Say it again. our FA strategy is a debacle

[TheRomoSexual]

I always wonder if those who demand a "splashy" free agency period actually have followed past free agencies.

 

[Setackin]

Great guys will still try to get their money. It'll be his first "big" contract, he's gonna get paid.

Of course he will get paid, but I'd expect it to be like 18-23 mil a year. Still ALOT of money but won't crack the top 5 in 4 years. I'm not saying he will take a 10 mil a year deal.

 

[Setackin]

Russel Wilson is a good catholic boy. Look what he got paid.

He's the 7th highest paid QB. And that's around where I think Dak will be happy to get paid. My definition of team friendly is not braking top 5. But Dak will deservedly want/get top 10.

 

[Nightman]

I wonder if some of you guys have ever seen an actual debacle.

2015 when we let our POY RB leave for a little more money and our old QB got hurt and our backups were BWeeden because he was cheap and a PS WR even though we were 12-4 the year before and had plenty of space to maneuver

the fact that we stumbled into Zeke and Dak makes it worth it but at the time it was a debacle

 

[dagreat1_87]

He's the 7th highest paid QB. And that's around where I think Dak will be happy to get paid. My definition of team friendly is not braking top 5. But Dak will deservedly want/get top 10.

he might be 7th now but when he signed the deal he was the 2nd highest paid QB/player in the league behind only Rodgers and not by much. Dak will get paid more if he continues to perform anything close to how wilson did.

 

[Nightman]

Of course he will get paid, but I'd expect it to be like 18-23 mil a year. Still ALOT of money but won't crack the top 5 in 4 years. I'm not saying he will take a 10 mil a year deal.

If they extend him after next year they may get him for 5/60m if they guarantee 100% of it...... that gives him big money 2 years early and for a 4th rnd pick that is big

then after 4 years they can extend him again for 5/100m....... so overall it would be 9/160m

if he waits then it is cheap for 2019, possible 6/150m for a total of 7/151m but the money is delayed 18 months and really isn't that much more

 

[Idgit]

2015 when we let our POY RB leave for a little more money and our old QB got hurt and our backups were BWeeden because he was cheap and a PS WR even though we were 12-4 the year before and had plenty of space to maneuver

the fact that we stumbled into Zeke and Dak makes it worth it but at the time it was a debacle

Losing Romo was a debacle. Letting Demarcus Murphy walk because he wanted too much money and wanted to play for the Eagles was the right free agent decision.

 

[Nightman]

Losing Romo was a debacle. Letting Demarcus Murphy walk because he wanted too much money and wanted to play for the Eagles was the right free agent decision.

except it killed our 2015 season but we saved a couple bucks......yeah!!!!!!

 

[Idgit]

except it killed our 2015 season but we saved a couple bucks......yeah!!!!!!

Lol at the idea that not having the RB killed our 2015 season.

We'd have been the runaway division champ again with Tony in the lineup. Having Murray without Tony wouldn't have made a shred of difference.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Spending big rarely ever works. In fact, it fails spectacularly most of the time as you pay premium prices for less than premium players. They have switched to a strategy of filling holes with moderately priced free agents and using the draft as the main source of improving the team. I'm more than fine with this, especially since the cap is tight. Once Romo's contract is off the cap, things will loosen up and they will sign some bigger free agents. This year I think they are looking at playing free agency with next years comp picks in mind. They will be interested in moderately priced free agents who don't qualify in the comp pick formula or who wont cancel out a premium pick. Hopefully they can continue to have strong drafts. If so the team will be fine and in good shape in the coming years as the cap issues clear up.

I really don't think this narrative is true. Seattle spent big on Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett and won a super bowl the next year. Denver spent big on Aqib Talib, TJ Ward, and Demarcus Ware and won the super bowl the next year (or two). The Giants spent big on Olivier Vernon, Snacks Harrison, and Janoris Jenkins and went from a 6-10 team with a bottom 10 defense to a 11-5 playoff team with a top 10 defense.

 

[Idgit]

I really don't think this narrative is true. Seattle spent big on Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett and won a super bowl the next year. Denver spent big on Aqib Talib, TJ Ward, and Demarcus Ware and won the super bowl the next year (or two). The Giants spent big on Olivier Vernon, Snacks Harrison, and Janoris Jenkins and went from a 6-10 team with a bottom 10 defense to a 11-5 playoff team with a top 10 defense.

The SEA deals were actually a lot more in line with the types of deals the Cowboys have been doing. The DEN deal is a better comparison, but they went all-in because they were on a clock with Manning. Not the same situation.

