Saquon Barkley: Shoutout to Kellen Moore, he stuck with the run

[pansophy]

Well what about the times we were running the ball at 4, 5, and 6 yards a clip.... we get in short yardage situations like 2nd, 3rd, or 4th and short or goal to go and KM dumb *** calls 3 straight pass plays or tries some dumb *** reverse trick plays?

When we had that same personnel who averaged 5 yards a run, what does common sense tell you to do on short yardage situations? Kellen Moore was too stupid to stick to the run when the opposition couldn't stop it.

He gets no excuses for that.

I dread every time we are in a short yardage package because we so rarely are able to get 1 or 2 yards that way. We always need to spread the DL out to have a chance.

 

[fivetwos]

The Cowboys would need to finish 5-12 and then maybe Jerry would consider something. (Firing his glasses cleaner). If we get to 7-7 with a Sunday Night elimination game against Tampa up next Jerry still may fire MM but nothing else will change.

I’d like to agree. Hell I wish this could be the case but I think it’s going to take much more. Figure 7-10 this year, and another 4-7 win year in 25, then 26 starts slowly with the HC hire being a clear mistake but they refuse to eat the rest of the contract. So maybe the following year best case?

I think the true rebuild could have potential to start during the void years of the Prescott deal…thats IF 86 year old Jerry gets the one after the next HC hire right and shuts his mouth finally.

Took me a while, but now that I’ve finally opened my eyes, it’s difficult to have much hope. This is the Jerry Jones ego TV show, not a football team. I honestly cannot WAIT until we can discuss football again instead of moaning about Jerry, but I don’t know if and when that day is coming.

 

[khiladi]

I definitely watched his time with the Cowboys and remember many times that our running backs were gutting opposing defenses for chunk yards and in that same game, Kellen Moore would call pass plays on short yardage situations.

Kellen Moore always tried to get cute and slick when he didn't have to be. If your running back is averaging 5 yards a pop all game and you come into a short yardage or goal line situation from 2 yards away.... what do the intelligent coaches do? What does common sense tell you to do?

That's right!! Run the damn ball!!

Kellen Moore was not intelligent enough to make the right "in-game" adjustments and he had very weak "situational awareness" when he was with us. To me he was the dumbest offensive coordinator in the league at that time.

But we were the number 1 ranked scoring offense with Dak!! Or maybe the bone-head at QB, couldn't play from under center, so Moore was limited in his options to keep defenses off guard. That's why we kept running jet sweeps. There were also games where "Air Dak" wasn;t working and Moore abandoned it and went heavy with the run, including the game Dak broke his leg. Moore took the ball away from him and fed Zeke, which continued with Dalton. Moore's praise is his ability to set the defense up to see what they are doing and exploit later on in the game. There is nothing to indicate he won't keep getting better and better.

 

[khiladi]

Well he apparently didn't learn it in L.A. either.... he only lasted a few minutes with the Chargers.

That's because Harbuagh took the job and was given complete control and brought in his own people. Greg Roman included.

The Chargers weren't letting Moore interview with anybody, up until that point, as they were going to retain him. Once Jim Harbaugh took the job, Moore was allowed to go and he got a job in seconds, as nobody considered him a failure. He'll be a HC sooner or later.

 

[GINeric]

But we were the number 1 ranked scoring offense with Dak!! Or maybe the bone-head at QB, couldn't play from under center, so Moore was limited in his options to keep defenses off guard. That's why we kept running jet sweeps.

Well that bone headed QB became an All-Pro and MVP candidate WITHOUT Kellen Moore. That same QB has been top 10 at his position his whole career.

Before KM fell into a star studded Eagles offense who were already good before he got there.... when was KM ever awarded as an coordinator or when has he ever been top ten as a coordinator, play designer or caller?

I'll respectfully wait....

 

[khiladi]

Well that bone headed QB became an All-Pro and MVP candidate WITHOUT Kellen Moore. That same QB has been top 10 at his position his whole career.

Before KM fell into a star studded Eagles offense who were already good before he got there.... when was KM ever awarded as an coordinator or when has he ever been top ten as a coordinator, play designer or caller?

I'll respectfully wait....

That bone-headed QB sucked until the bye, when he got absolutely destroyed by the 49ers, he still couldn't throw against quarter coverages, which is why he couldn't do anything agianst the horrible Cardinals, sucked agianst the Bills and struggled with Miami (whose own QB couldn't throw an intermediate route accurately that whole game to save his life), meaning that same QB them proceeded to throw 5 INTs in the last 5 games, with defenses dropping plenty along the way, only for that same QB to have his absolute worst playoff performance ever in year 9 and then proceeded to look even worse than he ever has in the Texas West Coast this year... Padding stats against 3 of the absoute worst secondaries in the league in the NFC East while getting beat up by good teams is a Dak staple, whether with Moore or McCarthy, because the talent surrounding him was wildly superior. He did the same thing in the Moore years Now that he is not surrounded by that talent and teams ust realized they can take away his primary read Lamb, Cooper Rush is looking more effective than him with his noodle arm. Even commentators are saying Rush gets the ball out faster than Mr. Roboto...

