Saban or Bellicheck would be the right HC hire!

[gimmesix]

They're young and hungry! Whereas, Bill is Bill and if he was all that why didn't he continue to turn NE around after Brady left? He didn't have any new ideas to jump start a team that desperately needed fresh and new ideas to compete in it's division.

Jerry doesn't feed young and hungry coaches well. They are going to have to eat what he puts on the plate. The last coach who seemed to be able to get mostly what he wanted was Parcells because Jerry respected him. I'm still of the belief that if Parcells had not burned out, he would have got us back in contention. I mean, he got us to the playoffs with Quincy Carter at QB.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Personally, I would love a young, innovative, modern Offensive HC from the Coaching Trees of McVay or Shanahan, but hiring either Saban or Bellicheck is what this franchise needs to do for their next HC hire when MM ultimately departs.

Why do we want a old retread HC?

If you read my last post about McClay, it's all about convincing Jerry/Stephen that they need to change how they operate, how they build a roster. A former coach with "clout" who they respect might be the only chance to convince change is needed. Bellicheck has 8 Super Bowl Rings, 6 with the Patriots as HC and 2 with the Giants as DC. Saban has 7 College Championship Rings. Both are considered the GOATS on each level.

-We know Bellicheck has strong ties with the Cowboys, working on the competition committee with Stephen for years. He also has a close relationship with Jimmy who helped him early in his HC career.

-Cowboys always had close ties with Alabama throughout the draft prep for years. People tend to forget that Jason Garrett was Saban's QB Coach while with the Miami Dolphins.

Both are 72 years old with a wealth of experience and motivation. Bellicheck wants to prove to Kraft that he can win without Kraft & Brady. As for Saban, he crashed and burned in his only opportunity as an NFL HC.

There are some benefits and pitfalls from each:

-Bellicheck remains a great DC, but struggles hiring competent OC's
-Saban is aware of all the college, modern schemes and talent, but he lacks experience in the NFL game.

Both have checked out emotionally and physically.
A Gruden (with whatever baggage) is preferable lads.
Every time is see Garden he is bristling with comments, ideas and great analysis.
He wants in enough that he'd be willing to work for Yoda.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Vrabel or Flores as HC gets my vote..

I vigorously dissent!
They are the past.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Saben isn’t the answer. I don’t think anyone think short term bill could bring some much needed discipline and accountability. He also wouldn’t prevent you from bringing in a young, bright OC. Bill wouldn’t be my first choice but Zimmer would be worse. Johnson, Flores are guys I really like but I don’t see Jerry respecting them enough to let them do their job, he might bill

Largely agree.
But you mentioned only retreads. I wonder if the Texans, 49ers, Packers or Vikings might have hungry young assistants.

 

[Boysdaboys]

A 6x SB champion HC would never allow an owner to dictate who his coordinators are. Nor would he approve of an owner talking to the media constantly. Belichick isn't in need of money. Nor does he need to audition for future employers.

He will have options. Unfortunately, one of those options may be the Eagles.

 

[StuckMojo]

Flores is my guy but knowing Jerry he will bring Kellen Moore back.

What is it you like about Flores?

Losing record, never made playoffs and didn’t get along with Tua.

 

[baltcowboy]

What is it you like about Flores?

Losing record, never made playoffs and didn’t get along with Tua.

Great defensive coordinator and a hard azz. Going to get on Dak and CeeDee. Will hold players accountable. Look what he is doing with Minnesota’s defense. Reminds me of the underrated Bucs head coach.

 

[Sandyf]

Personally, I would love a young, innovative, modern Offensive HC from the Coaching Trees of McVay or Shanahan, but hiring either Saban or Bellicheck is what this franchise needs to do for their next HC hire when MM ultimately departs.

Why do we want a old retread HC?

If you read my last post about McClay, it's all about convincing Jerry/Stephen that they need to change how they operate, how they build a roster. A former coach with "clout" who they respect might be the only chance to convince change is needed. Bellicheck has 8 Super Bowl Rings, 6 with the Patriots as HC and 2 with the Giants as DC. Saban has 7 College Championship Rings. Both are considered the GOATS on each level.

-We know Bellicheck has strong ties with the Cowboys, working on the competition committee with Stephen for years. He also has a close relationship with Jimmy who helped him early in his HC career.

-Cowboys always had close ties with Alabama throughout the draft prep for years. People tend to forget that Jason Garrett was Saban's QB Coach while with the Miami Dolphins.

Both are 72 years old with a wealth of experience and motivation. Bellicheck wants to prove to Kraft that he can win without Kraft & Brady. As for Saban, he crashed and burned in his only opportunity as an NFL HC.

There are some benefits and pitfalls from each:

-Bellicheck remains a great DC, but struggles hiring competent OC's
-Saban is aware of all the college, modern schemes and talent, but he lacks experience in the NFL game.

