Roy won't get ripped this season

[tomson75]

Roy's INT totals are misleading....Most, if not all have been on very poorly thrown balls.

Ummm...I'm pretty sure you'd find that to be true of most player's INTs.

 

[Future]

Ummm...I'm pretty sure you'd find that to be true of most player's INTs.

Probably, which is why we don't always rate DBs based on interceptions around here. (Newman)

Its a double standard for cowboys players it seems.

Roy is great becuase he gets INTs, Newman is great even though he doesn't?

it doesnt really make sense to me

 

[tomson75]

Probably, which is why we don't always rate DBs based on interceptions around here. (Newman)

Its a double standard for cowboys players it seems.

Roy is great becuase he gets INTs, Newman is great even though he doesn't?

it doesnt really make sense to me

I hear you there. The whole metrics and stats argument gets pretty old whichever way you argue it.

I'll admit that Roy has problems in coverage...ones that he needs to address if he wants to be an elite safety. He is not, however, as inept as many detractors would like to point out. He's still a far better safety, when all factors are considered, than most in the league. If he holds himself accountable, and starts to work on his deficiences, he could be one of the best.

 

[Howley54]

Probably, which is why we don't always rate DBs based on interceptions around here. (Newman)

Its a double standard for cowboys players it seems.

Roy is great becuase he gets INTs, Newman is great even though he doesn't?

it doesnt really make sense to me

Big difference is that hardly anybody tries to throw on Newman. Does it make more sense to you now?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Well, even Pro Football Prospectus and KC Joyner stated that Roy's coverage "issues" were overstated or greatly exaggerated. Roy always had a point with me since so many in the media, and even sportscasters like Troy Aikman, don't know coverages or in Aikman's case, make a mistake. Roy's a popular player on a popular team, so of course it's serves the media's best interest to rant about Roy being in coverage.

Look, Mickey Spagnola has proven that he doesn't even know how a Cover 2 scheme works, the most used and simplest zone coverage to understand in the NFL.

I doubt Mac and the Hack Engel can really analyze game film or even bother to do so. And I could list a lot more writers who don't do their homework or are too interested in soundbytes and sexy headlines than actual football. Hell, Mac and the Hack Engel act like "Camp Cupcake" was some bizarro training camp when in fact it's pretty typical of the NFL.

It's hard to take any of these critics more than a grain of salt to begin with, but it's a lot easier for them to just bash a popular player than to actually learn football schemes, watch tape, investigate what schemes are being used (y'know, good professional reporting) and go against the convential theory.



YAKUZA

 

[BlackJackMurphy]

taken from cbssportsline.com

So who's the league's most overrated? There are a lot of name players to choose from, but the winner is Dallas Cowboys safety Roy Williams. He isn't nearly as good as his reputation, which is Lone Star big.


Who's in the background, eating Santana Moss' dust? Why, it's Pro Bowl safety Roy Williams. (Getty Images)
Williams played in his third consecutive Pro Bowl after the 2005 season, but he certainly hasn't performed to that level. Williams is a good hitter when in the box, but he struggles in coverage, which is why teams were able to exploit the Cowboys with some big plays last season.

Anyone who saw the Cowboys blow that Monday night game to the Commanders saw that Williams can be trouble in coverage. The Commanders twice threw over the top of him for fourth-quarter touchdowns.

Sure, he makes those highlight hits. But for every one of those, there's two misses in coverage. That's not good enough.

There is no way he's a better safety than Adrian Wilson of the Cardinals or Sean Taylor of the Commanders, two players who should have gone to the Pro Bowl ahead of Williams.

Those two, by the way, are among our 32 underrated players.

It might not be the Pro Bowl, nor do we give them a trip to Hawaii, but at least they can take satisfaction in knowing somebody appreciates what they do.

After all, it has to get tiring having "Underrated" as a first name.

Now for the choices:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Depends on your perspective, I guess. I think a lot of my frustration is simply due to the fact that I had such high hopes for the guy.

He certainly gets his fair share of criticism, but he also has his share of supporters that don't want to hear any of that criticism. If you bring it up, your intelligence is questioned.

that's not it at all, it's you guys acting like Roy getting beat in coverage is an isolated problem than from other safeties

He is a good player. He does, however, struggle in coverage and teams do make an effort to isolate him in coverage.

every team wants to isolate SSs and pit them against athletic TEs and WRs

I think he could be a better player with a stronger offseason work ethic and if he'd hold himself somewhat accountable for the coverage lapses (and this last year, tackling lapses). Listening to him, you'd think he was perfect last year doing his job and covering for the rest of the secondary. I guess if he is so knowledgable about what is going on in the secondary, why'd the team make such a big push to bring someone in make the secondary calls?

