RUMOR: Norm Hitzges: Chiefs interested in trading LJ to Cowboys?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Good post slick. The notion that Johnson is somehow comparable to JJ/MB3 is laughable. I mean, the tandem nearly produced on par with Tomlinson, too.

The real point is how much better we'd be if that #1 back was Johnson, instead of Julius. I hate that Parcells decided two-back was the way to go. I need a stud.

Thanks there ACE. Coming from you, I think I'll just forget you've posted and move on.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

True. I do agree with Parcells regarding the reason and that is so many college RB are not asked to carry the load and if you’re not doing it at the college level then chances are you’re not going to be able to do so at the Pro level. Guys like LT and LJ did carry the load in college and they are showing they can do it at this level as well.

But for how long Dooms? That's an awful lot of money we are on the hook for if he can only produce like that for say 5 seasons or so.

 

[ZeroClub]

I doubt there are many here who'd take on salary cap hell in order to sign Larry Johnson.

I doubt Jerry Jones would take on salary cap hell to sign Larry Johnson.

But people should not doubt Jerry Jones' ability to negotiate contracts that work for both sides. He's a master at this. Sure, it'd be a tough assignment, but Jones is pretty good at tough business assignments.

... it wasn't but about a year ago or so that Jones negotiated a deal that paid for Terrell Owens while providing reasonable protections for the Cowboys. Prior to that deal, lots of folks didn't think that could happen.

IMO, you gotta show some restraint about declaring something "impossible" where Jerry Jones is involved.

 

[superpunk]

Thanks there ACE. Coming from you, I think I'll just forget you've posted and move on.

You should revere me. Most of that post was for slick. Don't get huffy.

But for how long Dooms?

Well, we've already established that his shelf life is not infinite...I would say we can expect him to play at a high level until he ceases to perform at a high level.

 

[Alexander]

if you’re not doing it at the college level then chances are you’re not going to be able to do so at the Pro level.

Willie Parker did not carry the load at North Carolina. He's doing pretty well. I do not believe that is an indicator. Because if so, then Jones is no more equipped than Barber because he shared the load at Notre Dame.

I don't know of many college programs at all that do not use some sort of relief system for their backs. Even more split carries out of general principle as opposed to necessity. It is a trend that is becoming more frequent in more programs because it has its benefits.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I doubt there are many here who'd take on salary cap hell in order to sign Larry Johnson.

I doubt Jerry Jones would take on salary cap hell to sign Larry Johnson.

But people should not doubt Jerry Jones' ability to negotiate contracts that work for both sides. He's a master at this. Sure, it'd be a tough assignment, but Jones is pretty good at tough business assignments.

... it wasn't but about a year ago or so that Jones negotiated a deal that paid for Terrell Owens while providing reasonable protections for the Cowboys. Prior to that deal, lots of folks didn't think that could happen.

IMO, you gotta show some restraint about declaring something "impossible" where Jerry Jones is involved.

Well, as I said earlier, if we could get a deal done that was for a 2nd Rd pick and MB and a more reasonable contract, then I'd be good with this. However, I don't know that it's possible. I think the point you make is a good one but I'd also say that not every deal is possible. Sometimes, you just gotta walk away from some deals and Jerry would be the first to say that IMO.

 

[burmafrd]

JJ did carry the load the last 9 games of the season. So he did have SOME time as the #1 back. If Losingham was not so stubborn he would have started even earlier then that.

 

[jazzcat22]

If I were KC, I would be willing to trade LJ for eight month old french fries out of a McDonald's dumpster and would consider that a steal for KC.

:angryno:

I hate LJ and absolutely do not even want him in the great State of Texas.

Yeah, watch them trash dumpsters, T. Glenn may have urinated on them fries.....

Well, norm somtimes can be off on a tangent, and this was kind of one of them. However, at least he wasn't on his STEROIDS kick and talked about them for 2 hours.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You should revere me. Most of that post was for slick. Don't get huffy.



Well, we've already established that his shelf life is not infinite...I would say we can expect him to play at a high level until he ceases to perform at a high level.

In your mind, I'm certain that's true but it's pretty unlikely.

I'd follow that up by saying that the second part of your post is about as on the money as I've ever seen you post. You think that's a good thing or a bad thing?

 

[Doomsday101]

But for how long Dooms? That's an awful lot of money we are on the hook for if he can only produce like that for say 5 seasons or so.

