San Antonio Saints?

Hiero said:
good point. However i think that san antonio also has reasons it isnt a viable market. besides being smaller than a few other choices, texas already has two teams. One being the Dallas cowboys, we know most people in texas and the whole region are boys fans. Very hard to compete with a team like dallas with such a big history and huge fan base. Texas did it because there was already an established long time Oiler fan base to go on, but nobody in texas likes the saints ( ok maybe a few here and there), so its going to be infinitely harder to get san antonio a team compared to houston.
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I would assume that is because they are the "New Orleans Saints", but what will happen if they become the "San Antonio Saints"? I think you are severely underestimating the love of football in SA, well Texas as a whole. And the thought of us having our own team is something the Cowboys have never had to compete with. I was at the Atlanta vs. New Orleans game and it was rockin.
 
the saints suck!
if i was a fan i would say good ridance!!
who cares were they move they will still be a sorry *** team that will never win anything. my 2 cents
 
I'm in SA, and this has been discussed ad nauseum for weeks. I'm actually one of the people against a move. The Cowboys essentially have a stranglehold on the SA market. It'll be tough to knock them off. San Antonio is a huge city - and has a bigger upper class with a lot of big corporations - HEB, Valero, Clear Channel, Toyota, etc - but a team needs a big middle class to survive - and San Antonio doesn't have a big middle class for that.

Plus, the Alamodome is in need of huge renovations if they're going to host a team permanently. Better to just build a new stadium entirely.

But, they better not take TV time from Dallas.
 
bounce said:
I'm in SA, and this has been discussed ad nauseum for weeks. I'm actually one of the people against a move. The Cowboys essentially have a stranglehold on the SA market. It'll be tough to knock them off. San Antonio is a huge city - and has a bigger upper class with a lot of big corporations - HEB, Valero, Clear Channel, Toyota, etc - but a team needs a big middle class to survive - and San Antonio doesn't have a big middle class for that.

Plus, the Alamodome is in need of huge renovations if they're going to host a team permanently. Better to just build a new stadium entirely.

But, they better not take TV time from Dallas.
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Ya i agree, people are going to still want their boys games on tv and the cowboys do imo have too much of the market for a 3rd team.

4lifecowboy said:
I would assume that is because they are the "New Orleans Saints", but what will happen if they become the "San Antonio Saints"? I think you are severely underestimating the love of football in SA, well Texas as a whole. And the thought of us having our own team is something the Cowboys have never had to compete with. I was at the Atlanta vs. New Orleans game and it was rockin.
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san antonio has potential but for several reasons i dont think it would work out. going to a couple games and selling the few ones out, is different than sustaining a team thru tv attendance etc. I think san antonio could do it, but other spots are preferred.
 
Even before Katrina the Saints were trying to move out of New Orleans, so if they move out i'm not going to get mad at them. Football is a business and if the New Orleans market wasn't donig well before the disaster, why spend all of the money to put another team in there just to satisfiy the press. The Saints will go to Los Angeles, I think Benson is just using San Antonio to get more money out of LA.
 
I think it is going to happen whether anyone of the NFL wants it to or not. I don't think it is a good idea at all since it cuts into the Cowboys market and TV time.

It was discussed before Katrina hit and I think it is going to happen.

New Orleans can lobby to keep the name and history, but I doubt the NFL will give them the Cleveland deal because of the condition of the city.
 
I live in San Antonio, and I dont want them here.. Cowboys Die Hard fan here... I could not share my interests with another team. Besides the Saints organization has always sucked and probably wont ever be good if history tells us anything.

We have more market here than some of the other current NFL cities, this is BTW the 8th largest city in the US. I still dont want another football team trying to take away from the hold the cowboys have already.
 
Hiero said:
Population? Economy size? Market? Ny and Ca are much bigger in these 3 key categories.
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Population of Texas is larger than that of NY. I'll concede CA leads in population and economy size, but market is another issue. LA has proven that there is no market for the NFL there and the other major cities already have teams.

Of course, with that said, I don't want the 'Ain'ts" or any other team in San Antonio. Since I am 45 miles outside of SA, I'd have to buy direct TV and Sunday Ticket to see the Cowboy games.
 
The giants and jets actually play in new jersey, so ya. :D thats the population of 2 states.
 
LA needs a team, and someone better move there before, God forbid, Tag creates another expansion team messing this whole thing up....
 
CooterBrown said:
Population of Texas is larger than that of NY.
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That's really only meaningful if you don't consider that NYC butts up against Jersey and Connecticut and that a ton of "New Yorkers" live in suburbs of those states.
 
A thousand reasons no. KABB (Fox affialiate) doesn't want it, the majority of SA don't want them, I don't want them, the Mayor is an idiot, Benson is worthless little opportunist I'd rather not have my city associated with, they only sold out once because of Michael Vick, the novelty of a real NFL team will fade away after it's here and sucks, the Saints will never win a Super Bowl, Texas has all the teams it needs, the Cowboys own San Antonio, an additional fandom is devoted to the Texans or some other crappy team, I hate Benson, I hate the Mayor, I hate the City Counsel, San Antonio will spend 4 billion dollars of the tax payers money trying to land one of the worst historical NFL teams still in existance. Jim Haslett is a dork. Aaron Brooks sucks. Joe Horn is old. The Cowboys are about the highest rated NFL team ratings wise. I don't want to have to pay for DirectTV because the people who offer it are unreasonably high, they charge about $20 a month more than Dish. I hate Benson.
 