And the Giants are still looking up at us.

 

[Nightman]

Lol at the idea that not having the RB killed our 2015 season.

We'd have been the runaway division champ again with Tony in the lineup. Having Murray without Tony wouldn't have made a shred of difference.

keep lying to yourself that turning to a RBBC with Randle, DMC and Dunbar had no effect

it was a a terrible cheap-o plan to save money on a 12-4 team.... the FO *** up badly

 

[Nightman]

I really don't think this narrative is true. Seattle spent big on Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett and won a super bowl the next year. Denver spent big on Aqib Talib, TJ Ward, and Demarcus Ware and won the super bowl the next year (or two). The Giants spent big on Olivier Vernon, Snacks Harrison, and Janoris Jenkins and went from a 6-10 team with a bottom 10 defense to a 11-5 playoff team with a top 10 defense.

SEA also spent big on Sidney Rice, MLynch, Percy Harvin, Matt Flynn, I forget the TE and the DEs you mentioned

Don't forget Peyton and CHarris and ESanders with DEN and a couple OL

NE tried with Randy Moss, Aquib Talib, Darrelle Revis and Marty B, mainly thru trades

 

[Idgit]

keep lying to yourself that turning to a RBBC with Randle, DMC and Dunbar had no effect

it was a a terrible cheap-o plan to save money on a 12-4 team.... the FO *** up badly

Ok, I'll keep lying to myself. It was almost completely irrelevant to the outcome of that season. What mattered was missing the QB, as we saw when Tony was in the lineup early and we went 2-0 without Murray.

 

[Nightman]

Ok, I'll keep lying to myself. It was almost completely irrelevant to the outcome of that season. What mattered was missing the QB, as we saw when Tony was in the lineup early and we went 2-0 without Murray.

Lying Eyes and revisionist history

 

[Cowboys22]

I really don't think this narrative is true. Seattle spent big on Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett and won a super bowl the next year. Denver spent big on Aqib Talib, TJ Ward, and Demarcus Ware and won the super bowl the next year (or two). The Giants spent big on Olivier Vernon, Snacks Harrison, and Janoris Jenkins and went from a 6-10 team with a bottom 10 defense to a 11-5 playoff team with a top 10 defense.

Nobody says it has never worked and will never work. I said rarely and the few examples you note do nothing to refute that. Multiple teams spend big every year and it gets them nothing. Dallas has decided the draft is a better place to build a contender and I think history is on their side. Build a strong team through the draft, get the cap back in better shape, and in a year or two they may be in position to sign a big free agent or two to push us over the top. I think that's a smart plan. Right now they stand to get multiple high comp picks next year and I think they see that as the best way forward right now. A solid draft this year and next and the team is set for a long run with plenty of cap room to keep or sign anyone they want right as this core is hitting its prime. I'm on board with this plan 100%.

 

[Idgit]

Lying Eyes and revisionist history

Neither, actually, if you watched the games. But whatever. Murray flamed out diasterously in PHI and is now on another team, and the Cowboys have moved on at both positions with their cap intact. Some debacle.

 

[Nightman]

Neither, actually, if you watched the games. But whatever. Murray flamed out diasterously in PHI and is now on another team, and the Cowboys have moved on at both positions with their cap intact. Some debacle.

2015 was the definition of a debacle.... we lost Romo, Murray and Dez and Romo again on Thanksgiving

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You don't spend money for the hell of it and think 'more $$$ = winning.'


You spend money with the intent of finding the best value. Why? Because you have a salary cap and a salary floor and getting value will ALWAYS triumph spending more money. Now, if this was pre-salary cap (and cap floor), spending more money would likely equate to more success.


Look at all of the high priced FA’s we’ve signed over the years and try to convince me that they were worth what they were getting paid…like La’Roi Glover, Anthony Henry, Marco Rivera, Brandon Carr (who we took a bath on and he’s never missed a game due to injury). You’re better off finding quality role players that are a low to mid-range price or if you do spend a lot of money…find a 1 or 2-year deal that you can get out of quickly.


I think people are so caught up in what the Giants did in FA, but I believe in due time that it will show that they didn’t get the value out of each of those FA’s and they may get 1 good year out of it in the end. Why? Because history shows us that defensive FA’s are rarely worth it and get injured a lot.




YR

 

[zrinkill]

Ok, I'll keep lying to myself. It was almost completely irrelevant to the outcome of that season. What mattered was missing the QB, as we saw when Tony was in the lineup early and we went 2-0 without Murray.

This exactly.