Sam Williams and Micah Parsons get the game balls

[MarcusRock]

Unless it was a designed run that shouldn't have mattered. A scrambling qb does not keep a guy from getting a sack. That should be changed when looked at by the league.

Doesn't need to be a designed run. Once you switch from being a passer in the pocket to tucking the ball and becoming a runner, your status changes and you lose the protections of a QB and the rules that apply to a runner apply to the QB and he can be lit up by a defender. You can either run for a loss, no gain, or a gain. If you scramble but stay behind the line looking to pass, you're a passer. You abandon the pass to tuck it and run, you are a runner.

 

[MarcusRock]

Unless it was a designed run that shouldn't have mattered. A scrambling qb does not keep a guy from getting a sack. That should be changed when looked at by the league.

There's no direct rule I can find but what I say is shown in the interpretation of the roughing the passer rule where a passer can go back to pass and then become a runner:

(2) When the passer goes outside the pocket area and either continues moving with the ball (without attempting to
advance the ball as a runner) or throws while on the run, he loses the protection of the one-step rule and the
protection against a low hit, but retains the other special protections afforded to a passer in the pocket. If a
quarterback attempts to advance the ball as a runner, he loses all of the special protections of the roughing-the-passer
rule. However, if he throws while on the run, he regains all the special protections except the one-step
rule and low hit rule. If he stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture, he is covered by all of
the special protections for passers.
(3) When a quarterback retreats to pass, but brings the ball down and begins to advance as a runner, he no longer
has roughing-the-passer protection, even when his path of advance is within the pocket.
(4) When a quarterback retreats to pass, and moves in an attempt to avoid the pass rush, even if he is moving
forward in the pocket he has roughing-the-passer protection until he clearly becomes a runner.​

You can't sack a runner even if they're a QB that becomes one.

 

[gimmesix]

Williams - 2 sacks, 1 FF, 1 FR and multiple huge TFLs when the game was close

Parsons - 1 sacks, 28303208 pressures, tackled the Detroit TE at the 1 yard line which would have been the go ahead TD for Detroit in the 3rd when things were looking hairy. Instead Detroit fumbles. Parsons took 7 points off the board for Detroit and won us the game.

Honorable mention: Offensive line blocked better in the 2nd half

I'd have to throw Diggs in there. I'm not sure Detroit completed even one pass his direction. He broke hard on a third-down pass to knock it away and force a field goal and his interception led to our first TD drive.

 

[TheMightyVanHalen]

Who had the 5th sack?

Sam - 2
Parsons - 1
Armstrong - 1
Wilson - 1

Armstrong knocked Parsons away from another sack as well.

Parsons tripped him up before he got back to the LOS. A 2 yard loss I think. I believe he will be credited with 2 sacks once they look at it. Unless I'm not understanding the rules for a sack. Which is possible.

*edit* I think I'm wrong after reading @MarcusRock post.

 

[guag]

DLaw touched him in between

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@Maverick84

 

[gimmesix]

There's no direct rule I can find but what I say is shown in the interpretation of the roughing the passer rule where a passer can go back to pass and then become a runner:

(2) When the passer goes outside the pocket area and either continues moving with the ball (without attempting to
advance the ball as a runner) or throws while on the run, he loses the protection of the one-step rule and the
protection against a low hit, but retains the other special protections afforded to a passer in the pocket. If a
quarterback attempts to advance the ball as a runner, he loses all of the special protections of the roughing-the-passer
rule. However, if he throws while on the run, he regains all the special protections except the one-step
rule and low hit rule. If he stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture, he is covered by all of
the special protections for passers.
(3) When a quarterback retreats to pass, but brings the ball down and begins to advance as a runner, he no longer
has roughing-the-passer protection, even when his path of advance is within the pocket.
(4) When a quarterback retreats to pass, and moves in an attempt to avoid the pass rush, even if he is moving
forward in the pocket he has roughing-the-passer protection until he clearly becomes a runner.​

You can't sack a runner even if they're a QB that becomes one.

I would think that because he was trying to climb the pocket and escape the pass rush (rather than just taking off and running), he wouldn't have clearly become a runner. But I don't think it was Parsons who got him. He escaped from Parsons and whoever was coming around the left side was the one who tripped him up.

Essentially, I think what Goff did would fall under No. 4.

 

[guag]

Why was that not a sack? He fell behind the line of scrimmage from contact with Parsons.

If it's not officially scored as a sack then it should be reviewed and changed... it absolutely should have counted as a sack.

 

[MarcusRock]

I would think that because he was trying to climb the pocket and escape the pass rush (rather than just taking off and running), he wouldn't have clearly become a runner. But I don't think it was Parsons who got him. He escaped from Parsons and whoever was coming around the left side was the one who tripped him up.

I think that part 4 of the rule I quoted covers that. It mentions avoiding a pass rush but right after that he can have a status where he "clearly becomes a runner" without reference to the LOS. Can't sack a runner.

 

[gimmesix]

Williams was outstanding today.

Needs to cool it with the suplexes though lol

What do you want? A piledriver?

 

[TheMightyVanHalen]

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@Maverick84

Well played!

 

[gimmesix]

I think that part 4 of the rule I quoted covers that. It mentions avoiding a pass rush but right after that he can have a status where he "clearly becomes a runner" without reference to the LOS. Can't sack a runner.

