Schefter: Bruce Carter to TB

[perrykemp]

Carter played very well down the stretch, including leading the league in INT's for LB's. We lost a good player, one of our best athletes at 27 years old.

I agree with most of your sentiment Brooksey, however, for whatever reason the coaching staff <publically> called him out multiple times over the past two years over his effort. In fact, Carter in the only guy I really am aware that they did that with -- and as a rule this coaching staff almost never calls guys out publicly.

I'm only guessing here but I suspect they loved it when he was playing well but found it unacceptable that he lapsed from time to time, for whatever reason, into not giving effort.

In otherwords, maybe they felt Carter was simply coasting on his athletic ability and not actually making an actual effort to be a better football player.

All of this is a simply idle ideas, however, I don't know why else they would have let Carter go considering the ludicrously cheap and low risk contract he signed with the Bucs.

 

[CyberB0b]

He was a lazy bum who flashed greatness twice a year. Good riddance.

 

[mattjames2010]

He'll be out of the league in two years.

He was a 3-4 guy we stalled development for when switching to the 4-3. Sucks, but that's the NFL.

 

[Brooksey]

Yep he was a good athlete.

Bruce Carter was a 2nd round draft choice playing his best football at 27. In the past he was inconsistent especially when we switched his position each week. When you don't know where you are supposed to be, you play slow. Since 2011, we changed from a 3-4 to a 4-3 then changed DC twice and changed his position every other week. Some not all of his problems were with our inconsistency as a defense( type of defense and injuries) and coaching staff right up until the middle of 2014. Bruce Carter played solid at SAM because he was comfortable and played instinctively. He just did not have the ability to switch over to WILL/Mike and have the same success. This frustrated Rod Marinelli to the point where we just let him slip away for way too cheap.

It was a poor decision IMO after losing Durant and the situation that surrounds Rolando and Lee.

 

[Brooksey]

He was a lazy bum who flashed greatness twice a year. Good riddance.

He wasn't lazy, he was lost.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Bruce Carter was a 2nd round draft choice playing his best football at 27. In the past he was inconsistent especially when we switched his position each week. When you don't know where you are supposed to be, you play slow. Since 2011, we changed from a 3-4 to a 4-3 then changed DC twice and changed his position every other week. Some not all of his problems were with our inconsistency as a defense( type of defense and injuries) and coaching staff right up until the middle of 2014. Bruce Carter played solid at SAM because he was comfortable and played instinctively. He just did not have the ability to switch over to WILL/Mike and have the same success. This frustrated Rod Marinelli to the point where we just let him slip away for way too cheap.

It was a poor decision IMO after losing Durant and the situation that surrounds Rolando and Lee.

He wasn't worth meeting or topping the $4.25 mil that Tampa is paying him this season.

 

[Vintage]

There is no guarantee that Bruce even wanted to be here.

Being benched at times.

He probably wanted a fresh start.

 

[gimmesix]

I think Carter will be another Kevin Burnett. Burnett never put it all together in Dallas but ended up with a pretty solid 10 year career.

I think that's a good comparison. It was easy to tell Burnett had the ability to be a very good linebacker, but he mess up just enough to make you pause when it came to keeping him.

I like Carter, but he was great at times and awful at other times. That's a tough sell for a team that is trying to get the most bang for its bucks.

 

[gimmesix]

There is no guarantee that Bruce even wanted to be here.

Being benched at times.

He probably wanted a fresh start.

Yes, I don't think he was going to ask the team that has benched him at various times if its was willing to match. That's why I thought he was the linebacker most likely to leave. I thought Durant was the one most likely to return, though.

 

[Brooksey]

He wasn't worth meeting or topping the $4.25 mil that Tampa is paying him this season.

I disagree, that's fair market value. It was a mistake IMO, unless they have Rolando in their back pocket.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I disagree, that's fair market value. It was a mistake IMO, unless they have Rolando in their back pocket.

Who says that's "fair market value?"

 

[ThreeandOut]

I think that's a good comparison. It was easy to tell Burnett had the ability to be a very good linebacker, but he mess up just enough to make you pause when it came to keeping him.

I like Carter, but he was great at times and awful at other times. That's a tough sell for a team that is trying to get the most bang for its bucks.

For whatever reason, he never meshed well with Lee. It seems like he generally played better when Lee was out and he needed to assume more responsibility.

 

[Staubacher]

Carter jogged through too many plays. Can't blame scheme or coaching for that. Bye.

