Run the friggin ball!

[ABQCOWBOY]

Style of play may become an area of information for the coaching staff. It could also landmark similar traits in a future quarterback, and when to give him that leeway as an element of his own progression. A younger quarterback becoming an actual Brady or Lee, after being schooled for a much shorter period of time. The management tool that comes with that specific area of experiences now.

I'm not sure what you are getting at here. When I ask, "How So?", I was specifically referring to Romo.

As to Tony, he has been given this 'new' head as part of the Garrett philosophy of play. That has to be ironed out, even with a new coordinator in the mix. There is also an immediacy to change, and it is already a functional element in Tony Romo's defined job description. That must improve right now, although...

Tony has been running Garrett's offense since 2007. I think he's never going to be Manning or Brees.

 

[Ultra Warrior]

Murray getting more touchs probably wouldn't have changed the outcome you are right. But we would have scored more points if he had.

You don't know that & neither do I.

 

[Ultra Warrior]

But, of course, if you continually miss reads. Be late on throws and and throw THREE INTS, TWO in the Redzone...

Keep giving that guy the ball.. LOL

Good lord.

Still not a GUARANTEE that he gets in the endzone either. After all, he had a Turnover in the game as well.

 

[khiladi]

I modified it to say TDs. Maybe it's the passing plays we choose that Romo audibles from that is particularly garbage. But then again, I think this was just Romo shaking the rust off and not practiust acing much this off-season.

Actually, I just noticed how good Detroit was in the red-zone the last couple of years. It would be hard to argue that it was play-design from those stats alone. But like I said, I think it was more rust and not practicing.

The point about last year was to show Romo can be efficient in the red-zone. With Garrett as a play-caller though, he wasn't as a trend.

 

[CCBoy]

I'm not sure what you are getting at here. When I ask, "How So?", I was specifically referring to Romo.
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Tony is still having to adapt to a changing view of importance of various plays in a designed scheme for a particular team. Vertical patterns are a keynote right now. What happens if patterns of routes more closely match Tony's delivering preferences, and not expectations going to a team forced bias? Does Tony get even more efficient as well as given similar control that a Drew Brees or Payton Manning now are given?

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Tony has been running Garrett's offense since 2007. I think he's never going to be Manning or Brees.

And with that view, is the removal of adaptable elements that would allow for his production to be more effective at game changing points of a match-up.

Right now, with an injury question in one's quarterback and an adaptation to a coordinator's role is in flux...it would be very hard to see what I was discussing, beyond a conceptual basis. Kind of like expecting a field Officer in Viet Nam to grasp that his principals of battle set him above the fracas when his instincts were at a fight or flight level. But in a history of defeating an Army that attempted to defeat immediate causes didn't stand up to principals behind those very actions.

 

[Doomsday101]

2nd and 1 from the Niners 2 yard line and you don't run the ball? We agree to disagree.

Would I ever pass on 2nd and 1? Yes. Would I run in that situation as well? Yes. There is not just 1 call I have watched the NFL long enough to know teams will throw even in that situation key still comes down to one simple thing your QB making the right decision, if the play is not there you throw through the back of the end zone and now are looking at 3rd and 1. When people claim there is only 1 call then I disagree with that. Every team out there at one time or another has faked the run, rolled out or hit the quick pass in this situation. But of course this is Dallas where when things do not go right we will over analyze it

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Would I ever pass on 2nd and 1? Yes. Would I run in that situation as well? Yes. There is not just 1 call I have watched the NFL long enough to know teams will throw even in that situation key still comes down to one simple thing your QB making the right decision, if the play is not there you throw through the back of the end zone and now are looking at 3rd and 1. When people claim there is only 1 call then I disagree with that. Every team out there at one time or another has faked the run, rolled out or hit the quick pass in this situation. But of course this is Dallas where when things do not go right we will over analyze it

As I said, we disagree.

 

[Doomsday101]

As I said, we disagree.

Your right.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And with that view, is the removal of adaptable elements that would allow for his production to be more effective at game changing points of a match-up.

Right now, with an injury question in one's quarterback and an adaptation to a coordinator's role is in flux...it would be very hard to see what I was discussing, beyond a conceptual basis. Kind of like expecting a field Officer in Viet Nam to grasp that his principals of battle set him above the fracas when his instincts were at a fight or flight level. But in a history of defeating an Army that attempted to defeat immediate causes didn't stand up to principals behind those very actions.

