Roy Williams is not a bad #2 receiver

[Alexander]

I come at it from the another angle - the successes we've had with undrafted and low-drafted players make it more acceptable that some of our other gambles have paid out lower than expected. I take it as inevitable that some personnel moves will exceed expectations and some will fall short, and on balance (and particularly with the receiving corps as a group), I think we should be pleased with the hit-to-miss ratio.

Undrafted free agents are not quite the same and should not be quantified like a draft choice.

For the most part, they are determined by several factors, one of which is a signing bonus and their own choice where to go where they know they have the best chance to compete for a job. One of the primary reasons we landed Romo in Dallas was because he could look and see that Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson were easier competition than what he would have had to face in Denver. Austin looked at an aging Glenn and Keyshawn Johnson and saw an opportunity to compete for a third WR job against other undrafted free agent types.

Our own ineptitude at choosing WRs and QBs in the normal selection process in essence helped us land these players. That is hardly something to be extremely smug about. For years we have had the benefit of doing well with undrafted players. That says as much about our drafting issues as it does about any supposed success.

Austin and Romo are unique. There was a graphic that stated that they were the best combination of undrafted players in history. That should tell you how rare it is to be that fortunate and how unreliable it would be to depend on that kind of fortune again.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Yea but the problem is he is being paid like a #1...

And according to the USA Today Antonio Bryant has the highest base salary of ANY WR in the NFL...

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/...45&order=BaseSalary+desc&loc=interstitialskip

And Sam Hurd makes more money than Patrick Crayton!!!!

 

[theebs]

So 5 catches 75 yards, leading the team in yards for the game and keeping us tied with Philly is not enough? But Austin's 1 catch is enough, and he was "fine" that game??? Wow!

No matter how you slice it 5 catches for 105yds and 1TD is better than 4 catches for 40 yds and 0TD... fumble or no fumble, drop or no drop... We've seen all season that when the going get's tough Romo goes to Austin if he's open... it's obvious that he wasn't getting it done it that game.

Don't forget about the 6 catches for 60 yds and 2TDs RW had against NY too... If only he would step up one time huh?

yeah, he needs to be better and what he did against green bay was not only not good enough but resulted in negatives.

and yea he needs to step up. You can pump up his stats in those two games all you want. he needs to be better, much better.

 

[diehard2294]

how many Roy williams threads are we gonna have:

 

[TheSport78]

One step further than that.

Kevin Ogletree looks like an outstanding prospect who is ready to help.
Barber is a fifth rounder, choice a 4th, witten a 3rd, crayton a 7 and hurd undrafted.

The three guys we used high selections on are bennett, jones and williams..by extension.

Felix looks like the guy who is ready to play like that. he looked awful good the other night and I bet he starts seeing an increase in carries.

Not to be annoying but I thought Barber was a 4th rounder?

 

[theebs]

Not to be annoying but I thought Barber was a 4th rounder?

Yeah I think I screwed that up, sorry. I am doing it off memory. I just remember that 05 draft we ended up getting great players on that second day with canty and barber...i guess canty was the 5.

 

[pancakeman]

Our own ineptitude at choosing WRs and QBs in the normal selection process in essence helped us land these players. That is hardly something to be extremely smug about. For years we have had the benefit of doing well with undrafted players. That says as much about our drafting issues as it does about any supposed success.

Okay, you've got a fair point there.

 

[bbgun]

Sure I paid $5K for this fake Rolex, but hey, at least it still kinda tells time.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Sure I paid $5K for this fake Rolex, but hey, at least it still kinda tells time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=[youtube]3yFSpml8oSw[/youtube]

 

[AmericasTeam31]

yeah, he needs to be better and what he did against green bay was not only not good enough but resulted in negatives.

and yea he needs to step up. You can pump up his stats in those two games all you want. he needs to be better, much better.

I'm not disputing the fact that there is room for improvement. But in the GB game, he was the only offensive player that was doing anything... Yeah he fumbled, and yeah he dropped a pass. But, there were plenty of mistakes to go around in that game... Yet, everyone is pointing to him for the drop.

I'm not saying he is the best receiver we have, or that his performance has been stellar. But I don't think it is as bad as everyone is making it out to be by pointing to all the negatives, while ignoring the positives... I think the original poster hit the nail on the head with his title, Not a bad #2 (if you must number them)... there is nothing wrong with that...

