Schefter on potential discipline for Elliott

[Doomsday101]

What I cannot understand is how the league has decided that they can investigate players and come to opposite conclusions than law enforcement and render discipline. I could understand it in a case where evidence such as a video is made public and then no charges are brought due to a financial settlement but the league should not have the right to decide who is telling the truth in a he said she said case where law enforcement declines to bring charges. Players should not be subject to was Zeke has simply because some ex or acquaintance makes a flimsy charge. The NFL should have been done looking at this in a few weeks and come down on the side of its player due to lack of evidence, no charges, and exculpatory evidence provided by Zeke and other witnesses. I hope he has a lawyer ready to sue the league and the girl for millions if they try a discipline him. I wish he would have already come out and threatened a lawsuit if they don't exonerate him. He could be losing millions in endorsements while this is hanging over him.

Because it falls under personal conduct agreement by the NFLPA and Owners. I'm not agreeing with league that any punishment is warranted in this case. I think Zeke has shown that this woman has asked others to lie about the so called abuse and a text from her saying how she is going to get him after he breaks it off with her.

 

[Kevinicus]

LOL.

Are you serious here?

Typical media reporting there by him. Either he'll have a story or he won't. So he covered his butt. Just like he's doing here with the Elliott story.

Yes. "I've heard about it. I can't report on it now because I don't have the facts. There may never be anything there," is just so inflammatory and covering his butt. It couldn't possibly be an honest description of his experience with the rumor.

It's so much worse than all the people who are blatantly lying by saying that he was spreading the story and saying it was true.

I guess "I don't know" or "We don't know" is covering his butt

This thing with Ellitott is a big nothing burger as well, as he again just said, "we just don't know," and opined on how it was strange that it just keeps dragging out.

And I think it's important to clarify that this is in regards to Fantasy drafting.

 

[Doomsday101]

STANDARD OF CONDUCT

While criminal activity is clearly outside the scope of permissible conduct, and persons who engage in criminal activity will be subject to discipline, the standard of conduct for persons employed in the NFL is considerably higher. It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful. Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime. Discipline may be imposed in any of the following circumstances:

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/21598/nfl-personal-conduct-policy

 

[Doomsday101]

Expectations and Standards of Conduct


It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. We are all held to a higher standard and must conduct ourselves in a way that is responsible, promotes the values of the NFL, and is lawful.

If you are convicted of a crime or subject to a disposition of a criminal proceeding (as defined in this Policy), you are subject to discipline. But even if your conduct does not result in a criminal conviction, if the league finds that you have engaged in any of the following conduct, you will be subject to discipline. Prohibited conduct includes but is not limited to the following:

 Actual or threatened physical violence against another person, including dating violence, domestic violence, child abuse, and other forms of family violence;

 Assault and/or battery, including sexual assault or other sex offenses;

 Violent or threatening behavior toward another employee or a third party in any workplace setting;

 Stalking, harassment, or similar forms of intimidation;

 Illegal possession of a gun or other weapon (such as explosives, toxic substances, and the like), or possession of a gun or other weapon in any workplace setting;

 Illegal possession, use, or distribution of alcohol or drugs;

 Possession, use, or distribution of steroids or other performance enhancing substances;

 Crimes involving cruelty to animals as defined by state or federal law;

 Crimes of dishonesty such as blackmail, extortion, fraud, money laundering, or racketeering;

 Theft-related crimes such as burglary, robbery, or larceny;

 Disorderly conduct;

 Crimes against law enforcement, such as obstruction, resisting arrest, or harming a police officer or other law enforcement officer;

 Conduct that poses a genuine danger to the safety and well-being of another person; and

 Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL personnel.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2014/12/10/0ap3000000441637.pdf

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Schefter always lost me when he first started with ESPN and reported there was a 'schism' in the Vikings locker room as he reported that Vikings players actually wanted Tavaris freaking Jackson to start over Brett Favre. It was so ridiculous that it got laughed out of Minnesota by the local press. Of course, that's what the other 31 teams always have going for them...if ESPN makes some sensationalized, load of crap story their local press will defend the team over the lies. In Dallas, the local press will say 'yeah, I heard that, too!' and stick up for ESPN.

And I'm still awaiting the apology that all of these people in the media claimed they would give when the Dez tape never surfaced. Regardless of what you think of Dez and how much he is getting paid...that report of the tape cost him millions of dollars in his contract and possible endorsements.

Like the NFL, Schefter has nothing here and doesn't know what he's talking about. Asking him if he would draft a player like EE would be like asking me if I would draft a player like EE...it has no consequence nor are you asking an expert.

I think Jerry needs to step up and get the NFL to wrap this nonsense in the bud. He got the league to get a team in LA which they have been dying to do for the past 20 years and also helped facilitate the deal to move the Raiders to Vegas which is a far better option than Oakland.

I believe in the league doing their due diligence in cases like these, but this comes off like they are trying to make the evidence fit an agenda. And EE is paying the price because Goodell botched the Ray Rice situation so badly.





