will re-surface for as long as he is a Dallas Cowboy. Unfortunately, such discussions will never center solely upon how he may underperform during certain games.

The monies devoted to his contract will be repeatedly scrutinized, even though the impact on future salary cap considerations are minimal (at best).

The implications of the draft picks included with the trade shall be raked over the coals again and again as the:

• "Woulda Shoulda Coulda" of the first, third and sixth round selections surrendered for the 2009 draft
• Excessive importance of a seventh round selection given up for the upcoming 2010 draft

Interestingly enough, there isn't any way possible of knowing exactly what Jerry Jones would have done with any of the picks surrendered. What's more interesting is that it is almost a certainty Jones would have been vilified by some for whomever he would have drafted if he had retained ownership of those same picks. The final kicker is that, even though picks were relinquished to get Williams, the act will not restrict Jones from maneuvering in the 2010 draft to reduce, negate or perhaps even improve upon the argued "negatives" of the past transaction.

In short, for some, we're screwed; but the fact is, we're not and never have been.








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Slow down!

The 'spin' is making me dizzy!

:laugh2:

 

[zrinkill]

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[silver]

You can lump in ignoring the position as part of the ineptitude.

It is a philosophy. Both Jerry and Stephen Jones concur. It does not make sense to draft a WR early because they take too long to contribute. Amazingly, the alternative is what, to wait for the next Miles Austin to come along while spending quality choices on the "out of the box" busts like Galloway and Williams? Groom a series of Hurds? I could understand if we were repeatedly burned, but we have not been.

What is frightening is we have taken more tight ends in the second round than wide receivers.

Oh, I totally agree with you. I hate seeing how the Giants and Washington have replenished their receiving core and here we are still trying to develop LB's & TE's taken in the first 2 rounds.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Miles Austin is our number 1 receiver. That is clear to anybody watching us play right now. And while I personally feel that Crayton probably deserves to start over Williams at this point, we all know that is not going to happen.

The fact of the matter is being a #1 draft pick, getting paid a big contract, and having multiple picks traded to get you doesn't automatically make you any better than you are. Jerry just wanted a 'big name' receiver. And it's not like Roy doesn't have talent. He's just not a very good route runner, so his best attributes are his size and his hands, and unfortunately this year, his hands have been less than stellar.

My point is even though we all know Jerry traded too much for him and we're paying him like a #1, at least Roy isn't on IR giving us nothing. I want to believe he'll have to compete for his job in TC next year, and maybe he gets replaced in the starting lineup, but until then, he's still wearing a star on his helmet so I'm going to be rooting for him and hoping he catches whatever is thrown his way.

At least Romo isn't trying to force it to him to feed his ego like he did T.O.

Yeah Roy Williams isn't a bad no. 2 if he was getting paid like 2 mil a year. We as fans wouldn't be getting as mad as we do if he wasn't getting paid that much.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I do not agree

What that he has alligator arms when he crosses the middle? Alligator arms, means you're a *****. You never saw Michael Irvin, Jerry Rice, or Larry Fitzgerald with alligator arms. They go/went across the middle.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

No, I think he is being used wrong. He his limitations. He fears safeties knocking his block off. The man is a deep threat for jump balls and thats the only way he plays effectively. (when a safety isn't going to hit him)

That fear is why he always has alligator arms when going across the middle on slants and the like. They should just stop using him that way. With his size and strength, he SHOULD be a great possession receiver, but some WRs are just flat out *******. Roy is a *****.

I will disagree with your "no" because he has already expressed the sentiments that I was referring too. So it is more likely a "yes".

Now... I still agree with some of what you said. He does fear safeties and should be a possession receiver. But he cant be dropping slants and easy passes.

Roy should be great in red zone with jumpballs. We dont even try... baffles me.

 

[zrinkill]

What that he has alligator arms when he crosses the middle?

I do not believe he is doing that ..... I think he is just dropping the ball.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I agree....it is only the fact that we are paying him to be our #1

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

What that he has alligator arms when he crosses the middle? Alligator arms, means you're a *****. You never saw Michael Irvin, Jerry Rice, or Larry Fitzgerald with alligator arms. They go/went across the middle.

I talked about this on the Cowboy's post-game show. Micheal Irvin came to practice and advised..or "coached up" Roy on catching the ball and tucking, cradling it into his body. Irvin later said that Williams pretty much blew him off. It was funny when the host on the show commented, "And you know Ben, as much as Williams is getting paid you'd think he wouldn't need Micheal Irvin to show him that." LOL

I forget the source of this article, but I would love to read it again. I wouldn't know the extent to which RW "blew him off", but it is a fact Irvin came to try to help Roy with this problem.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I do not believe he is doing that ..... I think he is just dropping the ball.

He gets alligator arms over the middle. I think that's sort of a connotative term indicating that he gets scared when a defender is close by. That's my impression. I think RW doesn't like physical contact, which is something I never noticed about him in the past.

 

[baj1dallas]

It would be nice if he caught more of the passes thrown his way towards the end of games.

 

[zrinkill]

He gets alligator arms over the middle. I think that's sort of a connotative term indicating that he gets scared when a defender is close by. That's my impression. I think RW doesn't like physical contact, which is something I never noticed about him in the past.

See I just do not see that .... I think he is just thinking about making a play too much instead of just letting the game come to him.

I think the only thing he is scared of is messing up.

It has gotten in his head ..... he was not ready for the Dallas spotlight.

 

[RS12]

I think part of Roy's problem is that an undrafted WR is #1. It is affecting him mentally.

:laugh2: How bout the fact that his abilities were greatly overated. Six years in, you are what you are.