Rumor from NFLN on Brent's suspension

casmith07 said:
The suspension from the NFL would not be for "killing someone" but for violating the personal conduct policy. He drove drunk and therefore has to serve a suspension for it.

He would have served a suspension regardless.
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The two notions are not mutually exclusive. He broke the personal conduct policy by killing his friend. And there is no 'has to.' Goodell is completely arbitrary and can consider and do whatever he wants.
 
igtmfo said:
I'm not sure how many posters here have heard Brent speak, in conversation etc.

He's really well spoken, not a knucklehead, smart guy. ....

I have said before ... that is nice for the NFL to provide a "ride home" if you are drunk ... But the players with $100,000 cars in a bad part of town don't want to leave their cars there. .. want to drive them home themselves if they can ..

Rule should be:

1) NFL provides ride home if you are drunk (as it is now)
2) (My own NFL rule): NFL provides flat-bed tow truck to take your Mercedes etc. home ... (are all tows now on a flat bed? I'm getting old).

If this had been the case, Josh Brent wouldn't have driven that night. .. The team bus left the following morning 8 or 9 a.m. to the airport for the Packers game. .. Would you have wanted to leave your $100K car on a lot with hundreds of cars passing every hour for 2-3 days in a bad part of Dallas, to get picked apart for a few days until you got back from the Packers game, and then had to get a cab from the airport or Val Ranch over to that club etc. ? ...

No doubt Josh's car would have got some kind of theft ..

Of course Josh should have taken this into account, but ..
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I think that Brent has been harshly affected and his memories will remain on the surface today. He made an extremely poor set of decisions, but their effect has already been accepted. That is the most important aspect with an addict...and became just that, with his conviction.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
The two notions are not mutually exclusive. He broke the personal conduct policy by killing his friend. And there is no 'has to.' Goodell is completely arbitrary and can consider and do whatever he wants.
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This is Roger Goodell we're talking about.
 
igtmfo said:
I'm not sure how many posters here have heard Brent speak, in conversation etc.

He's really well spoken, not a knucklehead, smart guy. ....

I have said before ... that is nice for the NFL to provide a "ride home" if you are drunk ... But the players with $100,000 cars in a bad part of town don't want to leave their cars there. .. want to drive them home themselves if they can ..

Rule should be:

1) NFL provides ride home if you are drunk (as it is now)
2) (My own NFL rule): NFL provides flat-bed tow truck to take your Mercedes etc. home ... (are all tows now on a flat bed? I'm getting old).

If this had been the case, Josh Brent wouldn't have driven that night. .. The team bus left the following morning 8 or 9 a.m. to the airport for the Packers game. .. Would you have wanted to leave your $100K car on a lot with hundreds of cars passing every hour for 2-3 days in a bad part of Dallas, to get picked apart for a few days until you got back from the Packers game, and then had to get a cab from the airport or Val Ranch over to that club etc. ? ...

No doubt Josh's car would have got some kind of theft ..

Of course Josh should have taken this into account, but ..
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Just wow. I'm sorry -- this is a complete bunch of hoo-ha. In your post you basically blamed everybody BUT Josh Brent. There are so many things wrong with your post I don't even know where to start.

The NFL should have a provided him a flat-bed truck so his car wouldn't have been stolen?

Do you really believe all this stuff or was it sarcasm?
 
Vintage said:
He killed someone . They can't possibly give him just a four game suspension? That's on par with failing a drug test, lol.
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He isn't getting suspended for the accident of killing someone, he is getting 4 games for failing a drug test. He did his time for the manslaughter charge, the 4 games is for drug test
 
Basically, Brent is a moron who killed someone.
Goodell will want to appear tough. Though, it seems like there is little rhyme or reason to how length of suspensions are determined.

I just can't see how Goodell can save face with a four game suspension

Brent isn't some special talent. He was a borderline roster player to begin with. Add to that he hasn't played in awhile, this should be comical, when he does return.

it isn't a big loss if he suits up this year. It isn't a huge addition of he does play.
 
d_dub88 said:
Who said savior?

And how do you know that there will be a DT worth a crap in the draft and that we will get him?
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There will be a heck of a lot more players better than Brent available in the draft. Brent was a JAG to begin with, hasn't played football in a year and half. Faces a NFL suspension on top of that, not in football shape, don't know if his mind is focuses on football and will he even fit in the new 4-3 scheme. Don't hold your breath....

This guy is getting a 3rd, 4th, 5th chance to show he can be a SOBER person alone play NFL football......look at his history......look at his results...... look at the record of NFL players getting out of jail and returning to the NFL......even the most talented don't last long and not productive.... ala..Mike Vick..Plaxico Burress, and Danta Stallworth
 
Vintage said:
He missed games because he quit football to concentrate on the legal issues, then, because he was in jail. He didn't miss any games due to a suspension yet.

Why should he get credit for that?

That wasn't a penalty imposed on him by the NFL.
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The NFL punishment logic never makes sense to me but that appears to be part of the consideration for them.

The overall concept that the NFL has to punish players doesn't really make sense. We have a huge legal system for that purpose.