YR

 

[BourbonBalz]

STANDARD OF CONDUCT

While criminal activity is clearly outside the scope of permissible conduct, and persons who engage in criminal activity will be subject to discipline, the standard of conduct for persons employed in the NFL is considerably higher. It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful. Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime. Discipline may be imposed in any of the following circumstances:

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/21598/nfl-personal-conduct-policy

You still can't punish a player for something that either didn't happen at all or where there's a considerable amount of evidence that it didn't happen. If Elliott was punished/suspended because something "might" have happened, then any semblance of due process would be out the window. And yes, I know this isn't a legal matter at this point, but due process still applies. In other words, the Commissioner should not have the power to punish a player for something that he can't prove happened. How can conduct detrimental be applied if it can't be proven that Elliott actually did anything wrong?

 

[Nightman]

You still can't punish a player for something that either didn't happen at all or where there's a considerable amount of evidence that it didn't happen. If Elliott was punished/suspended because something "might" have happened, then any semblance of due process would be out the window. And yes, I know this isn't a legal matter at this point, but due process still applies. In other words, the Commissioner should not have the power to punish a player for something that he can't prove happened. How can conduct detrimental be applied if it can't be proven that Elliott actually did anything wrong?

Didn't you see the rule about dating crazy *****es????

That is his only violation.... she thought she was going to be his one and only instead of a booty call and she told him she would get him back and she did

 

[Cowboys22]

Because it falls under personal conduct agreement by the NFLPA and Owners. I'm not agreeing with league that any punishment is warranted in this case. I think Zeke has shown that this woman has asked others to lie about the so called abuse and a text from her saying how she is going to get him after he breaks it off with her.

I get that. My point is that the league seems to think they can conduct open ended fishing expeditions against their players where no real evidence of any wrongdoing exists. Absent any physical proof and/or charges from law enforcement, the league should not even open an investigation. They are making their players easy victims for blackmail from any female they ever come in contact with if all she has to do is level an accusation. If a female makes such a charge and the player publically denies it, the league should stay totally out of it until physical proof shows up in the public domain or law enforcement brings charges. When one of those things happens, by all means, investigate and discipline as the league sees fit. If the accuser has no proof and law enforcement finds nothing to go on, the league simply needs to stay out of it.

 

[Doomsday101]

You still can't punish a player for something that either didn't happen at all or where there's a considerable amount of evidence that it didn't happen. If Elliott was punished/suspended because something "might" have happened, then any semblance of due process would be out the window. And yes, I know this isn't a legal matter at this point, but due process still applies. In other words, the Commissioner should not have the power to punish a player for something that he can't prove happened. How can conduct detrimental be applied if it can't be proven that Elliott actually did anything wrong?

I don't agree with it but NFL has a conduct policy and it says "even if your conduct does not result in a criminal conviction, if the league finds that you have engaged in any of the following conduct, you will be subject to discipline" People continue to say the NFL can't but they can and NFLPA agreed to it. This is not a matter of if I agree with it or not fact is it is in the league policy. Right now Zeke has not been punished correct? The league is investigating the incident and can do so under said policy.

 

[Doomsday101]

I get that. My point is that the league seems to think they can conduct open ended fishing expeditions against their players where no real evidence of any wrongdoing exists. Absent any physical proof and/or charges from law enforcement, the league should not even open an investigation. They are making their players easy victims for blackmail from any female they ever come in contact with if all she has to do is level an accusation. If a female makes such a charge and the player publically denies it, the league should stay totally out of it until physical proof shows up in the public domain or law enforcement brings charges. When one of those things happens, by all means, investigate and discipline as the league sees fit. If the accuser has no proof and law enforcement finds nothing to go on, the league simply needs to stay out of it.

They can, that is the point. I understand where others are coming from but it is part of the league policy. Saying they can't well as an argument is all well and good but I have shown that they can it is part of the NFL player conduct policy. No guilty verdict is required, they are doing their investigation and I have no doubt the NFLPA will have something to say about this once a verdict by the league actually happen. You are giving me your feelings and opinion I can respect that and frankly agree with your sentiments but say the league can't well they can

 

[Cowboys22]

I don't agree with it but NFL has a conduct policy and it says "even if your conduct does not result in a criminal conviction, if the league finds that you have engaged in any of the following conduct, you will be subject to discipline" People continue to say the NFL can't but they can and NFLPA agreed to it. This is not a matter of if I agree with it or not fact is it is in the league policy. Right now Zeke has not been punished correct? The league is investigating the incident and can do so under said policy.

But that the whole argument. How can the league determine a player engaged in conduct when there is no evidence and law enforcement decided there is nothing to go on? Why do they need more than a year to investigate a flimsy charge by an ex girlfriend who has no evidence, witnesses who say it didn't happen, and police who won't bring any charges? Are they really going to suspend a player based on some girl's claim when there is evidence that she is only seeking revenge for getting dumped?

 

[Doomsday101]

But that the whole argument. How can the league determine a player engaged in conduct when there is no evidence and law enforcement decided there is nothing to go on? Why do they need more than a year to investigate a flimsy charge by an ex girlfriend who has no evidence, witnesses who say it didn't happen, and police who won't bring any charges? Are they really going to suspend a player based on some girl's claim when there is evidence that she is only seeking revenge for getting dumped?