Moore is getting jobs as soon as he's available, which is more than enough proof that teams respect his abilities. he would have been HC of the Panthers if they decided not to go with their alum Franch Reich...

 

[GINeric]

That's because Harbuagh took the job and was given complete control and brought in his own people. Greg Roman included.

The Chargers weren't letting Moore interview with anybody, up until that point, as they were going to retain him. Once Jim Harbaugh took the job, Moore was allowed to go and he got a job in seconds, as nobody considered him a failure. He'll be a HC sooner or later.

Getting a head coaching job wouldn't impress me for him. The question is, how effective he would be leading men and how long would he be able to LAST as a head coach.

We've seen many questionable head coaches come and go.

 

[khiladi]

If Kellen Moore was a great coordinator.... do you think Harbaugh would have just let him walk out the door?

Yes, he actually would let Moore walk, which he did. Greg Roman,their OC, whome many Chargers fans are absolutely hating right now, has been tied to the both Harbaugh's for years... The Chargers also fired their GM last year with Harbaugh, which showed a clear shift in their organization of riding and dying with Harbaugh. You know who the Chargers GM is now? Jim Hortiz, who was tied to the Ravens and Jim's brother from 2019-2023 who was also tied to Greg Roman. Chargers who actually knew Moore were not letting him walk, until Harbaugh came and they clearly felt having Harbaugh outweighed any positives Moore would bring. And nobody would dispute that.

 

[GINeric]

That bone-headed QB sucked until the bye, when he got absolutely destroyed by the 49ers, he still couldn't throw against quarter coverages and that same QB them proceeded to throw 5 INTs in the last 5 games, with defenses dropping plenty along the way, only for that same QB to have his absolute worst playoff performance ever in year 9 and then proceeded to look even worse than he ever has in the Texas West Coast this year... Padding stats against 3 of the absoute worst secondaries in the league in the NFC East while getting beat up by good teams is a Dak staple, whether with Moore or McCarthy, because the talent surrounding him was wildly superior. He did the same thing in the Moore years Now that is not, Cooper Rush is looking more effective than him with his noodle arm.

Moore is getting jobs as soon as he's available, which is more than enough proof that teams respect his abilities. he would have been HC of the Panthers if they decided not to go with their alum Franch Reich...

And I have no argument with your opinions whether true or not.

But you still haven't answered the questions... before joining an All Star cast, when was KM ever a top coordinator known for great play design or play calling?

While you think about that answer, I'll say this... we all know Dak isn't elite. We also know all the playoff woes aren't solely on Dak.

With that said, you mentioned "stat padding" and other things to make Dak look like he is trash or something. If Dak is so bad.... how does a bad quarterback who pad stats manage to be top 10 out of at least 70 NFL quarterbacks every season, break team passing records, become All Pro and MVP candidate?

If these things are so easy, why don't we see other trash or bad quarterbacks accomplish the same things? Is Dak the first non elite, bad quarterback in history to accomplish all of these things?

Help me understand your logic vs real life facts.

 

[baltcowboy]

I’d like to agree. Hell I wish this could be the case but I think it’s going to take much more. Figure 7-10 this year, and another 4-7 win year in 25, then 26 starts slowly with the HC hire being a clear mistake but they refuse to eat the rest of the contract. So maybe the following year best case?

I think the true rebuild could have potential to start during the void years of the Prescott deal…thats IF 86 year old Jerry gets the one after the next HC hire right and shuts his mouth finally.

Took me a while, but now that I’ve finally opened my eyes, it’s difficult to have much hope. This is the Jerry Jones ego TV show, not a football team. I honestly cannot WAIT until we can discuss football again instead of moaning about Jerry, but I don’t know if and when that day is coming.

I agree with you. I am just praying something happens. I am concerned that the local media has quieted. When Jerry threatened Shan the media stopped asking the Joneses tough questions. I pray that when we go up to Philadelphia at the end of the season some one says to Jerry, at his news conference, why didn’t he get free agents like the Eagles, why didn’t he pay his assistant coaches, why didn’t he pay his players early, ect…… The Eagles did and they are about to get a top 2 seed.

 

[fivetwos]

I agree with you. I am just praying something happens. I am concerned that the local media has quieted. When Jerry threatened Shan the media stopped asking the Joneses tough questions. I pray that when we go up to Philadelphia at the end of the season some one says to Jerry, at his news conference, why didn’t he get free agents like the Eagles, why didn’t he pay his assistant coaches, why didn’t he pay his players early, ect…… The Eagles did and they are about to get a top 2 seed.