I agree w/ that, he should own up to his mistakes

I hope this is the year he gets closer to his rookie performance. They've changed the scheme to suit him and they brought in another safety to make the calls and play center field.

let's hope so

 

[Howley54]

taken from cbssportsline.com

Dude, why would you run a Sportsline quote up the flag pole and expect anybody else to salute it? Somebody could just counter with another quote.
Would it matter to you if I showed you where Anthony Henry said that RW is the star of the D, and the fingers shouldn't be pointing at him?

 

[BigDFan5]

taken from cbssportsline.com

LOL so you bring an article that says he is overrated and names plays that werent his fault as proof?

 

[BlackJackMurphy]

Stop - he made a fool of himself on the Moss plays a fool.

 

[RomoIsBack]

he will get ripped yall are right thats all i hear in nj but long as we winin theres no talk

 

[TEK2000]

Stop - he made a fool of himself on the Moss plays a fool.

What team are you a fan of?

 

[Howley54]

Stop - he made a fool of himself on the Moss plays a fool.

Those are the two plays that started the myth. And jeez, you realize that was almost 2 years ago, right?

 

[BlackJackMurphy]

Those are the two plays that started the myth. And jeez, you realize that was almost 2 years ago, right?

Myth!!!! Dude comeon!!! He can't cover!! he's fat! and slow! and cannot backpeddle!
OMG ! stop this already - Roy is the worst defender in the NFL when pig is in flight.

 

[Howley54]

Myth!!!! Dude comeon!!! He can't cover!! he's fat! and slow! and cannot backpeddle!
OMG ! stop this already - Roy is the worst defender in the NFL when pig is in flight.

Never saw Ahmad Carroll play, eh?

But yeah, BJ. It's a myth. Coverage isn't the best part of his game, but it can hardly be characterized as a weakness. He's not fat, especially now, and certainly not in the past, though he's never been a 5% body fat guy. And slow? He ran Travis Henry down from behind like a dog last night. I've seen him run TO down in the past. He's a 4.5-4.6 guy. Not bad for a big safety. About like Sean Taylor. The only criticism that a discerning analyst could have is that he goes for the big hit too much, rather than the textbook tackle. Of course if he could tackle like my boy Dat, they'd have to make a rule to stop it because he'd be way too dominant for the NFL's "give all advantages to the offense" policy.

 

[BlackJackMurphy]

because I love the team, I love our choice as head coach and the direction we're going - I have been a staunch critic of his, and IMO rightfully so - BUT this is a new season, new slate, with high expectations. I will not waste one more breath knocking him for PAST failures, what's done is done.
I hope he wins Defensive MVP.
I read this article, and I will take him at his word.
No more Roy bashing, Go Cowboys.

Roy Williams Coverage Safety

SAN ANTONIO -- Safety Roy Williams lost 26 pounds this off-season, and, for a day, he lost the aloof and surly attitude he has sometimes had with the media.

This Roy Williams is thrilled about his role in a defense that promises to use him more like the player he was at Oklahoma and in his first two seasons with the Cowboys.

And the Roy Williams who spoke after Friday's practice smiled, laughed and seemingly was understanding of his critics.

When asked if he ever tires of the seemingly endless criticism that is thrown his way, Williams said, "All the time. All the time. It's cool, though.... It's OK to get criticized. Jesus was criticized; he was persecuted. What makes me any different?"

Williams said he feels the criticism is "unfair, because [reporters] really don't know what you're talking about. It is what it is. You have to sell papers. You have to sell tickets."

In the past two seasons, Williams has heard the critics who say his coverage skills are poor and that he has been responsible for allowing touchdowns.

Is the criticism fair?

"No. I will admit if I give up a touchdown, that was on me. A lot of the stuff put on me last year and the year before, it wasn't even my zone to be in," Williams said.

"At times I'm like, 'That's not cool because you guys don't know the whole story,'" said Williams, who spent much of the off-season working out with an Isagenix cleansing program, and is now near the weight he was as a rookie.

"We're in a certain coverage, I'm supposed to be doing one thing and then I try to help out on something and it looks like I'm getting burnt, which it really wasn't my responsibility. Then it's, 'Old Roy can't cover. He's not a cover safety because he's so used to being [close to the line of scrimmage].'"

In the Wade Phillips 3-4 defense, Williams will be closer to the line of scrimmage, much like he was at Oklahoma. He was a linebacker in the dime formation Friday. He'll also be asked to handle his part in man-to-man coverage, too.

"I'll have more responsibility than I did in college. I'm up for it," Williams said. "All over [the field]. Running back, being more verbal, and covering."

 

[theogt]

Who are you, again?

 

[adbutcher]

we really need a minimum IQ to post rule here

David

Very true. However, sadly we would loose a lot of posters.

 

[theogt]

Very true. However, sadly we would loose a lot of posters.

We'd lose some too.

 

[03EBZ06]

We'd lose some too.

Some of those we may lose won't be much because it's likely that some of those have loose marbles and was lost to begin with.