RT Cameron Fleming NFL ranking

[Verdict]

It would be hard to turn down several million in guaranteed money when you've been in the league 3 years at around 500K per AND you have 1 more season remaining at 500K before hitting free agency. An bad injury in that final year could mean you retire having made 2M instead of having at least 10M guaranteed coming to you.

Player risk is the leverage.

 

[dallasdave]

Kindness

Pass the butter please

 

[Them]

...25yr old Fleming, formerly of the Pats. can play swing tackle on both sides fairly well!

 

[BAT]

Luckily I can help you out.
http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2017/01/10/cowboys-hour-2016-tyron-smith-doug-free
http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2014/11/18/cowboys-hour-tyron-smith-and-doug-free

Smith, Martin and TFred all say Free was the leader of that OL that placed them in the Pro Bowl.

Parnell was overpaid because he was young with lots of upside. No one in Jax was excited about his first couple seasons.
They were winning 3-4 games and terrible.
His ACTUAL CAP HITS were
8m
6.5m
6.5m

Free was a better run blocker than Pass Blocker in the end and of course in 2016 Free helped Zeke run to the rushing title.
Free allowed 3 sacks in 2014
4 in 2015
before 7 in 2016(while shockingly being graded as the team's best run blocker internally).

Parnell allowed 3.5 sacks in 2015
5 sacks in 2016
before an excellent 1 sack last year.

Parnell was NEVER starting here over Doug Free.
NEVER. The team had him and didn't view him that way.
They viewed him as a great Swing OT.
So he moved on to make big money for a team who missed on draftee at OTs.
And after a couple of years of shoddy cap value he is now a good value because they front-loaded his deal.

https://www.all22.com/dallas-cowboys/smith-free-highlight-best-tackle-tandems-in-nfl


The Cowboys have tried to stake their identity as a "hard-nosed, run first" team. So losing a very good guard like LG Ron Leary hurts. He will be missed, as will the veteran leader of the o-line, Doug Free. I know that many fans saw Free as the weak link of the line, but the reality is that he was that group's leader and the consummate pro who played through painful foot injuries. Too often in life, we don't appreciate things until we don't have them anymore. Will that be the case with Leary & Free?


The best part of the Cowboys this year is the offensive line with three potential Pro Bowlers. Free is not one of those guys, but he is the unquestioned leader of the unit.

“Doug brings the things to the table that we don’t have as a young group, which is experience, the game intelligence that you learn just through the years and really that kind of sense of leadership as well as far as kind of pointing us in the right direction,” said center Travis Frederick, who along with Tyron Smith and Zack Martin could/should be making a trip to Hawaii. “He does a tremendous job at it, and we’re really glad to have him.”

Free is in his eighth year with the Cowboys, a fourth-round draft pick in 2007. Only Witten, Romo and L.P. Ladouceur have longer tenures with the Cowboys than Free.

“I’m not super old, but I’m definitely one of the older guys,” said Free, who turns 31 next month. “Kinda feel like I fill that role to some extent.”


But bigger than any of this is a simple fact.
Dallas lost Parnell and the OL got better. Much better.
They lost Free and the OL swan dived.
La'el Collins wasn't anywhere near as good or consistent as Doug Free.
And leadership had to be transferred to Frederick himself because Tyron is not a vocal guy.

Even when Free was here, Fredbeard quickly established himself as the on field leader. Not so certain that the loss of Free is what made the OL worse in 2017, he was in and out of lineup in 2016 without much if any fall off.

I believe loss of Romo (his input into game planning and play calling) and Zeke's off field issues were bigger contributors. Plus with Lael moving to RT, 2 positions were affected instead of just one.

 

[GORICO]

What was Collins ranking?

16...pretty darn good for your first year playing it in NFL...He will be elite soon

 

[GORICO]

According to this, Fleming is a decent swing tackle. I think we keep Collins at RT and draft a LG with Fleming filling in at swing tackle.

mr Wez--- i concurr...keep Collins RT..sign free agent or draft LG..and keep Flemming swing tackle

 

[GORICO]

That also would have removed the Leary to Cooper flow as well.


I still would take the Texas offensive tackle and Hernandez this draft, and be done with the upgrades and longevity of the unit, for the next five seasons.

I would give up some draft picks/future picks to land both players.


That, or just move up and take Edmunds, MLB.

CCboy--what round you expect the tackle from texas to go?

 

[GORICO]

He has proven to be better than Free. It's comical to discuss it at this point. In 7 games including 2 playoff games for the Cowboy in 2014 he gave up 1 sack.

Free gave up 9 sacks in his last season here.

Don't start with stupid misunderstandings of the cap. He got 5-years, 32M which is 6.4M average.

The fact that he got paid more than Free proved my point.

He was the beginning of quality free agent signings that took the Jaguars from perennial losers to being 1 game away from the Super Bowl.

The OL coach that Garrett ran off and that has been missed since he departed wanted to start Parnell over Free but Garrett blocked it from happening. Callahan even went directly to Jerry and the compromise was to rotate them per series for the final 4 games of 2012 (might have been 2013). One of the last on camera comments by Callahan before he departed was that the media should cover the story of how a college basketball player developed into a quality NFL OLineman.

Callahan made a lateral move to the Commanders when his contract was up because he and Garrett hated each other. There is NO question that Callahan is the better coach of the two.

Now Garrett continues the same concept of being attached to players the way he was with Free when he plays Witten 98% of the snaps in 2017.

