Saban or Bellicheck would be the right HC hire!

KJJ

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C'mon KJ.......that was over 20 years ago. I'm pretty sure he will admit he learned from it and will do some things differently.
He learned he couldn’t handle the pressure of the NFL. It only took him two seasons to bail on the Dolphins. He just retired because he’s too old. You actually want a 72-year-old college coach who’s burned out and hasn’t coached in the NFL in almost 20 years?
 

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Personally, I would love a young, innovative, modern Offensive HC from the Coaching Trees of McVay or Shanahan, but hiring either Saban or Bellicheck is what this franchise needs to do for their next HC hire when MM ultimately departs.

Why do we want a old retread HC?

If you read my last post about McClay, it's all about convincing Jerry/Stephen that they need to change how they operate, how they build a roster. A former coach with "clout" who they respect might be the only chance to convince change is needed. Bellicheck has 8 Super Bowl Rings, 6 with the Patriots as HC and 2 with the Giants as DC. Saban has 7 College Championship Rings. Both are considered the GOATS on each level.

-We know Bellicheck has strong ties with the Cowboys, working on the competition committee with Stephen for years. He also has a close relationship with Jimmy who helped him early in his HC career.

-Cowboys always had close ties with Alabama throughout the draft prep for years. People tend to forget that Jason Garrett was Saban's QB Coach while with the Miami Dolphins.

Both are 72 years old with a wealth of experience and motivation. Bellicheck wants to prove to Kraft that he can win without Kraft & Brady. As for Saban, he crashed and burned in his only opportunity as an NFL HC.

There are some benefits and pitfalls from each:

-Bellicheck remains a great DC, but struggles hiring competent OC's
-Saban is aware of all the college, modern schemes and talent, but he lacks experience in the NFL game.
Geez….why don’t we just dig up Landry.

NoNoNo….get someone fresh and young enough to change the culture and keep up with the current NFL.
 

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He learned he couldn’t handle the pressure of the NFL. It only took him two seasons to bail on the Dolphins. He just retired because he’s too old. You actually want a 72-year-old college coach who’s burned out and hasn’t coached in the NFL in almost 20 years?
Who said he was burned out?????? I thought he didn't like the direction the college was going with athletes getting paid but if he's on record of being burned out then??? But I do not trust a young experienced and unproven assistant coach with Jerry or the highly-paid players. Remember Haley was hell on wheels but even he admitted he stayed out of Jimmy's way. Flashback of TO chewing up Garrett on the sideline....

We all have admitted this team has a culture problem......I don't think a young unproven assistant can fix that. I can live with Vrabel and a couple of other mid-age guys.
 
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JJ and Stephen need to bring in a new GM and build a new front office. Same front office, same problem.
 

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Who said he was burned out?????? I thought he didn't like the direction the college was going with athletes getting paid but if he's one record of being burned out then??? But I do not trust a young experienced and unproven assistant coach with Jerry or the highly-paid players. Remember Haley was hell on wheels but even he admitted he stayed out of Jimmy's way. Flashback of TO chewing up Garrett on the sideline....

We all have admitted this team has a culture problem......I don't think a young unproven assistant can fix that. I can live with Vrabel and a couple of other mid-age guys.
He’s been coaching since 1990, at least that’s when he started in college. That was two years before the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl under Jimmy. I don’t follow college football so I don’t know what reasoning he gave for retiring but after 33 years at 72 years old, he has to be burned out. It only took two seasons for him to get burned out in the NFL. With Jerry Jones running the show no coach is going to matter. Whoever he hires is going to have to be a yes man. All we’ll be getting with a new HC is a different voice. They won’t be given near enough control to change the culture. This is why we’re seeing the same problems with the Cowboys under every HC. A different coach, the same results. Our greatest successes came with younger coaches. Bringing in experienced aging head coaches hasn’t gotten us anywhere. We won more playoff games with Jason Garrett than McCarthy.
 
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Geez….why don’t we just dig up Landry.

NoNoNo….get someone fresh and young enough to change the culture and keep up with the current NFL.
My point is, the Jone Family won't listen to a young, unproven HC to make necessary changes
 

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Tom Brady admitted he would love to QB that offense coz so many varieties to choose from. The Lion's offense has ......2 potential 1000-yard RBs, 2 potential 1000-yard WRs, a top-10 QB, top 10 Oline and top 10 TE. What offense coordinator CAN'T succeed with that many weapons? In other words, would he have the same success with our current offense? I'm not sure...
 

