Salary Cap Calculations for 2014

[LatinMind]

If he is cut immediately (before June 1st), then all of the numbers in the Misc. column add together and equal the number in the Dead column (8.57M).

If he is a June 1st cut, then the 2014 Misc. number (3.75M) hits the 2014 cap and the remaining Misc. numbers add together and hit the 2015 cap.

If they keep him without a restructure, then his cap hit is 16M.

June 1st cap hit in 2014: 3.75M
Cap hit without restructure: 16M

Difference = 16M - 3.75M = 12.25M

In other words, they "save" 12.25M in 2014 if he is a June 1st cut.

so you want Dallas to take that 16mil cap until june? you think Dallas is going to be able to sign melton and cast you want in June? The only way Dallas is able to get anything out of it is to restructure quickly that creates more problems later, or just release him and eat the dead money but get something in return.

 

[AbeBeta]

His 2014 base (13.5M) is guaranteed.

I love seeing xwalker own people on these issues over and over.

 

[jterrell]

His 2014 base (13.5M) is guaranteed.

Then the Cowboys have no decisions to make and will in fact try to limp along with this veteran club.

They will restructure Lee/Ware/Romo day 1 to get under the cap.
They'll cut Miles at some point, hopefully designated June 2nd.

So we will see much the same next year and hope for better results.

 

[xwalker]

No, they really couldn't.
Jared Allen is probably worth more than 12m over 2 years and he knows it.

I don't know what those players will get in free agency.

But even if he didn't in your scenario you pay a guy all hsi money up front then expect him to pour out heart and soul for 2 years with minimum salaries coming back with zero financial incentive... bad plan.

The Carr deal you oh so love to discuss wasn't at all like that.
Dallas GUARANTEED a big portion of money coming AFTER year 1.
We HAD to restructure him and essentially hand him a big signing bonus 2 seasons in a row.
That's how we got him in here for 3m in cap hits year 1.[/quote]

They can make the base salary any number for years, 3, 4, and 5. It can be 100M because it's not guaranteed. It can also be a low number with a player option to void those years.

I know exactly how Carr's contract was structured. Using that type of structure, it would look something like:

Signing bonus: 5M
2014: 1M (cap hit = 2M)
2015: 6M (restructure for cap hit of 2M)
2016: 100M (cut for cap hit of 6M)
2017: 100M
2018: 100M

 

[jterrell]

I love seeing xwalker own people on these issues over and over.

the only problem with that theory is there are 3 years of xwalker posting what seem like smart scenarios and never having a single one right once the cowboys act.
i can gladly refer you to past threads and numbers if you'd like.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Incredible work put in. Could we afford, Jared Allen and Linval Joseph??? I would love these two and they could bolster our Dline, Joseph would long term.

I say target # 1 should be DE Michael Johnson from bengals ... Dude can play

 

[AbeBeta]

the only problem with that theory is there are 3 years of xwalker posting what seem like smart scenarios and never having a single one right once the cowboys act.
i can gladly refer you to past threads and numbers if you'd like.

He's generally right on about the cap numbers -- what we do with the money is more speculative and often incorrect. But he does understand the cap -- e.g., know what "guaranteed" means.

 

[xwalker]

the only problem with that theory is there are 3 years of xwalker posting what seem like smart scenarios and never having a single one right once the cowboys act.
i can gladly refer you to past threads and numbers if you'd like.

Go for it.

I said at this time last year that they could get under the cap and could Franchise Spencer.

 

[jterrell]

They can make the base salary any number for years, 3, 4, and 5. It can be 100M because it's not guaranteed. It can also be a low number with a player option to void those years.

I know exactly how Carr's contract was structured. Using that type of structure, it would look something like:

Signing bonus: 5M
2014: 1M (cap hit = 2M)
2015: 6M (restructure for cap hit of 2M)
2016: 100M (cut for cap hit of 6M)
2017: 100M
2018: 100M

No, dude, it wouldn't look like that.
Because again you miss the forest for the trees.
Jared Allen is worth more than 2 years and 12 million dollars.

His CAP HIT for this year alone is 17 million dollars.

 

[jterrell]

Go for it.

I said at this time last year that they could get under the cap and could Franchise Spencer.

and sign 5 great free agents to boot.
same as the year before and now this year.

 

[Bungarian]

Ware is not getting cut

 

[jterrell]

He's generally right on about the cap numbers -- what we do with the money is more speculative and often incorrect. But he does understand the cap -- e.g., know what "guaranteed" means.

he does understand the basics of the cap, just not dates and how free agency works.

as to guaranteed money it is seldom reported exactly how that money is guaranteed so is easily missed.
feel free to join the side of lunacy though that has us signing 3 new starting DL.
good luck with that.

i appreciate xwalker's efforts but hate the fact he is basically leading on the fan base.
our cap space situation is not good and will prevent much if any substantial free agent activity.
same as it did last year.

 

[xwalker]

so you want Dallas to take that 16mil cap until june? you think Dallas is going to be able to sign melton and cast you want in June? The only way Dallas is able to get anything out of it is to restructure quickly that creates more problems later, or just release him and eat the dead money but get something in return.

I explained in the OP exactly how they can get under the cap while carrying the non-restructured contracts of Ware and Austin until June 1st.

I explained how they could sign 80M worth of free agents with the cap space that they have available.

 

[Bungarian]

http://overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Cowboys&Year=2014

Cap Numbers

 

[AbeBeta]

he does understand the basics of the cap, just not dates and how free agency works.

as to guaranteed money it is seldom reported exactly how that money is guaranteed so is easily missed.
feel free to join the side of lunacy though that has us signing 3 new starting DL.
good luck with that.

i appreciate xwalker's efforts but hate the fact he is basically leading on the fan base.
our cap space situation is not good and will prevent much if any substantial free agent activity.
same as it did last year.

You quoted Spotrac but couldn't read this information on the Romo page?

$40 million guaranteed (Signing Bonus + 2013-14 base salaries)

Odd

 

[xwalker]

No, dude, it wouldn't look like that.
Because again you miss the forest for the trees.
Jared Allen is worth more than 2 years and 12 million dollars.

His CAP HIT for this year alone is 17 million dollars.

How about some examples of 32 year old players that signed significantly larger contracts? They might exist, but you're just randomly speculating without some reference.

The contract structure was an example. I said from the outset of that post that I didn't know how much he would get as a Free Agent.

 

[jterrell]

You quoted Spotrac but couldn't read this information on the Romo page?

$40 million guaranteed (Signing Bonus + 2013-14 base salaries)

Odd

And that says his base in 2014 is guaranteed then?
Your computer screen must look different than mine and stuff.

 

[speedkilz88]

And that says his base in 2014 is guaranteed then?
Your computer screen must look different than mine and stuff.

Talk about missing the forest for the trees. It states it plain as day.

 

[jterrell]

I explained in the OP exactly how they can get under the cap while carrying the non-restructured contracts of Ware and Austin until June 1st.

I explained how they could sign 80M worth of free agents with the cap space that they have available.

But you were wrong... again.

The cap space for the top 51 contracts is 136Million and change.
The dead cap space we can not avoid is over 11 million dollars.

The total cap for 2014 right now is 148m.

So you NEVER got under the cap in your scenario pre-June 2nd.

and your basic principle of 80m in contracts was wrong in that each player has a base once.
that base drives year 1 cost per player and dependent upon years in league.

 

[jterrell]

Talk about missing the forest for the trees. It states it plain as day.

wow, my bad there.... at least i missed it consistently.