Scandrick decides on his own to take Garcon in the 4th

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Jacques Reeves and Alan Ball weren't as bad as Carr has been. He was on pace to give up 300 yards to Garçon.
 

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Jacques Reeves and Alan Ball weren't as bad as Carr has been. He was on pace to give up 300 yards to Garçon.

Well, he has allowed more than that before. Sigh. I'll be glad when Carr gets back to form. And yes, Scandrick is balling out.
 

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It is a bit concerning that it took a player to notice this and not a coach. Maybe they did notice it and thought different, IDK. It is never a good thing when players take it upon themselves to change things up. Is it taking initiative? Yes, but they should not do that on their own at this level.

If Carr was that dehydrated before the game, plan on limiting his snaps or have someone else start and he comes in on crucial downs to conserve what energy he had. That is a fail on the coaching staff if others saw he was not ready yet they forced him in there.

Injuries probably played into that decision to start but he appeared to not be ready from the start. It should have not taken that long to make a change, whether it came from Orlando or the coaches.


this is one of the most pathetic coaching staffs that the players know they do not have the capacity or the fortitude to make adjustements and so are doing this in the middle of games

horrible horrible coaching and people still defend it as "i like it that the players are taking it upon themselves..."
 

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Where is the Carr that shut down D Jax and Garcoun in the 1st go around inside the division.........hope he shows up Sunday nite.

As far as O Scan switching things up.........I wondered why during the Det. game with Megatron going off........the same thing--

Looks like Philly secondary has come along ways--the bears 2 Wr's were pretty quiet as a whole compared to them running free in our secondary
 

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Players with talent and insight do that at times. I don't see it as a problem if it works. I made the comment they needed to move Scandrick on Garcon. I thought the coaches had adjusted. I can promise you they didn't NOT see it and the fact they left if alone shows they aren't completely out of it. Head's up move by OScan.


"at times" makes it sound like this is not uncommon

there are 32 teams playing 16 games each (ie a lot of games), perhaps you can give me 2-3 examples of where players have changed assignments this year, in the middle of games without the coaches being involved in making that decision and not even being aware of the change, on good teams?

this is the sign of a bad coaching staff and a bad team
lets just play street ball, i will take your guy and you take mine

and our fans are actually defending this!
 

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Players with talent and insight do that at times. I don't see it as a problem if it works. I made the comment they needed to move Scandrick on Garcon. I thought the coaches had adjusted. I can promise you they didn't NOT see it and the fact they left if alone shows they aren't completely out of it. Head's up move by OScan.

They moved matchups around more than once in the game. It was not the first time Scandrick was on him. In the 4th Quarter and on that particular play he made the decision to take him. Good for him.
 

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Where is the Carr that shut down D Jax and Garcoun in the 1st go around inside the division.........hope he shows up Sunday nite.

As far as O Scan switching things up.........I wondered why during the Det. game with Megatron going off........the same thing--

Looks like Philly secondary has come along ways--the bears 2 Wr's were pretty quiet as a whole compared to them running free in our secondary

Philly got a lot of pressure and Cutler wasn't really hot. Also, Cutler's arm is so strong he throws bullets. Those two need the ball lofted and let them get it.
 

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this is one of the most pathetic coaching staffs that the players know they do not have the capacity or the fortitude to make adjustements and so are doing this in the middle of games

horrible horrible coaching and people still defend it as "i like it that the players are taking it upon themselves..."

Your passive-aggressive comments don't really serve you well. And you either never played the game or you never understood to take it upon yourself to change the defense or your play at times. Perhaps this was not allowed on your team.

On defense players make adjustments all the time esp at LB and DB. It's necessary to play smart and have some flexibility. A good coach is not going to diminish that. How do you think the Mike is going to play without making a lot of decisions himself and a lot of them instantly? For some positions almost every play requires an in play adjustment.

This is not a big story from an anti-coach stance but Scandrick ought to get some kudos for not just making that decision but to do it well; especially the latter.

That's as a member.

As a mod, I remind you and others we do not allow persistent and consistent call out threads and posts.
 

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Carr was such a solid player for us and he has regressed as much as anyone in this defense.


Kiffen has to go. Absolutely has to. I've never seen so many solid players go to garbage.

I applaud the Hatcher and Selvie efforts but the stars of this defense have just tanked.
 

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They moved matchups around more than once in the game. It was not the first time Scandrick was on him. In the 4th Quarter and on that particular play he made the decision to take him. Good for him.

I have no doubt that was the case. I get to watch some games better than others.

I think Carr is a good matchup on slower and bigger players when he's allowed to play his game. He's never been a great CB IMO and I've said so plenty of times. He has his niche and he does well with that. Scandrick is more versatile and can play players with quicks and more speed. He was the right guy to put on Garcon. And another point not being made is early on it was by design to run those drags and slants across the middle esp underneath because we had LBs out there who were inexperienced and unable to help cut those routes off. They could also have been dropping too fast without seeing that develop or they could have not dropped appropriately. That must have been addressed although we won't have the All 22 for at least a couple of days.
 

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That is just so discouraging. What the hell are the coaches getting paid for? It's like when Romo moved Dez into the slot on his own - something we all wanted.

The players must talk among themselves about this stuff. I know publicly they have to be cool but privately it's hard to see how they haven't lost confidence in the coaches.

I think some of our players are, by far, the best coaches on this team.
 

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And here I thought the axiom was "players play, coaches coach". I guess things are so bad around here that the players have to coach as well.

:rolleyes:
 

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OScan said that Carr had been under the weather and hadn't really practiced all week. Maybe physicaly he's just been a bit out of it.

Maybe OScan stepping up is what the defense and Brandon Carr need.
 

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Philly got a lot of pressure and Cutler wasn't really hot. Also, Cutler's arm is so strong he throws bullets. Those two need the ball lofted and let them get it.

can see that.......so then Trestman should adapt the scheme/routes.....or Cutler has to add skills to his game

Seems to me, a lot of the catches Marshall and his sidekick had against us---a strong arm would've been just fine for a guy running free in open space
 

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The players are winning while old Monte sleeps in his rocking chair way up high in the press box. After the game Kiffin woke up since his early 4th quarter nap and asked if we won.

love this quote by 26

Orlando Scandrick had seen enough of ill teammate Brandon Carr being overmatched by Washington Commanders receiver Pierre Garcon, who caught 11 passes for 144 yards and a touchdown. Scandrick took matters into his own hands during the fourth quarter.

“Honestly, I just took him,” Scandrick said. “We had to get a stop and I knew they were going to go to him.”
 
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