Roy Williams [Lions] getting fed up; thinks Lions could be cursed

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aikemirv;2283239 said:
Porter,Stallworth,Walker and ???????

All of those teams are struggling has Stallworth even played yet? Porter is playing in Jackonsville (run first) Walker is in Oakland (nuff said). If you put any of those guys on this team they wouldn't have any of those problems.
 

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parcells316;2283176 said:
We have an extra 3rd and a 4th in next year's draft. I'd give Detroit a 1st, 3rd and 4th for him, provided we have the parameters for an extension on his contract.
If you put him on the field with Witten and T.O., This offense is virtually unstoppable.


Thats a bit bit much maybe a 3rd in 2009 and a 5th in 2010
 

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parcells316;2283176 said:
We have an extra 3rd and a 4th in next year's draft. I'd give Detroit a 1st, 3rd and 4th for him, provided we have the parameters for an extension on his contract.
If you put him on the field with Witten and T.O., This offense is virtually unstoppable.

Lions are not going to give him away which is what they would be doing for this price. I think it will take more than throwing a 3rd and a 4th at them along with our 1st pick which chances are will be a low 1st rd pick. Put yourself in the Lions shoes you don't think you could be a better deal from some other team?
 

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aikemirv;2283239 said:
Porter,Stallworth,Walker and ???????

Bernard Berrian...

I really don't see what all the hype with Roy Williams is either. He's not all that, imo.
 

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I think it is fare to say Roy Williams hasn't lived up to his hype. What is disputable is why he hasn't lived up to his hype...
 

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khiladi;2283273 said:
I think it is fare to say Roy Williams hasn't lived up to his hype. What is disputable is why he hasn't lived up to his hype...

Yep, I am one who thinks a change of scenery would make all the difference in the world.
 

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Hostile;2283140 said:
Give me some of that over rated on this team this year and no one will beat us. We would do what New England could not.

While I'll agree that I wouldn't mind some of that over-rated here I don't know that I'd go far enough to say that we'd go undefeated. But we'd certainly go 18-1 or 17-2 with the last win being the one that New England couldn't secure last year.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2283268 said:
go on......

Not sure what you were trying to imply with your comment either, so we'll just leave it at that for now.
 

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khiladi;2283273 said:
I think it is fare to say Roy Williams hasn't lived up to his hype. What is disputable is why he hasn't lived up to his hype...

I don't know playing with a QB who has thrown more ints than TD passes since he has been in Det playing behind a line that has given up 63 sacks Kitna 1st year then gave up 51 last year and have alread given up 12 sacks in 3 games this year. Unless the WR can block and throw the ball to himself it is hard to do much.
 

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personally i dont see RW being a Cowboy soon, i seriously doubt they trade him before the Oct 14th deadline, and more than likely will be franchised this offseason, would you send 2 - 1st round picks for him. i wouldnt. plus he is going to want to get paid. we have other players whose contracts are coming namely DeMarcus Ware :starspin
 

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Doomsday101;2283254 said:
Lions are not going to give him away which is what they would be doing for this price. I think it will take more than throwing a 3rd and a 4th at them along with our 1st pick which chances are will be a low 1st rd pick. Put yourself in the Lions shoes you don't think you could be a better deal from some other team?
SD got Chris Chambers last year for a 2nd round pick, a first, third and fourth would be a generous offer.
 

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speedkilz88;2283295 said:
SD got Chris Chambers last year for a 2nd round pick, a first, third and fourth would be a generous offer.

I think Williams value is greater. I think his upside is well beyond Chambers and I don't think the Lions will settle for that I know I wouldn't. If they do then they deserve the be the bottom dwelling team they have been.
 

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Roy Williams has had to play with Joey Harrington and Jon Kitna. Not the greatest QB's.

Put him with Romo and lets see what Romo can do with the guy.
 

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Not to stir the fire any more than it already is being stirred, but by any chance did you notice that the original article is not written by a Detroit Sportswriter? It's written by DMN's own Rick Gosselin.
 

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Detroits hands are kinda tied.

RW can pretty much block any trade by not negotiating in good faith with the trade partner.

So if I were them and were not planning on paying him next year I would call up Dallas and see what they would give me for him, if October 14th comes around, and I am out of the playoff picture.

Which they almost are now.
 

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http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080916/SPORTS01/809160356/1048

He kept his sense of humor. But Roy Williams made it clear Monday that, because the Lions are losing, he is not happy with how often he is thrown the ball nor the role of No. 2 receiver.

"I feel that if I'm not involved in the game and we lose, I'm (ticked) off," Williams said. "But if I'm not involved and we win, hey, it's a great job. And I've been like that since I've been here. I just feel like I can make some plays, as well. ... Three balls a week, that's not going to cut it."

Asked if he had himself on his fantasy team, Williams said: "Heck, no." Asked if he had teammate Calvin Johnson, Williams said: "Yeah, I got Calvin."

Through two games, both lopsided losses, Williams has six catches for 95 yards and a touchdown, and Johnson has 13 catches for 236 yards and two TDs. Williams also misread a route leading to an interception last week in Atlanta and has been flagged for two pass interference penalties. Both he and Johnson have dropped passes.

"The first week, I had five balls thrown my way -- caught three for 47," Williams said. "This week, I had six come my way -- three for 48. So keeping on my average."

Is that enough?

"Enough balls come my way?" Williams said. "No, sir. No, sir."

How many would be enough?

"As many times as we're throwing the football, I don't know how many we're throwing on the other side, but my side it's six," Williams said. "This is the Mike Martz system, but not really. But in Mike Martz's system, I would have had at least 10 to 12 balls come my way."

The Lions fired Martz after last season and named Jim Colletto offensive coordinator.

"I'm in the same position," Williams said. "I just think I'm in a different role right now. I really think I'm a role player right now."

Because of Johnson's emergence?

"Yeah, I think so," Williams said. "He's doing his thing on the other side. He's making big plays for us. I'm just a guy that comes in and sneaks about two or three balls in a game, try to get some first downs, keep the chains moving.

"I mean, that's fine. It's not fine when we lose, but it's fine when we win. I just want to win, man, and if I feel like I'm not helping the team in that thing right there, then I'm mad."

Does quarterback Jon Kitna look for Johnson, 6-5, more than Williams, 6-3?

"I think so," Williams said. "I always joke with him because, when he throws the ball to me, he kind of throws it like I'm 6-7, up there with Calvin."
Kitna disputed that.

"I think these first couple weeks, we definitely want to get him the ball
more," Kitna said of Williams. "I think we tried to get him the ball more yesterday. We just missed on a few plays. Unfortunately had the pass interference call they called against him, and things like that.

"We tried to get him the ball. I don't know how many times we threw it in his direction yesterday. But there's not a cognizant effort to go away from him on my part."

Williams said he would never go to the coaches to complain.

"I don't know, man," Williams said. "It's like a bad year to be Roy Williams right now. I've got two pass interference (penalties) in two games that shouldn't be pass interference by no means. I mean, it's tough right now. But we'll get this thing straightened out."
 

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Hostile;2283140 said:
Give me some of that over rated on this team this year and no one will beat us. We would do what New England could not.

Do you mean go undefeated or merely win a Super Bowl? They didn't need Williams to do either last year. All they needed was their D to make a stop (or prevent one miraculous pass).
 
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