I don't think that can be predicted to say Johnson will only be good for 4 or 5 more years. I think if continues getting over 400 carries a season the end will come sooner but in Dallas I don't think he would be asked to carry the ball to that extent. What I do know is having an elite RB puts major pressure on the defense and does help open the passing lanes as teams start to stack the line to stop the run. As for the money I agree it is a lot but I would also state that he has been in the top 3 in rushing total over the last 2 years or basically since he has became a starter. I have also said as the rumor stands right now no I would not give up Barber and Cleveland’s 1st to do this but for a player and a 3rd or 2nd I would find it hard to pass up one of the top RB's in the league.

 

[superpunk]

In your mind, I'm certain that's true but it's pretty unlikely.

I'd follow that up by saying that the second part of your post is about as on the money as I've ever seen you post. You think that's a good thing or a bad thing?

:laugh2: It's sad when you try to hang with the big boys.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think that can be predicted to say Johnson will only be good for 4 or 5 more years. I think if continues getting over 400 carries a season the end will come sooner but in Dallas I don't think he would be asked to carry the ball to that extent. What I do know is having an elite RB puts major pressure on the defense and does help open the passing lanes as teams start to stack the line to stop the run. As for the money I agree it is a lot but I would also state that he has been in the top 3 in rushing total over the last 2 years or basically since he has became a starter. I have also said as the rumor stands right now no I would not give up Barber and Cleveland’s 1st to do this but for a player and a 3rd or 2nd I would find it hard to pass up one of the top RB's in the league.

I agree, you can not predict how long but you can make an educated guess based on past history. History suggests that players who have simular running styles, Campbell, Rodgers, George, Davis, they all had simular issues. They hit the wall and they never did come back. I just believe that there is only a certain amount of carries in any back and that count goes down the more you punish your body. LJ is exactly that kind of runner IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

:laugh2: It's sad when you try to hang with the big boys.

What's sad is you look at your self and see "Big Boy"

 

[superpunk]

What's sad is you look at your self and see "Big Boy"

ZING!

 

[ZeroClub]

Well, as I said earlier, if we could get a deal done that was for a 2nd Rd pick and MB and a more reasonable contract, then I'd be good with this.

That means you and I are on the same page.

However, I don't know that it's possible. I think the point you make is a good one but I'd also say that not every deal is possible. Sometimes, you just gotta walk away from some deals and Jerry would be the first to say that IMO.

One of the things that most of us like about Jones is that he isn't afraid to think big and explore the possibilities. If it could be pulled it off, Jerry would be one of the guys who could do it.


Again, assuming that some spare team, like the Cardinals, didn't offer a foolishly sweeter deal.

 

[sonnyboy]

Great thread and interesting trade senario.

I've always been a big believer in the value of both a franchise QB and a franchise RB bring to the table.

You need talent across the board and talent at each position helps.

However, QB and RB stand out. They simply impact the game much much more than any other player.

Sooooo... acquiring top talent at one of those postions has to be considered.

LJ is dominant. I've seen enough of him to know that. One game that stands out was 2005 in Dallas. He was killing us that day. Can't remember any back or team running on us like he did.

However, the play of the game was one he didn't make.
Scott Fujita comes on a strong side blitz and runs right through a pathetic attempt of blocking by Johnson. Fumble, long run back. It changed the whole game. We would not have won that day without that play.

That left a bad taste in my mouth as far as LJ goes.
Don't think he's a winner and I don't think I want him in Dallas.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

ZING!

This is stupid and a waste of everybodies time. If you want to talk about football, get on with it. If not, then move on. Indulging you in this is not something that anybody, other then you, cares about. Lets just get back to talking about what we are all here to discuss. If you have a relavent point to make, make it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That means you and I are on the same page.

One of the things that most of us like about Jones is that he isn't afraid to think big and explore the possibilities. If it could be pulled it off, Jerry would be one of the guys who could do it.


Again, assuming that some spare team, like the Cardinals, didn't offer a foolishly sweeter deal.

I agree. Jerry is a guy who has made his life out of doing deals that nobody else could see the value in or even how to go about getting them done. I am a huge fan of Jones. I just don't know if LJ would come off his previous statements on what he want's out of his next contract. If we could somehow even this thing out a bit, I'd be real happy with a deal for LJ. Then, it would make financial sense and I could see the value in it. That would be a real feather in Jerry's cap. No question, no arguement.

 

[superpunk]

This is stupid and a waste of everybodies time. If you want to talk about football, get on with it. If not, then move on. Indulging you in this is not something that anybody, other then you, cares about. Lets just get back to talking about what we are all here to discuss. If you have a relavent point to make, make it.

My bad. I was just trying to give you some propers there for the clever way you basically restated exactly what I just said. You're right, it's time to move on.

Hugs and kisses? :

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

My bad. I was just trying to give you some propers there for the clever way you basically restated exactly what I just said. You're right, it's time to move on.

Hugs and kisses? :

Thank you.