That would be the question. Did he clearly become a runner at that point? IMO, he was still trying to escape the pass rush and possibly trying to become a runner, but did not do it. One reason I feel this way is because once a QB becomes a runner, he no longer has roughing-the-passer protection. I don't think that would have been the case here because he was behind the line of scrimmage and still could have thrown the ball if he had not been tripped up. He wasn't clearly becoming a runner; he was a faller trying to escape a sack.

 

[aikemirv]

There's no direct rule I can find but what I say is shown in the interpretation of the roughing the passer rule where a passer can go back to pass and then become a runner:

(2) When the passer goes outside the pocket area and either continues moving with the ball (without attempting to
advance the ball as a runner) or throws while on the run, he loses the protection of the one-step rule and the
protection against a low hit, but retains the other special protections afforded to a passer in the pocket. If a
quarterback attempts to advance the ball as a runner, he loses all of the special protections of the roughing-the-passer
rule. However, if he throws while on the run, he regains all the special protections except the one-step
rule and low hit rule. If he stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture, he is covered by all of
the special protections for passers.
(3) When a quarterback retreats to pass, but brings the ball down and begins to advance as a runner, he no longer
has roughing-the-passer protection, even when his path of advance is within the pocket.
(4) When a quarterback retreats to pass, and moves in an attempt to avoid the pass rush, even if he is moving
forward in the pocket he has roughing-the-passer protection until he clearly becomes a runner.​

You can't sack a runner even if they're a QB that becomes one.

I really don’t think any of the situations you
Listed have any bearing-he got hit by Parsons and stumbles forward trying to run . He is down by contact behind the line of scrimmage by a pass rusher. He possibly was moving up in the pocket at the time Parsons makes contact but was in no way a runner!

 

[conner01]

Williams - 2 sacks, 1 FF, 1 FR and multiple huge TFLs when the game was close

Parsons - 1 sacks, 28303208 pressures, tackled the Detroit TE at the 1 yard line which would have been the go ahead TD for Detroit in the 3rd when things were looking hairy. Instead Detroit fumbles. Parsons took 7 points off the board for Detroit and won us the game.

Honorable mention: Offensive line blocked better in the 2nd half

Williams is showing more and more as he gets the reps
The sky is the limit for him
A full off season and the experience he gets this season is gonna be great for him
That kid is fast
We have two pass rushers who have the speed of many CB’s

 

[Typhus]

Williams was outstanding today.

Needs to cool it with the suplexes though lol

He needs to get off the roids, or dial them down a bit.
JK... go get em Sam!!!

 

[MarcusRock]

That would be the question. Did he clearly become a runner at that point? IMO, he was still trying to escape the pass rush and possibly trying to become a runner, but did not do it. One reason I feel this way is because once a QB becomes a runner, he no longer has roughing-the-passer protection. I don't think that would have been the case here because he was behind the line of scrimmage and still could have thrown the ball if he had not been tripped up. He wasn't clearly becoming a runner; he was a faller trying to escape a sack.

A faller? Not a term in the rules. Lol. I will pull the tape. After escaping Parsons, Goff takes a good 5 steps upright with the ball tucked before it's Armstrong who trips him up. If not after 5 steps when do you become a runner?

 

[MarcusRock]

I really don’t think any of the situations you
Listed have any bearing-he got hit by Parsons and stumbles forward trying to run . He is down by contact behind the line of scrimmage by a pass rusher. He possibly was moving up in the pocket at the time Parsons makes contact but was in no way a runner!

You don't take 5 steps to stumble which is what Goff took before being tripped. Video incoming for you too and then tell me what you saw.

 

[Runwildboys]

A faller? Not a term in the rules. Lol. I will pull the tape. After escaping Parsons, Goff takes a good 5 steps upright with the ball tucked before it's Armstrong who trips him up. If not after 5 steps when do you become a runner?

From my recollection, he didn't appear to tuck the ball away, but I could be mistaken.

 

[Madtowner]

Parsons tripped him up before he got back to the LOS. A 2 yard loss I think. I believe he will be credited with 2 sacks once they look at it. Unless I'm not understanding the rules for a sack. Which is possible.

*edit* I think I'm wrong after reading @MarcusRock post.

On the play where Parsons tripped Goff and he stumbled forward- he sort of regained his balance but then Armstrong trips him causing him to fall forward and go to the ground. Armstrong was credited with the sack. At least that’s how CBS Sports Gametracker has it.

 

[gimmesix]

A faller? Not a term in the rules. Lol. I will pull the tape. After escaping Parsons, Goff takes a good 5 steps upright with the ball tucked before it's Armstrong who trips him up. If not after 5 steps when do you become a runner?

Find me a rule that says when you're escaping pressure, you become a runner after five steps. He was falling right after he escaped pressure because he was tripped. That it took him five steps to fall is irrelevant.

 

[gimmesix]

On the play where Parsons hit Goff and he stumbled forward- he sort of regained his balance but then Armstrong hit him causing him to fall forward and go to the ground. Armstrong was credited with the sack. At least that’s how CBS Sports Gametracker has it.

That's what I figured. I couldn't tell that it was Armstrong who tripped him, but if he's credited for a sack, that would be the one.