Roy Williams showed why he shouldn't be benched

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Hostile;3221370 said:
I can tell you that if Roy's and Miles' stats were reversed that many people on here would be ecstatic.

I can also tell you that my opinion would not be altered in the least.

I simply do not think this is a huge issue because the team as a whole is dangerous because of the passing game and all the pieces involved.

Would I like to have two 1000 yard WRs? Absolutely. Instead we have a TE who provides that. To have 2 WRs and a TE hit that kind of production is rarified air that few teams have ever breathed. Trust me when I say that if we had a team that passed that much the Head Couches around this place would be all over the OC more than they already are.

If you took Crayton's stats and combined them to Williams stats without having decent production from the 3rd WR people would be screaming. Instead we have what we have. I am quite satisifed with it.
I wish this would sink in but sadly it won't.
 

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CATCH17;3221402 said:
I agree with everything you are saying and, stats aside, I expect more of a WOW factor out of Williams than he has brought.

Whether he makes it to a 1000 yards is no longer the point. But, like you, i'd love to see it.

I just want the guy to make bigtime plays when his # is called because he is more than capable of doing that.



There hasn't been a lot of Cowboys players that we all loved in the beginning because we as Cowboy fans are the worst at overanalyzing a player so hopefully Roy is just another case of a guy who steps up bigtime for us eventually.
I think TDs are "wow factor," and yardage is a much more fluff statistic in comparison.

Like I said, everyone in here barking would be ecstatic if Miles' and Roy's stats were reversed. The only reason would be the salary.

I just think that's kind of short sighted.
 

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I've been a Roy detractor and still am, but he had a good game against the Eagles. If he keeps having games like he did Saturday, I will end up feeling Roy deserves his spot as the #2. He was a very good compliment to Miles.

I have criticized Roy for playing poorly, so it's only fair that I praise him for playing well.
 

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adbutcher;3221468 said:
I wish this would sink in but sadly it won't.
It's not about yards. It's about making the most of your opportunities, and no one can say Roy has made the most of his. However, if he continues to play like he did Saturday then you won't hear people criticizing Roy anymore.
 

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The best thing about Roy's play Saturday night was that he spun the corners twice.

I've been pretty critical of his route running, but the curl/comeback route on Samuel and the slant on Brown, both of which went for 17 yards, are the kind of routes that he needs to run if he want to have success in the Dallas offense.

Romo isn't really about throwing it up for grabs like Kitna was in Detroit. Roy needs to get open, and that means no telegraphing breaks with body lean and superfluous chop steps. On the curl he just planted and turned - beautiful economy of motion. On the slant he had Brown turned to the outside before he made his break.

I hope to see a lot more of that kind of route running from #11.
 

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Cover 2;3221555 said:
It's not about yards. It's about making the most of your opportunities, and no one can say Roy has made the most of his. However, if he continues to play like he did Saturday then you won't hear people criticizing Roy anymore.

Exactly, if RW would have been on his game all year the Vikings or Eagles would be coming to town for the Cowboys first playoff game and we would not be traveling up to Minnesota this week.

If the Vikings were traveling to Dallas I would be much more confident about the Cowboys chances this week. I think we will win, but it could have been an easier road. Could it all work out, sure, but RW mediocre play has no just been covered up my Austins great play!
 

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kmd24;3221569 said:
Romo isn't really about throwing it up for grabs like Kitna was in Detroit. Roy needs to get open, and that means no telegraphing breaks with body lean and superfluous chop steps.
Astute observations, broseph. I think this is a big reason why it appears like there isn't "chemistry" between them, or why people were going ape over how Sanchize and Edwards seemed to "gel" so quickly. What did Sanchize have to lose? He sucks so he was just flinging it to his new toy. Romo hits the open receiver, he won't force it to his go-to-guy. And that's something Roy needed to get used to, particularly since the few times that Romo did try to force it to him and give him a chance, he generally failed.
 

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i don't get it.

Roy fades from view much of the year and especially during December and the first week in January. And after 5 catches Saturday he's an important contributor?

Doesn't work tht way in the NFL. Consistency is just as important as talent. And as Roy has shown the NFL world, he has neither.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;3221824 said:
i don't get it.

Roy fades from view much of the year and especially during December and the first week in January. And after 5 catches Saturday he's an important contributor?

Doesn't work tht way in the NFL. Consistency is just as important as talent. And as Roy has shown the NFL world, he has neither.

