Roy's Tackle On Watson

[Hoofbite]

1st thing I thought when I saw that was:

"He just figured out how to apply the horse-collar without actually using it"

Seriously, the result of that play and the twisted up legs and stuff looked just like he horse-collared him. Leaned back and legs all folded up, it was identical to the results of the horse-collar.

I only say this because I know Roy will make more tackles like that. Hes going to have to. He can't horse-collar so hes going to have to use the horse-collar v2.0, which is what that was.

Anyway, when people start getting their legs rolled up on and stuff, wonder how the league is gonna look at that. Its only a matter of time but I think its pretty clear there is no way to even apply a rule to that.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

I was thinking that too at the time. I wonder if he does it intentionally to hurt or if he's just trying to bring the runner down? I mean, it's not really necessary to swing your body around back of them and land on their legs is it? You don't see others in the league doing it nearly to the degree that Roy does.

Either way, it's not illegal, but it sure is dangerous for the ball carrier now that he's found a way around the horsecollar.

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't know if it is intentional because he seems like too much of a pansy to do something like that but it sure happens a lot with that guy.

Im not complaining though. Hes been a heck of a lot better in coverage over the last couple of games even though it looks like he isn't the aggressive tackler that he was a few games ago. I saw him carrying his arm gingerly against the Bills and today he could have absolutely killed both Stallworth and Moss at different times but didn't.

I was actually pissed when he had Moss lined up and took him low. If he goes up top and hits him in the chest, Moss is flattened.

I don't wish injury upon a team but they did a couple of things I didn't like. I saw their RT blatantly just dive towards Wares legs when Ware jumped to try and bat down a pass. Thats just cowardly IMO and from what other have said, there were a few other plays that the Patriots got a little extra something in there. That said, if someone gets their legs rolled up on a tackle when that is the defenders only way of making the play, so be it.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

I think a few games ago he was starting to wrap up a little better, but today he went back to just leading with his helmet. Throw on some shoulderpads and try to tackle people when you lead with the crown of your helmet, it's hard.

I still think he's going for the big hit a lot of the time and he tosses all his fundamentals out with it. Not saying he played poorly today because he really didn't, but he's got to do a better job of wrapping up. I'd rather have a sure tackler than someone who once in a blue moon jacks someone up.

 

[Clove]

I personally don't like the tackle, it's a cheap way of injuring a player.

Why not just tackle him (traditionally)? I'm afraid that RW has lost something in his spirit. I don't see the bone-jarring hits anymore, he has horrible technique in his tackling and his coverage is average.

I don't understand what has happened to him since he used to be feared and all over the field. I know RW is untouchable on this site, but maybe it's time to include him in any trade talks available.

 

[TVMan]

So what's he supposed to do? Not tackle?

Roy-Haters unite.:starspin

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

I personally don't like the tackle, it's a cheap way of injuring a player.

Why not just tackle him (traditionally)? I'm afraid that RW has lost something in his spirit. I don't see the bone-jarring hits anymore, he has horrible technique in his tackling and his coverage is average.

I don't understand what has happened to him since he used to be feared and all over the field. I know RW is untouchable on this site, but maybe it's time to include him in any trade talks available.

I hate to say it, but I agree. The guy has lost something. I think a lot of it has to do with him having a string of bad coverage plays where he bit on the run and got beat deep back a couple of years ago. Now he just never seems to just let himself fully "go". It's like he's making absolutely sure what's going on before he commits instead of using his instincts like he did when he first got to the NFL.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

So what's he supposed to do? Not tackle?

Roy-Haters unite.:starspin

Man, his tackling is so fundamentally unsound it's ridiculous. We're not saying not to tackle, but jeez, why not just wrap up and tackle like everyone else in the league?

 

[Clove]

Not hating on RW, but if we're going to get better we have to find the weak spots and eliminate them. Roy can tackle without swinging his entire body into the back of players knees, that's legal but it's dirty.

He can simply wrap the guy up and bring him down without throwing his body into the back of the knees. Both ways the guy comes down, but his way, the guy gets injured and IMO, it's a cheap shot. Don't play dirty, just play smart and with heart, that's all.

 

[Nav22]

I'd rather have a sure tackler than someone who once in a blue moon jacks someone up.

The "jacked-up" hits appear to be a thing of the past, unfortunately. I can't think of a single "Ooooh!" hit from him this entire season. He used to average one per game.

 

[TVMan]

Man, his tackling is so fundamentally unsound it's ridiculous. We're not saying not to tackle, but jeez, why not just wrap up and tackle like everyone else in the league?

Watch the play again, then tell me he could have simply just wrapped up. It's football. It's a violent game. People get hurt. Roy has hurt his share, so what.

Guys like Butkus did the same and they are looked at as Gods from the Golden Age. I hate what this game has come to.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

Watch the play again, then tell me he could have simply just wrapped up. It's football. It's a violent game. People get hurt. Roy has hurt his share, so what.

Guys like Butkus and they are looked as Gods from the Golden Age. I hate what this game has come to.

I just only see Roy doing it. I just don't understand why just a normal tackle wouldn't suffice when it does for everyone else in the league. I'm not trying to pick on him, but why doesn't he just hit someone and wrap up? I don't see why it's so hard.

And at no point do I think intentionally breaking someone's legs is a good idea. Whether it's intentional or not, it's a huge risk and we personally watched him do it to two people one year just by doing flopping on their legs. He doesn't need to do it to tackle. If that makes the NFL "pansy" or not as manly as it used to be, fine. I just think it's dirty.

 

[TVMan]

I just only see Roy doing it. I just don't understand why just a normal tackle wouldn't suffice when it does for everyone else in the league. I'm not trying to pick on him, but why doesn't he just hit someone and wrap up? I don't see why it's so hard.

And at no point do I think intentionally breaking someone's legs is a good idea. Whether it's intentional or not, it's a huge risk and we personally watched him do it to two people one year just by doing flopping on their legs. He doesn't need to do it to tackle. If that makes the NFL "pansy" or not as manly as it used to be, fine. I just think it's dirty.

So you honestly believe that Roy is doing this on purpose? That's pretty harsh dude.

I don't see what you have been convinced to see. I just see a guy playing hard.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I just don't think he's the sharpest knife in the drawer.

 

[CF74]

Maybe it's because he's shorter than most receivers:cunning:

 

[Bleu Star]

Wow. I can't believe you all are really debating whether or not Roy has found a way around the Horse Collar call. He may not be the most orthodox of tacklers but he gets the job done. I'm sure he hasn't been sitting home pondering ways to bend guys backwards while running at full speed without getting penalized.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I want to look at it again tonight.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Roy roughs people up = hes dirty.

Guys like Atwater, Lott, or Cecil rough people up = great players.

 

[sacase]

Wow, Roy plays a game and he makes no mistakes and the haters still find something hate on. LOL This is to funny. Please tell me what is a "normal" tackle on that play. The fastest way to bring the player down was exactly like he brought him down. Grab hold and drop your body weight to the ground and tangle up his legs so he can't run. Some of you guys need to lay off the Masingil.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I hate to say it, but I agree. The guy has lost something. I think a lot of it has to do with him having a string of bad coverage plays where he bit on the run and got beat deep back a couple of years ago. Now he just never seems to just let himself fully "go". It's like he's making absolutely sure what's going on before he commits instead of using his instincts like he did when he first got to the NFL.

I agree. And I've been as big a Roy fan as there was. But something is different about him the last year or so.

You know, it doesn't seem like it, but this is Roy's sixth year in the league now. That's a lot of collisions that have added up. Hate to say it, but he might be wearing down a little.