Roy Williams : Stay or Go

[zrinkill]

Looking at the people who voted cut him, with a few exceptions is like a who's who list of idiots and trolls

Yup. There are a few exceptions like 94Ware and VTA ......

but when guys like TN700, Rampage, STSINAZ, Skinsfunguy, and FCBarca agree with ya ..... you need to rethink.

 

[zrinkill]

i hope you see now that it's not an agenda. just a lot of frustrated cowboy fans

Nope .... I see the usual agenda boys ..... and a small handful of frustrated Boys fans.

 

[BigDFan5]

Yup. There are a few exceptions like 94Ware and VTA ......

but when guys like TN700, Rampage, STSINAZ, Skinsfunguy, and FCBarca agree with ya ..... you need to rethink.

exactly my thinking, names and all

 

[mmillman]

If he were to take a pay cut that indicates his declining level of play, I wouldnt mind him sticking around.

Roy would be a distraction with that scenario. He can't cover and that is the name of the game today.

 

[TEK2000]

I thought "Cowboy for life" might be a bit strong with his current level of play... but I think he should stay with us not really gaining anything by cutting him and the fact that he's not as bad as some people make out. Not as good as we all wish he was right now.. but not as bad as he's described either.

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

will this thread stop other Roy threads from spawning

 

[Randy White]

So in your opinion it would be better for the Cowboys to lose 2.2 million in cap room AND a Pro Bowl safety simply because you dont like him?

No.

In my opinion simply because he's not only NOT getting better, as he should since he's entering the prime of his career, he's becoming a liability, hence the benching by Philips in certain passing situations. Which other " Pro Bowl " safety around the league, at the apex of his career, gets benched in any situations, much less passing situations ?

Still, I might even overlook that and keep him on the hope that he comes back near if not to the same level he was in his first two seasons, but this part

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips said the club has tried to coach it out of Williams, to no avail.

is raising all types of red flags with me.

That's telling me there's an attitude problem he needs to correct because he's not listening to his coaches, and at this stage of his career, those issues shouldn't exist.

 

[DragonCowboy]

No.

In my opinion simply because he's not only NOT getting better, as he should since he's entering the prime of his career, he's becoming a liability, hence the benching by Philips in certain passing situations. Which other " Pro Bowl " safety around the league, at the apex of his career, gets benched in any situations, much less passing situations ?

Still, I might even overlook that and keep him on the hope that he comes back near if not to the same level he was in his first two seasons, but this part

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips said the club has tried to coach it out of Williams, to no avail.

is raising all types of red flags with me.

That's telling me there's an attitude problem he needs to correct because he's not listening to his coaches, and at this stage of his career, those issues shouldn't exist.

Link to the quote?

 

[Dallas]

No.

In my opinion simply because he's not only NOT getting better, as he should since he's entering the prime of his career, he's becoming a liability, hence the benching by Philips in certain passing situations. Which other " Pro Bowl " safety around the league, at the apex of his career, gets benched in any situations, much less passing situations ?

Still, I might even overlook that and keep him on the hope that he comes back near if not to the same level he was in his first two seasons, but this part

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips said the club has tried to coach it out of Williams, to no avail.

is raising all types of red flags with me.

That's telling me there's an attitude problem he needs to correct because he's not listening to his coaches, and at this stage of his career, those issues shouldn't exist.

Probably one of the most oddball posts I have read in a while.

Not only do you flat out lie about what is in bold above but you had an odd outlook on the situation.

Attitude problem?

Not listening to coaches? So you think he is just being spiteful to spend 30-40k dollars and now more since he got a suspension? That's where you are hanging the hat? Ooooook!!

Well - I guess anyone can post on the forums here. Sad really. :

 

[BigDFan5]

No.

In my opinion simply because he's not only NOT getting better, as he should since he's entering the prime of his career, he's becoming a liability, hence the benching by Philips in certain passing situations. Which other " Pro Bowl " safety around the league, at the apex of his career, gets benched in any situations, much less passing situations ?