 

[theebs]

I'm not disputing the fact that there is room for improvement. But in the GB game, he was the only offensive player that was doing anything... Yeah he fumbled, and yeah he dropped a pass. But, there were plenty of mistakes to go around in that game... Yet, everyone is pointing to him for the drop.

I'm not saying he is the best receiver we have, or that his performance has been stellar. But I don't think it is as bad as everyone is making it out to be by pointing to all the negatives, while ignoring the positives... I think the original poster hit the nail on the head with his title, Not a bad #2 (if you must number them)... there is nothing wrong with that...

and if you would read what I am saying, I am simply saying he is not capable of being the big time player who wins a game for you. he is just a good player and there is nothing wrong with that.

We need him to get better at the things he can do and not worry about the stuff he cant do. he needs to be outstanding when we go to him on the stuff he can do to allow the offense to breathe and operate.

 

[bbgun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=[youtube]3yFSpml8oSw[/youtube]

Very original, as usual, but by no means a "paradox." Congrats on not being able to spot a stealth pro-Jerry thread.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Very original, as usual, but by no means a "paradox." Congrats on not being able to spot a stealth pro-Jerry thread.

You wouldn't know what a paradox was if it slapped you in the face. And congrats, Debbie, on turning everything into a stealth anti-cowboys thread.

 

[bbgun]

You wouldn't know what a paradox was if it slapped you in the face. And congrats, Debbie, on turning everything into a stealth anti-cowboys thread.

To quote a memorable line from The Simpsons:

"Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?"

You're my favorite poseur by far. :laugh2:

 

[TheSport78]

Yeah I think I screwed that up, sorry. I am doing it off memory. I just remember that 05 draft we ended up getting great players on that second day with canty and barber...i guess canty was the 5.

Yep and that draft really helped build our team to where we are today. Ware, Spears, Barber, Canty, and Ratliff. That's unreal.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

the difference is witten always comes through, if he makes a bad play or a mistake we all know he will make up for it 5 times over.

Austin is developing the same mantra. Austin fights for balls, austin makes big plays that have energized the team.

Williams has not done that yet, sans the big play in tampa. And that would be a huge boost if he does down the stretch here.

If Roy plays big in the last two games, makes noise and contributes to a win in the playoffs, he'll be worth the money. The issue I have is I'd be compelled to sit him in favor of Ogletree or Crayton. But as others have pointed out, we just have to find creative ways to get them involved as well.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

To quote a memorable line from The Simpsons:

"Excuse me, but 'proactive' and 'paradigm'? Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important?"

You're my favorite poseur by far. :laugh2:

There's a chance they will win, but there is no sound reason to believe they will. - Homer Simpson

 

[MapleLeaf]

...a tremendous amount of debate over Roy Williams and his place on the Cowboys.

What I don't see here on a regular basis is what is a poster's true opinion if he/she were a hired GM of an NFL franchise and they now had to sit down in one on one discussions with the owner or a board of football operations and explain the year to date for each and every player and how they fit in the present and the future.

If your job or professional credibility was sitting on the performance of players from Folk to Romo to Roy Williams what would you really say?

I'm not here to rain on anyone's parade, especially after a great win by our team, but seeing how people are so terribly conflicted over this player this is all I can suggest.

Take out the fan emotion and pretend you feet are being held to the fire with the "my job is on the line" emotion. What is your real opinion?

 

[Derinyar]

The problem with Roy Williams is for what we gave up anything short of a superstar is a failure. The other problem is we have to get what we can out of him because we paid for him like a superstar WR. He's a good 2/3 right now, and we just need to use him like that. Its dissapointing, but its the case.

The thing to worry about is the process the got him here to begin with. Is it our scouts that were that wrong about him or was it Jerry saying I want him? And the thing to follow up on that one is which is more scary?

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think part of Roy's problem is that an undrafted WR is #1. It is affecting him mentally.

No, I think he is being used wrong. He his limitations. He fears safeties knocking his block off. The man is a deep threat for jump balls and thats the only way he plays effectively. (when a safety isn't going to hit him)

That fear is why he always has alligator arms when going across the middle on slants and the like. They should just stop using him that way. With his size and strength, he SHOULD be a great possession receiver, but some WRs are just flat out *******. Roy is a *****.