Texas as a state has a huge target audience interested in football because the whole culture revolves around it at the high school level. Been to a high school football game lately in Texas? It is a show unmatched anywhere else in the country. Bands, cheerleaders, drill teams, and oh yeah, a football game.

Quoting the number of males in the target market is an insufficient measure of what it takes for an NFL franchise to be successful. LA has proven it is a poor venue for a large number of reasons. SA would be a great market for the Saints once they win the loyalty of the fans. Right now, they have a huge sympathy factor to help win that loyalty and the owner is smart enough to know this. Regardless of whether you like the move, you have to like the logic. I disagree with the statement that it would be a PR hit for the NFL. Nobody outside of Southern La will care.
 
Hiero said:
3 times the people, 3 times the males.
Nothing against san antonio, LA is clearly the bigger more desirable market. Tagliabue has repeatedly said this.
San Antonio Population: 1144646 100.00%

Sex and Age
Male 553245 48.33%
Female 591401 51.67%

Los Angeles Population: 3694820 100.00%

Sex and Age
Male 1841805 49.85%
Female 1853015 50.15%
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That may be but it's only for economical reasons. LA fans don't support football. The only team that city really has any allegiance to are the Lakers. LA has had opportunities to steal the Chargers away from San Diego and residents made no effort to lobby for that move. The same thing applies in regards to the Arizona Cardinals. When 3/4 of the cities in the Phoenix Metro vetoed any bill to build the Cardinals a new stadium, LA made no concerted or organized effort to acquire the Cardinals.

It just makes me laugh when people say LA "deserves" an NFL franchise because of it's size. What the NFL needs is another small market team that has loyal fans who will actually attend games, and purchase merchandise. A huge population is no guarantee that it would generate the capital it takes to sustain a football team in that market. And like others have said, football is an inherent part of Texas culture. You also have to keep in mind that a large percentage of LA's population are immigrants from various parts of Asia/Southeast Asia/India that did not grow up watching football.
 
mr.jameswoods said:
It just makes me laugh when people say LA "deserves" an NFL franchise because of it's size. What the NFL needs is another small market team that has loyal fans who will actually attend games, and purchase merchandise. A huge population is no guarantee that it would generate the capital it takes to sustain a football team in that market. And like others have said, football is an inherent part of Texas culture. You also have to keep in mind that a large percentage of LA's population are immigrants from various parts of Asia/Southeast Asia/India that did not grow up watching football.
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Tags doesnt want a small market team. Tags runs the NFL, he has repeatedly said he has Los angeles as the #1 priority for a team to be relocated to.
Trust me i live by sacramento and i have to deal with this all the time with the kings. The kings have sold out almost every game the past 20 years, they win consistently, they have the best fans in the league. Sounds like a great place for basketball, but whats this? The Maloofs want to move them to Vegas? The national media not only never gives the kings any respect, they constantly disrespect them even after constant 50+ win seasons. Kings cant get a new stadium built because the county cant afford it, and now the Maloofs are threatening to move them away because of it. So much drama, and the Kings are doing so well. The NBA doesnt want a sacramento team, thats less revenue overall for them regardless of them selling out every game. Just like teh NFL doesnt want a san antonio team, and the big money will probably win out IMO, meaning LA once again has top priority for relocation regardless of stadium etc.
 
It is going to happen, no matter how much belly aching Tags does. He can't forbid teams to move. Benson is in a tough position. He can have a vagabond team for the next 3-4 years or he can move them to his preferred San Antonio. He is also getting $18 million per year from the state of Lousiana. If he takes the money he and the sate will be critisized for taking the money when it could have been better spent.

The games at LSU are having a very difficult time selling tickets. Not one of the games is half sold out. Futhermore, what is the population of New Orleans gonna look like in the next 3-4 years? NO will be a much smaller market than San Antonio, with less corporate sponsors at their disposal.

San Antonio can and will support an NFL team. It is a much larger than many of the current NFL markets including Green Bay, Carolina, Jax, Buffalo and New Orleans. In fact Carolina's market is a five hundred mile radius from Charlotte. If you did that with San Antonio, it would include Dallas, Houston, Corpus Christi and the Rio Grande Valley. That would make it larger than the L.A. market.

That said, I do not want the Saints here. I do not want them taking any airtime form my beloved Cowboys. And if they do stay here, they will not be called the Saints.
 
Mr Cowboy said:
San Antonio can and will support an NFL team. It is a much larger than many of the current NFL markets including Green Bay, Carolina, Jax, Buffalo and New Orleans. In fact Carolina's market is a five hundred mile radius from Charlotte. If you did that with San Antonio, it would include Dallas, Houston, Corpus Christi and the Rio Grande Valley. That would make it larger than the L.A. market.

That said, I do not want the Saints here. I do not want them taking any airtime form my beloved Cowboys. And if they do stay here, they will not be called the Saints.
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I dont disagree that it can support an nfl team, im sure it can. I just dont think its the optimal spot for many reasons including market size, and the ridiculous market share hold the cowboys hold over the state. Cowboys fans rule the state, and whoever isnt a cowboys fan is a texans fan. In the end though its all about the $$$.
 
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