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My point is, the Jone Family won't listen to a young, unproven HC to make necessary changes
The Joneses won’t listen any head coach. There were necessary changes that needed to be made this off-season after the playoff debacle and we didn’t make them. McCarthy should’ve been fired after that game. Jerry’s excuse for not firing him was that we were close. :laugh:
 

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He’s been coaching since 1990, at least that’s when he started in college. That was two years before the Cowboys won their first Super Bowl under Jimmy. I don’t follow college football so I don’t know what reasoning he gave for retiring but after 33 years at 72 years old, he has to be burned out. It only took two seasons for him to get burned out in the NFL. With Jerry Jones running the show no coach is going to matter. Whoever he hires is going to have to be a yes man. All we’ll be getting with a new HC is a different voice. They won’t be given near enough control to change the culture. This is why we’re seeing the same problems with the Cowboys under every HC. A different coach, the same results. Our greatest successes came with younger coaches. Bringing in experienced aging head coaches hasn’t gotten us anywhere. We won more playoff games with Jason Garrett than McCarthy.
You know I agree with in principle but my point Jerry is more likely to respect a coach with a proven record of winning big than a young unproven assistant. I am not the assistant won't be as successful but I don't see Jerry trusting one enough to take the chance.

As for more playoff wins with Garrett than McCarthy.........are you serious????
Context....
Garrett's playoff record....2-3 or 55% ( 9 years )
McCarthy playoff record .....1-3 or 62% ( 4 years )
 

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You know I agree with in principle but my point Jerry is more likely to respect a coach with a proven record of winning big than a young unproven assistant. I am not the assistant won't be as successful but I don't see Jerry trusting one enough to take the chance.

As for more playoff wins with Garrett than McCarthy.........are you serious????
Context....
Garrett's playoff record....2-3 or 55% ( 9 years )
McCarthy playoff record .....1-3 or 62% ( 4 years )
I get what you’re saying, but it hasn’t done any good with McCarthy who had a lot of experience. It didn’t do any good with Parcells or any of these experienced coaches he’s hired. With the three experienced head coaches he’s hired, Parcells, Wade Phillips and Mike McCarthy we only have two playoff wins to show for it. We got two playoff wins with Garrett. We had a 13 win team under Garrett, which tied a franchise record and we had 11 straight wins under Garrett, which set a franchise record. We had a terrific team with a rookie QB under Garrett. I’m certainly not trying to make Jason Garrett out to be some great head coach, but we had more success with him than these older coaches that have tons of experience. Jerry seemed to try real hard to make it work under Garrett. He wanted badly for him to succeed. If I’m in charge, I’m looking for a younger innovative head coach. The bottom line is the only way things are going to change with the Cowboys is if Jerry changes but he appears too stuck in his ways to change. He wants too much control and it’s handcuffing his head coaches.
 

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At this point if I've heard of the coaching candidate, I'm against him.
 

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if saban were to return to the nfl...it wouldn't be a surprise if he's more successful than his first stint with the dolphins.
thats the one blemish on his resume i'm sure he'd like to change.
pete carrol wasn't successful his first time around.
left for usc.
then came back to the league with the seahawks and had much more success.
wouldn't surprise me if saban would do the same.
 

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Saban was a non-factor when he was coaching in the NFL; and there is no way BB would defer to Jerry after pretty much having carte blanche with a hands-off owner such as Robert Kraft.
We as fans should face the fact that any decent HC who will be able to steal the spotlight from Jerry won’t be hired…Dallas only hires the dregs and down-trodden of the coaching community. We have witnessed this since the departure of BP.
 

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Saban was a non-factor when he was coaching in the NFL; and there is no way BB would defer to Jerry after pretty much having carte blanche with a hands-off owner such as Robert Kraft.
We as fans should face the fact that any decent HC who will be able to steal the spotlight from Jerry won’t be hired…Dallas only hires the dregs and down-trodden of the coaching community. We have witnessed this since the departure of BP.
Exactly
 

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I doubt either would take the job as long as Jerry is still micromanaging the team from above.
 

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You know I agree with in principle but my point Jerry is more likely to respect a coach with a proven record of winning big than a young unproven assistant. I am not the assistant won't be as successful but I don't see Jerry trusting one enough to take the chance.

As for more playoff wins with Garrett than McCarthy.........are you serious????
Context....
Garrett's playoff record....2-3 or 55% ( 9 years )
McCarthy playoff record .....1-3 or 62% ( 4 years )
I’m missing something. What do those percentages represent?
 

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I will give you Shanahan and maybe McVay ( who's now struggling ) but what have the rest done to suggest they are a better choice than Belichick
They're young and hungry! Whereas, Bill is Bill and if he was all that why didn't he continue to turn NE around after Brady left? He didn't have any new ideas to jump start a team that desperately needed fresh and new ideas to compete in it's division.
 

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The game has passed bill by, need to go younger and more innovative
I could see Belichick bringing in someone like Vrabel as a defensive coordinator and the Cowboys essentially viewing him as the head coach in waiting. Vrabel's Tennessee teams weren't great but did make it to an NFC Championship Game (mostly behind its defense) despite not really having much at QB. Of course, Belichick would probably just bring his son along with him.
 
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