Running Back Top Priority

[BrassCowboy]

Games are won at the line of scrimmage if you can consistently get pressure on the QB you can force them into errors and mistakes.

We have a bunch of CB's and WR's on our roster now but only one RB.

I'm not sold on our back RB being just some random. The saints spent the #2 pick on reggie bush when they already had Duece Mcallister and Aaronn stecker. RB's aren't a dime a dozen some are cuts above the rest theres no need for me to go into that. Also AP was drafted 7th by the Vikings when they already had Chester Taylor why didn't they just say heck we can get RB in 5th and just ride Chester Taylor ?

ok so what good does a 2nd RB make if you have to bench him because you are so dang busy throwing every down to try and stay up with your opponent who is throwing to that 3rd, 4th, and 5th WR who are too busy being open allthewhile laughing at who we have covering them?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Dude, seriously. This Chris Johnson love you feel has completely destroyed your sense of reality.

this has nothing to do with CJ but w.e

 

[ndanger]

Ok having quality corners means nothing I'm sorry but i haven't seen a team win because they had 3 quality corners. Football games are won through the line of scrimmage. Just because RB's come and go in the league i fail to see how that pushes down the priority. Like based on your theory you can slot any random RB and expect ok results I just don't realize how quick ppl can forget how we passed on Stephen Jackson to get into the 2nd round and pick up JJ and we see how that went.

did you come up with that one all by yourself

Sorry, sleep deprivation is starting to take it's toll.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

This is a little close to nitpicking. I doubt anyone would jump off a bridge if one the top two or three running backs fall in our lap and we wait until the next two picks to address DB and WR. Point is that most Draft forecasts show that the best value there when we pick will most likely be DB followed by WR.

Now Linebacker, that would be a different story.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

ok so what good does a 2nd RB make if you have to bench him because you are so dang busy throwing every down to try and stay up with your opponent who is throwing to that 3rd, 4th, and 5th WR who are too busy being open allthewhile laughing at who we have covering them?

If a team can pass on us all day then lets look at the pass protection and the time the QB is allowed in the pocket and the can we start realize where the problem really lies?

 

[Q_the_man]

Normally when u take a RB in the first round he is projected as a starter, here he would be a back-up, all in all I like Ray Rice and Mike Hart.....and oh Mcfadden...not sold on Mendenhall, Stewart to me is OK he will be a decent back i think.......

 

[jterrell]

Hmmm let's see Giants no solid number one Colts no solid number one and Steelers no solid number one. None of these teams had good corners or 3 quality corners yet for some reason they won the superbowl. They same could even be said for the pat's because out side of Samuel they didn't have any one. Rams defense was terrible also. Ravens one of the better defense we seen in years didn't have 3 quality corners. All these teams won super bowls though.

That would all be fine if it were only true.

The Giants drafted Aaron Ross in round 1 and he became their lead corner. They also had paid Sam Madison a ton of money in free agency and previously drafted Corey Webster. The Giants have invested at CB and on the DL. At running back they are using a hodge podge of guys lead at the end of the year by previously unknown Ahmed Bradshaw. They actually lost one of the top 5 running backs in football with Tiki retiring yet got better.....

The Colts win by passing the football. They can run and run it well but only because they pass so well teams are forced to sit back in cover 2 or be picked apart all day long. They have drafted top flight WR after top flight WR, they drafted Marlin Jackson in round 1 and he is their lead CB. Kelvin Hayden on the other side is a former 2nd round pick. Joseph Addai is a good player but he was a very late first rounder and spent a lot of last season injured.

The Pats have good corners and continually draft them. They do not even pretend to run the ball half the time. They have made deep playoff runs with a number of different running backs. When they wanted to get better what did they do? Reload at WR.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Normally when u take a RB in the first round he is projected as a starter, here he would be a back-up, all in all I like Ray Rice and Mike Hart.....and oh Mcfadden...not sold on Mendenhall, Stewart to me is OK he will be a decent back i think.......

Cedric Benson, Adrian Peterson, Maurice Jones Drew, Reggie Bush would disagree with you.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

That would all be fine if it were only true.