 

[JBell]

I would've re-signed Bruce back at that price. He was a monster down the stretch. Easily the best player on D the last quarter of the season.

It'll be interesting to see if the light bulb came on for him or if he was just playing for a contract.

You gotta think Lovie checked in with Marinelli re: Bruce as well.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Bruce Carter was a 2nd round draft choice playing his best football at 27. In the past he was inconsistent especially when we switched his position each week. When you don't know where you are supposed to be, you play slow. Since 2011, we changed from a 3-4 to a 4-3 then changed DC twice and changed his position every other week. Some not all of his problems were with our inconsistency as a defense( type of defense and injuries) and coaching staff right up until the middle of 2014. Bruce Carter played solid at SAM because he was comfortable and played instinctively. He just did not have the ability to switch over to WILL/Mike and have the same success. This frustrated Rod Marinelli to the point where we just let him slip away for way too cheap.

It was a poor decision IMO after losing Durant and the situation that surrounds Rolando and Lee.

Someone overpaid and we weren't coming over the top of that over to try and keep him. Maybe he didn't want to remain a Cowboy also.

 

[Brooksey]

Who says that's "fair market value?"

Mike, you should understand simple economic theory before you make so many comments on the player's worth and contract. It's obvious who set the market (TB). If you disagree on the asset value vs. the contract price you're a seller of Bruce Carter, and I just happen to be a buyer at that price. You're speculating like the rest of us, your opinion is not fact. We'll find out in a a year or two who was right. Good luck.

DEFINITION OF 'FAIR MARKET VALUE'

The price that a given property or asset would fetch in the marketplace, subject to the following conditions:

1. Prospective buyers and sellers are reasonably knowledgeable about the asset; they are behaving in their own best interests and are free of undue pressure to trade.

2. A reasonable time period is given for the transaction to be completed.

Given these conditions, an asset's fair market value should represent an accurate valuation or assessment of its worth.

 

[jobberone]

I don't get all the overpaid talk. You aren't signing him anywhere without a signing bonus. Teams aren't going to be on the hook for 5M over the first year when they can spread it out as signing bonus over 4 years or the life of the contract. And they are going to have to give some guarantee out although I suspect it will be mostly the first 1-2 years only. That's the cost of doing business for a former starter that is a good athlete even with his baggage. His base salaries will likely be small the first two years. So it's not 5M/year as a base salary. That drops him down into the good or less players' salaries somewhere in the 60-80s range for a NFL linebacker based on current salaries. It is simplistic

The question is not he was overpaid somewhere but why didn't we want to give out an average or less contract for a starting quality LBer. The answers can be we like others better and/or we don't like the player or trust him. We didn't want the guy and possibly it was mutual.

 

[jobberone]

@TomPelissero: Bruce Carter's 4-year, $17M deal with #Bucs really can be a 1-year, $4.25M pact. No other guarantees. $750K roster bonus due March 2016.

Would've done this.

See not so bad. In fact not as good as I thought he'd get. He got a one year make good contract.

 

[Brooksey]

Someone overpaid and we weren't coming over the top of that over to try and keep him. Maybe he didn't want to remain a Cowboy also.

He was not overpaid, IMO. It seems like he was forced out by Marinelli. The 4 year/20 million dollar contract is really a one year 4 million dollar contract?

If this is true, the cowboys most likely did not offer him a contract.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Mike, you should understand simple economic theory before you make so many comments on the player's worth and contract. It's obvious who set the market (TB). If you disagree on the asset value vs. the contract price you're a seller of Bruce Carter, and I just happen to be a buyer at that price. You're speculating like the rest of us, your opinion is not fact. We'll find out in a a year or two who was right. Good luck.

DEFINITION OF 'FAIR MARKET VALUE'

The price that a given property or asset would fetch in the marketplace, subject to the following conditions:

1. Prospective buyers and sellers are reasonably knowledgeable about the asset; they are behaving in their own best interests and are free of undue pressure to trade.

2. A reasonable time period is given for the transaction to be completed.

Given these conditions, an asset's fair market value should represent an accurate valuation or assessment of its worth.

You're right I do understand it.

And "No", that contract doesn't represent the value of its worth.


I'm not the only one...

(From David Moore)

Any thought why Tampa Bay, at 2-14, would want to spend $5 million a year on Bruce Carter?

David Moore: That stuns me. I tell you right there, that 4 for $20.5 million ... from what I can ascertain that's probably about what the Cowboys have offered DeMarco Murray. To me that is a very surprising number.