They just have to do it for PR because people want the "Rich Guys" to be accountable. If NFL players got paid minimum wage the general public would not care what they were doing. The fact that they're a bunch of rich guys that are seen as undeserving irritates the general pubic. It really irritates Joe Public that he put a lot of work into his career and doesn't get paid what these guys get paid because of their God-given athletic ability. The league punishment was a minimal concept back before the salaries got big. In the old days punishment was handled by Law Enforcement or by the Individual Teams.
 
Hey PerryKemp ..

A reply, including why my Public Storage got everything stolen out of there (about a block or 2 from the club Brent and his pal left from after a champagne night of course but ..

Have you ever been on the Interstate when there were no cars either side, either in your 3 lanes or the other 3 lanes on the other side of the median - let's say this is a rural area, or in West Texas.

You are driving free and easy and talking with friends the road is straight etc. and you look up and you are doing 90 MPH. Wow you think, and you back it down to 70 mph.

Brent was on an access road of 114 I think and he got on it just east of Carl Road (?) around where I went to school, Univ. of Dallas.

It was ridiculous for them to build 3 LANES ONE WAY out there because there is no traffic there (and badly lit), yet you can exit and you have 3 lanes where there is never anybody practically day or night that far east on that 114 access road. You can go fast for miles ... A pretty straight road, until it curved quick before some exit for a road intersecting.

Brent exited there and just like you and me, with not a single car around him, and 3 lanes of asphalt (my guess is) he thought he was driving in moderation but was driving 90 instead. A few beers and I would do the same, or do the same without any beers. Easy to drive 80 on a straight 3-lane feeder road when there are no cars around you for perspective, no exits hardly into your feeder road, not good lighting.

Easy to get discombobulated at 2 a.m. on the 114 feeder road out there, I know by experience.

To defend Brent is bad of course, but I would invite you to drive the same road at midnight/1 a.m. with no cars around you. You and I would lose perspective. That's what happened to Brent.
 
perrykemp said:
Just wow. I'm sorry -- this is a complete bunch of hoo-ha. In your post you basically blamed everybody BUT Josh Brent. There are so many things wrong with your post I don't even know where to start.
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Hey Perry sorry I'm off kilter, see my reply above, a few messages before this note, that is .. thnx
 
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I'd be a little surprised if he gets 4 games after Smith got a 9 game suspension today. But I can see the logic behind it if you basically include the fact that he's been out of football for approaching two years already.
 
Vintage said:
Basically, Brent is a moron who killed someone.
Goodell will want to appear tough. Though, it seems like there is little rhyme or reason to how length of suspensions are determined.

I just can't see how Goodell can save face with a four game suspension

Brent isn't some special talent. He was a borderline roster player to begin with. Add to that he hasn't played in awhile, this should be comical, when he does return.

it isn't a big loss if he suits up this year. It isn't a huge addition of he does play.
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The ship has sailed on goodell looking tough. Long before Rice. Hes arbitrary and thats all he'll ever be percieved as.
 
starfrombirth said:
I think Brent should be able to come back to the team when Brown does... That's fair isn't it?
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Next time I get a DUI and crash my car and kill someone, I get a big paycheck from Jerry Jones? Because that's what trying to happen right now. It makes me sick.. Almost to the point that if he does rejoin the Cowboys. I think I'm done.
 
Jerryrage said:
Next time I get a DUI and crash my car and kill someone, I get a big paycheck from Jerry Jones? Because that's what trying to happen right now. It makes me sick.. Almost to the point that if he does rejoin the Cowboys. I think I'm done.
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I guess I'll never understand this kind of position. He served the time he was handed by a court.

The victim's mother wants him on the team! The victim who was Brent's lifelong best friend, and having to live with that on his conscious for the rest of his life. What a hefty price.

So, every person who commits a crime is not allowed to work again? Is punishment supposed to be rehabilitative, to bring them back into society so they can contribute again? Especially if they are trained in a specific area? Or is punishment supposed to be revenge?

This is not aimed at you, Jerrysrage, many have this opinion and I simply don't understand it.
 
GoCowboysGo said:
I guess I'll never understand this kind of position. He served the time he was handed by a court.

The victim's mother wants him on the team! The victim who was Brent's lifelong best friend, and having to live with that on his conscious for the rest of his life. What a hefty price.

So, every person who commits a crime is not allowed to work again?
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So are you trying to tell me that if you or I killed someone in a DUI and went to prison that our jobs would be waiting for us when we got out? Even better, they would fire someone so that we could have it? I don't think so. He absolutely has a right to work. He just shouldn't have a guaranteed spot back at the same position that enabled it in the first place.
 
starfrombirth said:
So are you trying to tell me that if you or I killed someone in a DUI and went to prison that our jobs would be waiting for us when we got out? Even better, they would fire someone so that we could have it? I don't think so. He absolutely has a right to work. He just shouldn't have a guaranteed spot back at the same position that enabled it in the first place.
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No, I'm saying,eventually a person has a right to go back to work. And earn it back.
 
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