None of this relates to Romo's ability to be Manning or Romo, so far as I can tell.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We did run the ball particularly through the first three quarters.

In fact they ran the ball on that second drive of the second half where we got the second TD. It ran the clock over 7 minutes too which didn't help us win.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Would I ever pass on 2nd and 1? Yes.

With our defense plus the way we had been running with Murray plus the investment in OL that should allow us to run the correct decision was to run the ball. If Romo didn't like the play that was sent in he should have ran a QB sneak. Would I pass in that situation? Yes but not at the 2 yard line.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We did run the ball particularly through the first three quarters.

In fact they ran the ball on that second drive of the second half where we got the second TD. It ran the clock over 7 minutes too which didn't help us win.

I think that you have to context this with point swings and the fact that we were in good position to score on those drives. If you score by running the ball in, that doesn't really take too much time away from what we already had. Your point about time consumption is valid but that's pretty much after the ball game had already been thrown away, so to speak.

 

[CCBoy]

None of this relates to Romo's ability to be Manning or Romo, so far as I can tell.

I'll tell you what, it sure meant a lot to a body count of Viet Cong...

 

[Doomsday101]

We did run the ball particularly through the first three quarters.

In fact they ran the ball on that second drive of the second half where we got the second TD. It ran the clock over 7 minutes too which didn't help us win.

I agree, 2nd half of the game I expect to run some but I felt we should have been throwing a lot more you don't come back with 7 min drives 5 yards at a time. Dallas needed quick strikes to have a chance.

 

[CCBoy]

With our defense plus the way we had been running with Murray plus the investment in OL that should allow us to run the correct decision was to run the ball. If Romo didn't like the play that was sent in he should have ran a QB sneak. Would I pass in that situation? Yes but not at the 2 yard line.

...Yes, you'd guess the Cowboys would run the ball. Two shots at a yard, give it to Murray and let's go. That's what the Cowboys were also thinking on the play. Look at the lineup they had out on the field initially on the play, before they called timeout with the play-clock running down.



That, my friends, is the jumbo set. Extra left tackle? Check (red arrow: Jeremy Parnell). Two tight ends? Check (yellow arrow: Witten, Hanna). Fullback? Check (green arrow: Tyler Clutts). The Cowboys are going to run the ball, (unless they were going to be tricky and pass out of that formation which is definitely possible!) It looks like they're going to pound it down the 49ers throats. But the play clock runs down and the Cowboys are forced to call a timeout...

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014...lay-that-underscores-why-the-cowboys-continue

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'll tell you what, it sure meant a lot to a body count of Viet Cong...

Perhaps but this is about Football, not the War in Vietnam.

 

[Doomsday101]

With our defense plus the way we had been running with Murray plus the investment in OL that should allow us to run the correct decision was to run the ball. If Romo didn't like the play that was sent in he should have ran a QB sneak. Would I pass in that situation? Yes but not at the 2 yard line.

I have never said we should not run but that does not mean I would not pass. Romo has to get rid of it, if the play is not there. The mistake was forcing the ball when there was no need to do it. Other teams manage to do this and hit wide open targets as the line is stacked.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think that you have to context this with point swings and the fact that we were in good position to score on those drives. If you score by running the ball in, that doesn't really take too much time away from what we already had. Your point about time consumption is valid but that's pretty much after the ball game had already been thrown away, so to speak.

We ran in the first half too. I have done my first rewatch of the condensed film. Martin and Fred were magnificent running the ball in the first half.

Has anyone ran the stats quarter by quarter yet or as usual people simply assuming their bias is correct?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We ran in the first half too. I have done my first rewatch of the condensed film. Martin and Fred were magnificent running the ball in the first half.

Has anyone ran the stats quarter by quarter yet or as usual people simply assuming their bias is correct?

All three INTs were in the first half I believe. The problem is not that we didn't run the ball IMO. The problem is that when it made the most sense to run, we went away from it.

 

[CCBoy]

Perhaps but this is about Football, not the War in Vietnam.

Not out in left field here...a principal applied, is relevant, and not limited to a single sport. Football or another.

How would Romo look, if instead of throwing a bunch of deep patterns to Dez Bryant, and into a forced double coverage...crossing patterns and shorter routes were instead thrown to Dez? Then increased with play action and other routes as with both Harris and Beasley worked harder. Romo wouldn't move into a view of similar effectiveness?