RUMOR: Norm Hitzges: Chiefs interested in trading LJ to Cowboys?

[Bob Sacamano]

Willie Parker did not carry the load at North Carolina. He's doing pretty well. I do not believe that is an indicator. Because if so, then Jones is no more equipped than Barber because he shared the load at Notre Dame.

I don't know of many college programs at all that do not use some sort of relief system for their backs. Even more split carries out of general principle as opposed to necessity. It is a trend that is becoming more frequent in more programs because it has its benefits.

 

[Vintage]

This is stupid and a waste of everybodies time. If you want to talk about football, get on with it. If not, then move on. Indulging you in this is not something that anybody, other then you, cares about. Lets just get back to talking about what we are all here to discuss. If you have a relavent point to make, make it.

No. Stupid and a waste of everyone's time was pointing out, in your opinion, that Larry Johnson has a finite shelf life.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No. Stupid and a waste of everyone's time was pointing out, in your opinion, that Larry Johnson has a finite shelf life.

In your opinion, isn't that so. The statement I made was fine and very relative. If you do not find it so, that is your problem. Fact remains, RBs with Johnson's particular style don't play for long periods of time in the NFL typically. If you have proof to the contrary, I'm happy to look at it. Until then, relax.

 

[Doomsday101]

Willie Parker did not carry the load at North Carolina. He's doing pretty well. I do not believe that is an indicator. Because if so, then Jones is no more equipped than Barber because he shared the load at Notre Dame.

I don't know of many college programs at all that do not use some sort of relief system for their backs. Even more split carries out of general principle as opposed to necessity. It is a trend that is becoming more frequent in more programs because it has its benefits.

I did not say there are exception, heck you can find exception in any argument but by and large guys who are limited in college and are not accustom to handling the ball 25 to 30 times a game normally will not be able to all of a sudden do it at this level. Pros do adjust to the talent that they are getting from the college ranks which was the point BP made.

 

[dogunwo]

There are two arguments here and they are getting crossed, and I think it is confusing people. The first one is "Is Johnson an upgrade over Jones and/or Barber?" I think the large majority of people here think so. The second is whether that upgrade is worth what you have to give up to get him and what you would have to pay him. This is where most of the disagreement comes in.

I am not so sure LJ is worth it.

 

[Alexander]

I did not say there are exception, heck you can find exception in any argument but by and large guys who are limited in college and are not accustom to handling the ball 25 to 30 times a game normally will not be able to all of a sudden do it at this level. Pros do adjust to the talent that they are getting from the college ranks which was the point BP made.

My point is that you will have a tough time finding college backs who carry the ball 25-30 times a game. Of the top 25 rushers in the NCAA last year, the average was right around 20 carries. Only two (Ray Rice and Mike Hart) even got 25 a game. So does that mean those other 23 backs cannot possibly carry the load?

By the way, Larry Johnson averaged 20 carries a game his final year at Penn State. Of course, this should have made everyone assume he could carry the load as a professional.

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

No thanks, especially when you have a chance of drafting Mcfadden, Slaton, or Stewart, along with a ton of other RBs. It will probably only cost us one pick to snag any of these guys anyways (Depending on the browns pick, we could have the first overall).

Who knows, one of our RB's could establish himself as a franchise player this year and we won't even have to draft another RB next year.

I wouldn't do it.

or OT Long from michigan....

 

[stag hunter]

The track record of RB's having as many touches as LJ did last year is not very good... almost all see a significant drop off in production the following season

 

[rgcowboys]

Wouldn't do the trade. L.J. will not be in the league that long. I wouldn't give a first round for him anyways. Lets see what our RBs do this year, you have some franchise backs coming out next year.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Johnson had trouble getting along with Paterno at Penn St and Vermeil in K.C.. These are Two well respected Grandfatherly types, why would the Cowboys want the Headache?, plus no way do we give them Cleveland's Number 1. JJ and a 3rd, I'll think about it.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

I say hell no... Bad Idea.. Larry Johnson ain't worth that much of getting... L.T. on the other hand we probably could make a deal but for Larry Johnson.. I don't think so... Not barber or the cleveland brown first round draft choice.