Yep, although it seems as though the worse things get, the more Jerry wants to dig in and prove himself even more so.

We are going to have to get through that period. As we all know too well, it’s about Jerry’s ego, not winning football.

It’s a shame because the roster isn’t rock bottom bad but theres no way they hire the right HC or are capable of making the moves necessary to get over the top.

 

[baltcowboy]

Yep, although it seems as though the worse things get, the more Jerry wants to dig in and prove himself even more so.

We are going to have to get through that period. As we all know too well, it’s about Jerry’s ego, not winning football.

It’s a shame because the roster isn’t rock bottom bad but theres no way they hire the right HC or are capable of making the moves necessary to get over the top.

It’s starts with who Jerry brings in as the Cowboys next head coach. I have feeling it will be another dog and pony show for clicks.

 

[KingCorcoran]

If Kellen Moore was a great coordinator.... do you think Harbaugh would have just let him walk out the door?

I think Harbaugh didn’t give Moore a thought. He knew who he wanted and followed through. Do you think the Eagles would have immediately hired Moore if they didn’t think he was a great coordinator? Look at Jim Harbaugh’s entire NFL head coaching career compared to Nick Sirianni’s. Regular season and playoffs.

Harbaugh chose Greg Roman. Sirianni now has Kellen Moore. Like anywhere else, in the NFL, he who laughs last, laughs best.

 

[khiladi]

And I have no argument with your opinions whether true or not.

But you still haven't answered the questions... before joining an All Star cast, when was KM ever a top coordinator known for great play design or play calling?

While you think about that answer, I'll say this... we all know Dak isn't elite. We also know all the playoff woes aren't solely on Dak.

With that said, you mentioned "stat padding" and other things to make Dak look like he is trash or something. If Dak is so bad.... how does a bad quarterback who pad stats manage to be top 10 out of at least 70 NFL quarterbacks every season, break team passing records, become All Pro and MVP candidate?

If these things are so easy, why don't we see other trash or bad quarterbacks accomplish the same things? Is Dak the first non elite, bad quarterback in history to accomplish all of these things?

Help me understand your logic vs real life facts.

Why do you Dak fanboys keep harping on "all pro" and "MVP candidate" in only one year when he sucked for half of it and proceeded to play his worst playoff game EVER and it carried over into this year, while looking worse that Cooper Rush?

We say Andy Dalton put up 34 PPG after the bye against bad teams when he played here and he didn't even have Martin in his prime, as the Cowboys shelved him.

Dalton, 31 pooints against the Vikings, 30 Bengals, 41 against the 49ers, 37 against the Eagles, should have won against the Giants and had 30, but Lamb dropped a wide open pass on like third down on the last series of the game..

The other point is Aubrey can kick from 60 plus yards easily and defensive TDs on TOs also count for offensive scoring per the stats...

 

[khiladi]

I think Harbaugh didn’t give Moore a thought. He knew who he wanted and followed through. Do you think the Eagles would have immediately hired Moore if they didn’t think he was a great coordinator? Look at Jim Harbaugh’s entire NFL head coaching career compared to Nick Sirianni’s. Regular season and playoffs.

Harbaugh chose Greg Roman. Sirianni now has Kellen Moore. Like anywhere else, in the NFL, he who laughs last, laughs best.

Greg Roman and the Harbaughs have ties going way back. He is their OC, just like with John and the Ravens from 2019-2022. He fits the type of style of football Jim plays offensively. Even the GM now with the Chargers is a Harbaugh guy, whose previous stint was from the Ravens.

Some coaches just have their guys...

 

[Nova]

18-14 but I get your point

whoops, yep my bad.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Greg Roman and the Harbaughs have ties going way back. He is their OC, just like with John and the Ravens from 2019-2022. He fits the type of style of football Jim plays offensively. Even the GM now with the Chargers is a Harbaugh guy, whose previous stint was from the Ravens.

Some coaches just have their guys...

So do some owners.

 

[ATXSRT]

Hmmmm.... an offensive coordinator stuck running the ball with the best back/o-line combo in the league right now.... GENIUS.

 

[erod]

Well he apparently didn't learn it in L.A. either.... he only lasted a few minutes with the Chargers.

They hired a new head coach who brought in his guys.

 

[KMY_Amber]

In Moore's 4 years as Dallas's offensive coordinator, he was the architect of the second highest scoring offense in the entire NFL. (second only to KC)

KM was never the problem in Dallas, but he made a good scapegoat.

Stats can be misleading, else Dak and McCarthy both deserve to stay together for years to come. Not! LOL