Tyron, Fred and Martin were All-Pros by 2015. They didn't need Free to be their "leader". Also, I've never heard Tyron say the Free was a leader, Those are comments by Fred/Martin. Free's leadership was so effective that when he told the OL group to avoid talking to the media, Fred starting doing a weekly Radio show during the season on Local Sports Talk Radio. Martin joined him on several occasions. They laughed about how Free wanted everybody to have a minimal comment policy with the media (The previous OL group had a minimal comment to the media policy. Gurode did an after-game interview once and said he would get a big fine from the Kangaroo Court for doing the interview).

mr xwalker---- Oh man when i read stories like this..gets my blood boiling about Garrett...he has kept us from our top potential....many think this is his last year if he does not get us past division round of playoffs...but i think Jerrah loves him some Garrett...what do you think?

 

[GORICO]

Sorry Mr. GoRico,

That list is flawed.

Any legit list would have Jermey Parnell as #1 and would likely list the 2nd best guy starting at #11 just as a sign of respect.

The have him at #9.

9. Jermey Parnell, Jacksonville Jaguars

John Raoux/Associated Press

Pass Protection: 18/25
Run Block: 15/20
Power: 20/25
Agility: 15/20
Position Value: 8/10
Overall Grade: 76/100

Jacksonville's Jermey Parnell turned in his best season as a full-time starter in 2017. The long and physical tackle missed three games with a knee injury after he was hurt on the second-to-last play in a Week 9 victory over Cincinnati, but he returned in Week 13 to help lead the Jaguars to victory over the Colts.

Parnell is at his best when he can unload his strike and jolt defenders in pass protection, but he does show the range to cut edge-rushers off at the top of their rush. In the running game, Parnell generates power at the point of attack and is able to strike, leverage, drive and finish defenders. He plays with a nasty disposition and sets the tone for the physical Jacksonville offensive line.

Parnell is an ideal tackle for the offense the Jaguars prefer to run, as he's a technically sound mauler who enjoys latching onto a defender and pushing him back. Especially effective in short-yardage and goal-line situations. Parnell is one of the smartest power-blockers in the league.

yeah...NFL1000 apparently is not top shelf

 

[GORICO]

Please qualify that statement.

mr Philly--- i think i would be safe in my assumption that Flemming is better than 38th best tackle in NFL?...plus he is not fat hanging like Bell

 

[CCBoy]

CCboy--what round you expect the tackle from texas to go?

He should go in the first round...

 

[JustChip]

Byron Jones being the #4 SS tells me all i need to know about these rankings...lol

Or all you need to know about your perception(s).

 

[John813]

Sam Young at 37.
I must admit the dude has been a solid depth guy for Miami.
Forgot how bad he was with us for the Boys to give up so quickly on their own pick, but he's been a good swing tackle for Miami.

 

[JustChip]

According to this, Fleming is a decent swing tackle. I think we keep Collins at RT and draft a LG with Fleming filling in at swing tackle.

I agree. Position flex is nothing new to this team - ole Phil Pozderac was move all over the line except center and I that was only because he was too tall to bend over and see through his legs. Don't know how much it ultimately affected his effectiveness, but I got tired of hearing "holding, #75" or "false start, #75".

 

[JustChip]

Sam Young at 37.
I must admit the dude has been a solid depth guy for Miami.
Forgot how bad he was with us for the Boys to give up so quickly on their own pick, but he's been a good swing tackle for Miami.

Situation and circumstances make a huge difference. There's no doubt Cooper was helped this year playing between T Smith and Fredbeard. It'll be interesting to see if reverts to prior form in SF (I think that's where he signed).

 

[JustChip]

It would be hard to turn down several million in guaranteed money when you've been in the league 3 years at around 500K per AND you have 1 more season remaining at 500K before hitting free agency. An bad injury in that final year could mean you retire having made 2M instead of having at least 10M guaranteed coming to you.

Right. And I guarantee his agent would've advised against this. The player ultimately makes the decision, but there's a reason they pay their agents good $ - to advise them of the options and what is probably the best.

 

[jrumann59]

The New Guard Martin looks like with a little technique coaching could provide at minimum cooper level of play. This based off X's analysis which is pretty good, most of the time.

 

[conner01]

Fleming is basically Jermey Parnell. He's a swing OT who could grow into a solid starting RT.
He's 25. He is a Texas kid and went to Stanford so has a brain.
Parnell had started 0 games at age 25.

This is a really good signing. We don't know if he will develop and arch up but if Dallas can't afford to keep La'el Collins and Fleming develops as the RT it will look genius.

I don’t think he is near as good as Parnell was
He’s started several games and he’s been ok
He is a nice swing tackle but the team who knew him best didn’t want him as a starter

 

[Stash]

Free could run block. That’s about it.

He was a finesse blocker that never had power and relied on quick feet and technique. Age and injuries quickly took their toll on those quick feet, and by 2016 the guy was done. And credit and a big thanks to him for realizing it and saving this team from themselves. Otherwise, he would have been back and looked even worse.

 

[Stash]

Yes, Leary and Parnell were safe bets to be quality players.

Leary was unlikely to re-sign early because they basically just handed the job the La'el. It did start with Leary having an injury issue but then they kept La'el as the starter until some point when he was injured.

They had to see that Free was declining and was not that good anyway. I'm certain Callahan would have recommended re-signing Parnell over Free.

I think they were always afraid to depend on Leary due to the knee issue he had, ironic, since that's how they were able to get him in the first place.

But the Callahan - Garrett falling out certainly damaged what was shaping up to be an awesome line. Callahan is a proven malcontent, but unlike Jason Garrett, he's proven himself good at his job as well.