The Giants drafted Aaron Ross in round 1 and he became their lead corner. They also had paid Sam Madison a ton of money in free agency and previously drafted Corey Webster. The Giants have invested at CB and on the DL. At running back they are using a hodge podge of guys lead at the end of the year by previously unknown Ahmed Bradshaw. They actually lost one of the top 5 running backs in football with Tiki retiring yet got better.....

The Colts win by passing the football. They can run and run it well but only because they pass so well teams are forced to sit back in cover 2 or be picked apart all day long. They have drafted top flight WR after top flight WR, they drafted Marlin Jackson in round 1 and he is their lead CB. Kelvin Hayden on the other side is a former 2nd round pick. Joseph Addai is a good player but he was a very late first rounder and spent a lot of last season injured.

The Pats have good corners and continually draft them. They do not even pretend to run the ball half the time. They have made deep playoff runs with a number of different running backs. When they wanted to get better what did they do? Reload at WR.

So aaron ross and sam madison is better than Tnewman and Henry. Sam madison is past his prime and you didn't name that 3 quality starter that needs to be able to be a starter Webster sucks. The only decent one is Ross he didn't start until half way through the season.

What who are these corners that your naming. I remember Jason David be on that team and he's a bum. The corners are soft they get by off the pash rush of Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis. Addai is extremely good.

All the WR were accquired during FA their draft picks have barely touched the field. You can't even name their corners from when they won the superbowl which kind of proves my point.

 

[TheCount]

this has nothing to do with CJ but w.e

Oh please, we all see right through you.

You've got us taking C.J. with the #22 pick (higher than ANYONE predicts he'll go), make a thread about RB being a top priority, and this has nothing to do with CJ?

 

[BrassCowboy]

If you can honestly find one professional scout tell me that we need a RB more than a CB, I will eat my own shoe.

Who did Emmitt have backing him up that was worth top pick? Who backed up Tony Dorsett?
why stop there - who backed up Walter Payton? who backed up Thurman Thomas?

RB is normally a one guy deal. WR and CB are normally atleast 2 guys or more.
In todays NFL as pass happy as it is and with the more intricate complex WR lineups, you need to have atleast half way decent backups at CB. Look what happen to us last year with Jacques Reeves? Someone posted stats that showed what happened when teams threw in Reeves direction, and I thought Reeves was halfway decent!!! the guys we have now backing up Newman and Henry make Reeves look like a top pick in the draft, like the next 100 million dollar man.... you know what I mean?!

 

[Stash]

Looks like someone didn't think this through.....

 

[BrassCowboy]

Cedric Benson, Adrian Peterson, Maurice Jones Drew, Reggie Bush would disagree with you.

Reggie Bush? Do you still think he is worth that 2nd pick? I don't. He is turning out to not be that true runner a 2nd pick would warrant.

 

[jterrell]

Name one team with 3 starting caliber CB. Crayton is a solid #2 just because he had messed up in the playoffs doesn't negate what he did during the regular season.

Every team in the league is forced to play 3 CBs a lot. Those teams who can do without getting abused win games. Some teams trick it up like the Pats and soem have specialists, like here where TNew goes inside to play the slot or NYG where Aaron Ross plays the slot guys. I don't know any team with 3 great CBs but Philly had 2 good ones during their NFC best years and the Ravens were very strong at one point as well. The Chargers last year had 3 starters if the money paid this off-season to their top backup is any indication. Dallas actually lost their 3rd guy to go on and become a starter as well. The Bears had 3 starters on the roster as well 2 years ago.

It is the offseason and teams are rearranging depth charts but every team will consider their top 3 CBs of serious importance entering the year and right now Dallas 3rd CB is ... perhaps Alan Ball.

Dallas' need is made that much bigger because both of our CBs suffered injuries recently. Add in Henry's age and lack of foot speed and we really need a CB who can be the number 2 early on and hopefully the lead guy when TNew ages a bit more. Our own Pro Bowl running back was a mere 4th round pick and there are lots of running backs available. We can sign Kevin Jones today if we want. At CB it cost you a small mint to sign anyone who can breathe. There is zero arguing where the value is at in the eyes of the NFL.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

If you can honestly find one professional scout tell me that we need a RB more than a CB, I will eat my own shoe.