Good thoughts although you are leaving out the most critical thing, CONTROL. Both Bellicheck and Saban have always had full control especially on the player side. Jerry is never going to give either of them control over players not including everything else. Just never going to happen with Jerry.

Revisit the Jimmy Johnson era and you will see it is Jerry's ego and control that led Jimmy to leave. If you have always had control and been very successful as both of them have, why on earth would you want to give up that formula just to coach the Dallas Cowboys. Neither would. They don't need the money and there are other jobs that will be open in the NFL this coming off season where an owner will readily give them the control they want. Think about the Giants, Miami, possibly Buffalo if they don't get to the Super Bowl, Chicago, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Las Vegas, Carolina, New Orleans, Jets and Arizona are all possible and every owner would give them control in hopes of heck just the playoffs.

We have a better chance of Jerry picking Kellen Moore than Saban or BB.

 

[StuckMojo]

Great defensive coordinator and a hard azz. Going to get on Dak and CeeDee. Will hold players accountable. Look what he is doing with Minnesota’s defense. Reminds me of the underrated Bucs head coach.

All good points. This team definitely needs a hard azz coach and some toughness!

 

[LonnieElam]

I don't care who the next coach is. It's not going to matter.

 

[blueblood70]

Saban might make a good GM. He knows the college players but it will NEVER happen here. Stop it with the hypotheticals.

And why would he I wouldn't hire Nick Saban as the coach or the GM but if you're gonna finally hire AGM you go after a really big one you go all in you don't hire just anyone you don't hire will mcclay you don't hire from within you go outside and get one that's been there and done that and Nick Saban couldn't even last one season in the NFL and you think because he has a relationship with college players we already got that we're one of the best teams in the NFL...

We don't need help there Will mcclay can remain here as the assistant GM or player scouting and draft expert because we don't need help with the college players,

we need help with building bigger stronger teams that last the long haul ,not in the regular season, we have that as well we're a top six team in the NFL literally 1 of the time top teams in the NFL the last decade in regular season wins, we are winning divisions, we're getting the playoffs... I mean winning the playoffs 5 out of last eight years...

we need AGM that can take us the rest of the way, that knows free agenc,y that knows when to pay and when not to pay players, when to make trades, and not to make trades within the NFL... Nick Saban doesn't have any experience with that....

By the way you're never going to get rid of hypotheticals around here because that's what 50% of this place is opinions rhetoric hyperbole... It's going to be full of hypotheticals because nobody in here is an expert nobody knows what's going to happen nobody knows how to fix anything they just believe they know because they get on the Internet they hear things... The fan base is truly just wanna feel part of what's going on even though truly they never will be.

 

[baltcowboy]

All good points. This team definitely needs a hard azz coach and some toughness!

He won’t get hired because he is currently suing the league but that is the type of coach we need.

 

[FVSTONE]

Jerry doesn't feed young and hungry coaches well. They are going to have to eat what he puts on the plate. The last coach who seemed to be able to get mostly what he wanted was Parcells because Jerry respected him. I'm still of the belief that if Parcells had not burned out, he would have got us back in contention. I mean, he got us to the playoffs with Quincy Carter at QB.

I wasn't thinking about JJ short leash. I figured if a young brilliant HC signed on to coach the Cowboys this new coach would make if perfectly clear that it was his way or the highway if JJ tried to get involved with the player side of the organization. The problem with Bill is that he is a control freak and if JJ tried to get involved and step on Bill's toes, we might end up with years of in fighting which can only make matters worse for this fading fast organization.

 

[Cowboyny]

Good thoughts although you are leaving out the most critical thing, CONTROL. Both Bellicheck and Saban have always had full control especially on the player side. Jerry is never going to give either of them control over players not including everything else. Just never going to happen with Jerry.

Revisit the Jimmy Johnson era and you will see it is Jerry's ego and control that led Jimmy to leave. If you have always had control and been very successful as both of them have, why on earth would you want to give up that formula just to coach the Dallas Cowboys. Neither would. They don't need the money and there are other jobs that will be open in the NFL this coming off season where an owner will readily give them the control they want. Think about the Giants, Miami, possibly Buffalo if they don't get to the Super Bowl, Chicago, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Las Vegas, Carolina, New Orleans, Jets and Arizona are all possible and every owner would give them control in hopes of heck just the playoffs.

We have a better chance of Jerry picking Kellen Moore than Saban or BB.

I go back to the Parcells hire, he never had full control of the roster. I think either coach may convince the Jones Family to either hire a outside GM or even promote McClay.

 

[Eightneight]

Won't matter. Jerrah is still in control.

 

[Shane612]

Both are too old.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Belicheck is dating a woman who could be his grand daughter , dude is a creep .

 

[Risen Star]

Both Broaddus and Robert Belt think that if Belichick is hired here Will McClay will go.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Belichick is a creep with no morality .

 

[conner01]

I vigorously dissent!
They are the past.

They are both fairly young coaches