 

[dbair1967]

I cant believe there's this many pages and posts about something that definitely is NOT going to happen

David

 

[dogunwo]

I cant believe there's this many pages and posts about something that definitely is NOT going to happen

David

Its the offseason.

 

[superpunk]

I cant believe there's this many pages and posts about something that definitely is NOT going to happen

David

Nice read, thanks for sharing.

 

[GlitzCowboy]

Everyone loves the backup running back until he's the starter..

Unless of coarse it's the backup runner that's always been the starter. In JuJo's case.

Face it, Bill had wood for him just like he's always had wood for Terry. Two in the same and both need to go imo now that Bill is long gone too. Incorporating the Whine-Whine Baby Factory is just not in my taste for the Dallas Cowboys.

Feeling entitlement only works well for those who have performed at a level that entitles them to entitlement. It's a simple concept. It's how the ones that are worth it get paid, and how the ones that aren't worth it drive up the cost of player personal in the NFL and all Professional Sports.

Continuing this charade with this very limited rb, waiting and hoping for his "contract break-out year" not only discredits the Dallas Cowboys, but the NFL and the players as a whole.

Jerry could take a few lessons from our very own history from before he was owner. Duane Thomas was "all that" too. He needs to ask himself, why in the hell would we break the bank and go get a guy like Tony D when we already had the second coming in our midst?

Julius Jones (Literally) = Duane Thomas. Just not as good as Thomas. Not even close.

How does this travesty even remain a discussion? Quincy was going to have a "breakout year". Bryant was going to have a "breakout year". Ross was going to have a "breakout year". And the list could go on and on. And that's just the last 4 years.

Why is JuJo so special to some people? A question I would really like to discover one of these years. Though as you claim "THIS IS THE YEAR"! Yay, the waiting must be over.....................................................

 

[GlitzCowboy]

As for LJ. Undoubtedly I'd bring him in. A contract as lucritive and as similar to TO's contract. Both parties happy. Both parties safe. Just no CLEV pick next year, that's ours! Easily though I'd give them our #1.


However, seriously, I wouldn't part ways with the TD Scoring Machine in a million years! It's they take JuJo instead or no deal!

Surprising how noone seems to want anything to do with JuJo though,.. well, I mean except for a few of the Cowboy Fans. But no other team wants him. Hmm. And he's so great too..................

 

[Hostile]

As for LJ. Undoubtedly I'd bring him in. A contract as lucritive and as similar to TO's contract. Both parties happy. Both parties safe. Just no CLEV pick next year, that's ours! Easily though I'd give them our #1.


However, seriously, I wouldn't part ways with the TD Scoring Machine in a million years! It's they take JuJo instead or no deal!

Surprising how noone seems to want anything to do with JuJo though,.. well, I mean except for a few of the Cowboy Fans. But no other team wants him. Hmm. And he's so great too..................

Then tell me why the Jets and Bills inquired about him before the Draft, and why we turned them down.

Yeah, I can back that up.

This is what happens when you adopt a silly agenda.

 

[kTXe]

Then tell me why the Jets and Bills inquired about him before the Draft, and why we turned them down.

Yeah, I can back that up.

This is what happens when you adopt a silly agenda.

Any idea what they were offering?

 

[Hostile]

Any idea what they were offering?

Buffalo was offering the #12 pick for our #22 and Julius Jones if Marshawn Lynch was off the board.

From the get go Dallas wanted Spencer and didn't want to take him at 12, so that offer wasn't what they were looking for. They would have taken him at 22 had the Browns offer not been so good.

The Jets reportedly inquired about him last year actually. It's early.

 

[AbeBeta]

Buffalo was offering the #12 pick for our #22 and Julius Jones if Marshawn Lynch was off the board.

From the get go Dallas wanted Spencer and didn't want to take him at 12, so that offer wasn't what they were looking for. They would have taken him at 22 had the Browns offer not been so good.

The Jets reportedly inquired about him last year actually. It's early.

That of course would have given them both Thomas and Julius Jones in the backfield. Not as balanced a combination as you'd like as their games are similar - however, you certainly wouldn't hear any complaining about carries (although I think JJ and MBIII both handle sharing very well).

I do agree -- the idea that JJ has no value is silly. If his value is limited it is because he is UFA at the end of the year, not because of his skills.