Who did Emmitt have backing him up that was worth top pick? Who backed up Tony Dorsett?
why stop there - who backed up Walter Payton? who backed up Thurman Thomas?

RB is normally a one guy deal. WR and CB are normally atleast 2 guys or more.
In todays NFL as pass happy as it is and with the more intricate complex WR lineups, you need to have atleast half way decent backups at CB. Look what happen to us last year with Jacques Reeves? Someone posted stats that showed what happened when teams threw in Reeves direction, and I thought Reeves was halfway decent!!! the guys we have now backing up Newman and Henry make Reeves look like a top pick in the draft, like the next 100 million dollar man.... you know what I mean?!

Tell me what running in the league is Emmitt Walter Thurman or Tony Dorsett there isn't so your point is out the window there aren't RB's like that any more.

I'm still waiting for this question to be answered what team in the NFL has 3 quality starter CB's. like i said before i don't care if you pass the ball 40-50 times a game the pass rush needs to get there.

 

[BrassCowboy]

If a team can pass on us all day then lets look at the pass protection and the time the QB is allowed in the pocket and the can we start realize where the problem really lies?

O come on, I am really beginning to think you do have a motive here because to think we can fix this with a nice speech or a higher paid coaching staff is really reaching...

If, as expected by everything I been reading, decent running backs fall to our 2nd first pick or 2nd round pick, why wouldn't you pick up a higher quality CB that this draft is scarcer on?

As far as your protection scheme theory is concerned, the same could be said the other way around: decent DEs and LBs could not get to the QB fast enough because QB did not have any trouble finding someone open. DBs need to cover a little longer.

 

[DR.WARE]

i would definetly want th cowboys to take a corner in the first round

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Every team in the league is forced to play 3 CBs a lot. Those teams who can do without getting abused win games. Some teams trick it up like the Pats and soem have specialists, like here where TNew goes inside to play the slot or NYG where Aaron Ross plays the slot guys. I don't know any team with 3 great CBs but Philly had 2 good ones during their NFC best years and the Ravens were very strong at one point as well. The Chargers last year had 3 starters if the money paid this off-season to their top backup is any indication. Dallas actually lost their 3rd guy to go on and become a starter as well. The Bears had 3 starters on the roster as well 2 years ago.

It is the offseason and teams are rearranging depth charts but every team will consider their top 3 CBs of serious importance entering the year and right now Dallas 3rd CB is ... perhaps Alan Ball.

Dallas' need is made that much bigger because both of our CBs suffered injuries recently. Add in Henry's age and lack of foot speed and we really need a CB who can be the number 2 early on and hopefully the lead guy when TNew ages a bit more. Our own Pro Bowl running back was a mere 4th round pick and there are lots of running backs available. We can sign Kevin Jones today if we want. At CB it cost you a small mint to sign anyone who can breathe. There is zero arguing where the value is at in the eyes of the NFL.

Micheal Turner was a back up RB and got 6 year 42 mill. Matt Schuab got paid ridic amounts of money and he was a back up corner. I'll give you the chargers 3 quality corners however two things stand out they didn't win the super bowl and weren't able to keep all three. What was winning the games was LT the RB.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

O come on, I am really beginning to think you do have a motive here because to think we can fix this with a nice speech or a higher paid coaching staff is really reaching...

If, as expected by everything I been reading, decent running backs fall to our 2nd first pick or 2nd round pick, why wouldn't you pick up a higher quality CB that this draft is scarcer on?

As far as your protection scheme theory is concerned, the same could be said the other way around: decent DEs and LBs could not get to the QB fast enough because QB did not have any trouble finding someone open. DBs need to cover a little longer.

I don't think it works the other way around. How long do you want the DB's to cover 10 seconds maybe 15 how long ?

A nice speech and higher paid coaching staff i said nether of the sort so i have no clue where you get this from.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Oh please, we all see right through you.

You've got us taking C.J. with the #22 pick (higher than ANYONE predicts he'll go), make a thread about RB being a top priority, and this has nothing to do with CJ?

Yes this thread has nothing to do with CJ just because i think he will got to us 22 overall because i feel that RB is a top priority they do not go hand in hand. I think your off basis even if there was no CJ in this draft i would still think RB would be top priority.