Still, I might even overlook that and keep him on the hope that he comes back near if not to the same level he was in his first two seasons, but this part

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips said the club has tried to coach it out of Williams, to no avail.

is raising all types of red flags with me.

That's telling me there's an attitude problem he needs to correct because he's not listening to his coaches, and at this stage of his career, those issues shouldn't exist.

Its not that he isnt listening to coaches its a tackle he has used his entire career including high scool and college. Go look at an OU highlight you will see it there too. It is hard to drop something that is second nature and has nothing to do with not listening. Talk about reaching

 

[silverbear]

Do you want Roy Williams to be a Dallas Cowboy after this season?

Your poll might be more legitimate if you mentioned what kind of a cap hit the Cowboys would take if they sent Roy packing... if you factor that into the equation, as you must, then even the biggest Roy hater in here would have to admit that this offseason at least, Roy is an untouchable...

Anybody who has already voted to let him go is either completely uninformed as to the cap realities of such a move, or completely clueless...

 

[scottsp]

I would imagine most, even those who voted to let him go, realize the cap implications make such a transaction impossible. There are only two options: Cowboy for life -or- he needs to go (cut/trade).

There is no "Say goodbye once the contract/cap issues allow us to do so" option.

 

[Mavs Man]

Thread Theme Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Gn0e7kvTA

 

[Randy White]

Link to the quote?

It's from a story I read in here:


Maybe suspension will teach Dallas Cowboys' Williams

Fines for using the illegal horse-collar tactic to tackle a player never deterred Cowboys safety Roy Williams. Maybe getting suspended will.

The NFL, which has fined Williams three times the last two seasons for the illegal ploy, suspended him for Saturday's game with Carolina. Williams has no one to blame but himself.

It's a dirty play, one that can result in serious injury if the defender also pins the opposing player's legs, but the danger isn't limited to that.

Williams grabbed the back of Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb's jersey Sunday and yanked him hard to the ground. It was a dirty hit and clearly a penalty and yet Williams still threw a fit when the official tossed his flag.

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips said the club has tried to coach it out of Williams, to no avail. It was a legal tackle in 2004 when six players were injured by the tactic – four of them by Williams. Williams broke wide receiver Terrell Owens' ankle when Owens was with the Eagles.

Before it was announced, Phillips said he didn't think Williams deserved a suspension because he didn't fall on McNabb's legs. But if you watched Williams pulling down another Eagles player out of bounds Sunday, he did exactly that, basically jumping on the back of the player's legs.

Williams has had a reduced role in pass coverage this year, but with safety Pat Watkins nursing a sprained left ankle, the team could be really caught short at safety Saturday. Williams should spend some time thinking about that, too.

 

[zrinkill]

Your poll might be more legitimate if you mentioned what kind of a cap hit the Cowboys would take if they sent Roy packing... if you factor that into the equation, as you must, then even the biggest Roy hater in here would have to admit that this offseason at least, Roy is an untouchable...

Anybody who has already voted to let him go is either completely uninformed as to the cap realities of such a move, or completely clueless...

I was just trying to find out how people feel about Roy buddy ..... I did not include cap situations because it had nothing to do with it.

The question is simple .... do you want roy to remain a Cowboys or not.

 

[Randy White]

Probably one of the most oddball posts I have read in a while.

Not only do you flat out lie about what is in bold above but you had an odd outlook on the situation.

Speaking of oddballs..

alright, skippy, where did I " lied " about the quote ? The story was posted in this same forums.

Attitude problem? Not listening to coaches? So you think he is just being spiteful to spend 30-40k dollars and now more since he got a suspension? That's where you are hanging the hat? Ooooook!!

Reading comp, it's a wonderful thing. You should use it, if you know how.

I " hang my hat " on the fact that Roy's play has been declining since his first two years. Even you can see that. The rest is subjective stuff that troubles me, which is why I stated it was my opinion.

Well - I guess anyone can post on the forums here. Sad really. :

Well, you're right about that. If you can do it, I guess anybody can.