What he may do in the playoffs will not change the year he had but him contributing in the post season can help the Cowboys. Right now that is what matters. Cowboys were able to get him involved early and going into the game I felt Dallas would do just that.
 

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adbutcher;3221468 said:
I wish this would sink in but sadly it won't.
It is no surprise. Contract, draft picks, drops and pedigree are the only (literally) things which matters to some. It was apparent last March, today and will be in the future.
 

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MarionBarberThe4th;3221560 said:
Well he did have another drop that could have been a pick 6

Is it a drop even though he never touched the ball?
 

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DallasEast;3221869 said:
It is no surprise. Contract, draft picks, drops and pedigree are the only (literally) things which matters to some. It was apparent last March, today and will be in the future.
I prefer making the most of one's opportunities. Roy hasn't done that. Now he did Saturday, and hopefull that is a sign of things to come. He'll have to do it consistently thought to change my mind.
 

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Hostile;3221502 said:
I think TDs are "wow factor," and yardage is a much more fluff statistic in comparison.

Like I said, everyone in here barking would be ecstatic if Miles' and Roy's stats were reversed. The only reason would be the salary.

I just think that's kind of short sighted.


Agreed. What we need to realize is that this team didn't really start believing and playing as a team until five or six weeks ago. Now that they see the possibilities of this good chemistry, this is just the beginning. Whether they win the SB or not this year, I think they come back brimming with confidence for the '10 season.

Crayton wasn't contributing much until he didn't start, since then he's shown flashes of great play on offense and special teams. Since Roy's family changed his tune, he's started coming on showing some excitement and making plays. Ogletree is just learning, but you can see the potential.

The future is bright!
 

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DallasEast;3221869 said:
It is no surprise. Contract, draft picks, drops and pedigree are the only (literally) things which matters to some. It was apparent last March, today and will be in the future.
one day

you'll be right about roy
 

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superpunk;3221578 said:
Astute observations, broseph. I think this is a big reason why it appears like there isn't "chemistry" between them, or why people were going ape over how Sanchize and Edwards seemed to "gel" so quickly. What did Sanchize have to lose? He sucks so he was just flinging it to his new toy. Romo hits the open receiver, he won't force it to his go-to-guy. And that's something Roy needed to get used to, particularly since the few times that Romo did try to force it to him and give him a chance, he generally failed.

Isn't that a refreshing change from when you know who was here?:)
 

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if he can just catch the ball, doesn't have to break it for a long TD or anything like that, just catch it, that makes a BIG difference in how the defense defends the pass.

I don't think Philly saw him as much of a threat b/c it looked like he was able to shake his (mostly one-on-one) coverage pretty easy Saturday
 

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kmd24;3221569 said:
The best thing about Roy's play Saturday night was that he spun the corners twice.

I've been pretty critical of his route running, but the curl/comeback route on Samuel and the slant on Brown, both of which went for 17 yards, are the kind of routes that he needs to run if he want to have success in the Dallas offense.

Romo isn't really about throwing it up for grabs like Kitna was in Detroit. Roy needs to get open, and that means no telegraphing breaks with body lean and superfluous chop steps. On the curl he just planted and turned - beautiful economy of motion. On the slant he had Brown turned to the outside before he made his break.

I hope to see a lot more of that kind of route running from #11.

It may be a slight exaggeration but those may have been the first two catches Roy made where he actually beat solid man coverage against a decent corner. It looked really good and I was actually happy for the guy almost more than I was for the team. He has had a trying year, no doubt. I do hope it is the beginning of a great connection.

We would then have a guy who does a bit of everything - Miles

A large possession receiver with speed - Roy

A quick slot guy who also returns punts - Crayton

Hopefully Ogletree can fill a Terry Glenn type role as a great route runner who can get deep.

We could maybe use a pure burner who can also return kickoffs but this is basically a project sort of player if all those four guys are playing well. Unfortunately, I am definitely projecting with RW and Ogletree but I do believe the talent is there.

If Roy really works hard on his routes he may yet become the player that people always envisioned he could be. I know this is why many here defended him but at some point you have to produce.
 

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Doomsday101;3220269 said:
True, we also had 33 runs and 35 passes on the game. Passing wise Tony nor the WR had a monster day but they were very efficient and effective. Showing balance like that is only going to make Minn DC job much harder this week as they get ready for the Cowboys

Reminds me of the early 90's...
 
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