How can the NFLPA agree to this policy? They did. I think you are correct in what you are saying all I am saying is when people say the League can't do this, well they can and it was agreed to by the NFLPA under a policy that players, coaches and owners were all given.

Personally I think nothing will come of this unless their is some evidence that we do not know about. From what I have seen and likely you have seen this woman even asked others to lie and those people have acknowledged that. Frankly if I was Zeke I would talk to my lawyer about suing this woman. As for the league they can and are running their own investigation but have not handed down any punishment

 

[Cowboys22]

They can, that is the point. I understand where others are coming from but it is part of the league policy. Saying they can't well as an argument is all well and good but I have shown that they can it is part of the NFL player conduct policy. No guilty verdict is required, they are doing their investigation and I have no doubt the NFLPA will have something to say about this once a verdict by the league actually happen. You are giving me your feelings and opinion I can respect that and frankly agree with your sentiments but say the league can't well they can

I understand the CBA gives them ability to do what hey are doing. I'm not arguing that. I'm simply saying that I have no idea how they could even remotely get close to a suspension in this case. Is the league really going to come out and say, "Even though there is no evidence to support her claim, we believe her story and therefore suspend our newest brightest star RB for 6 games." I hope the NFLPA holds firm to fixing this the next chance they get. I would be fine with losing an entire season to get this issue resolved. There needs to be a clear minimum standard for the league to investigate anything. I think there being some actual proof is a good place to start.

 

[Doomsday101]

I understand the CBA gives them ability to do what hey are doing. I'm not arguing that. I'm simply saying that I have no idea how they could even remotely get close to a suspension in this case. Is the league really going to come out and say, "Even though there is no evidence to support her claim, we believe her story and therefore suspend our newest brightest star RB for 6 games." I hope the NFLPA holds firm to fixing this the next chance they get. I would be fine with losing an entire season to get this issue resolved.

I agree unless there is some evidence we do not know about.

 

[Cowboys22]

I agree unless there is some evidence we do not know about.

How would the league have that and not the police? If there was actual proof, there would have been charges filed and we would know all about it.

 

[Doomsday101]

How would the league have that and not the police? If there was actual proof, there would have been charges filed and we would know all about it.

Because the standard the police have to make an arrest is different than the NFL, this is why they put in the policy that is does not require a conviction or arrest for disciplinary action to be handed down

 

[NotForLong]

No you're not.

If the league is enough to make you be done. Then you're not really a huge fan of this team.

I'm just going to assume you're letting your emotions talk.

Too an extent you are right. But I am tired of them playing with my emotions.

As I said, it would be hard considering how bright the future is. But it is becoming an acumlative effect.

After last 2 endings in playoffs that were completely stolen

The 3rd time will be the last. I will not be angry and will have no regrets.

My love of this team is not the issue nor could it ever be doubted. Its actually the reason I will walk away, it will be to protect my heart. I said it after the catch non catch. But didnt really mean it like you are implying, but this time will be the tipping point

Its my tag. And the reason maybe my Avatar. Love Zeke as a player but the cringe worthy red carpet fiasco. Made it perfectly clear that this kid is a powder keg in waiting. Combine this with the fact he has the self restraint of a 15 year old.

Being drafted by the Cowboys and leading the league in rushing his rookie season makes him Big Game. Goodell would love to mount his head on the wall as a trophy.

This is not gonna end well and I am preparing myself for it now.

LIL SIDE NOTE (dont judge please)
After the mandella effect hit me over the head in march of 2016 The NFL doesnt seam as important as it once did

 

[BourbonBalz]

I don't agree with it but NFL has a conduct policy and it says "even if your conduct does not result in a criminal conviction, if the league finds that you have engaged in any of the following conduct, you will be subject to discipline" People continue to say the NFL can't but they can and NFLPA agreed to it. This is not a matter of if I agree with it or not fact is it is in the league policy. Right now Zeke has not been punished correct? The league is investigating the incident and can do so under said policy.

You either missed or just ignored my entire point. How can anything be even remotely considered poor conduct if it didn't happen or you can't prove it did happen???? If he didn't do anything to the woman (which is supported by the evidence), there is NO conduct to consider. No one can say, well, there's no evidence that Elliott did anything that can be considered bad conduct but we're going to suspend him anyway just in case he did. That's absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Doomsday101]

You either missed or just ignored my entire point. How can anything be even remotely considered poor conduct if it didn't happen or you can't prove it did happen???? If he didn't do anything to the woman (which is supported by the evidence), there is NO conduct to consider. No one can say, well, there's no evidence that Elliott did anything that can be considered bad conduct but we're going to suspend him anyway just in case he did. That's absolutely ridiculous.

and has he been suspended in any way shape or form? You have a legit gripe had the NFL suspended him but they have not. The league is investigating all of the circumstances. What I have said is according to the policy you do not need to be convicted to be punished. It is not my rule, I did not write it or make it up. It is what NFLPA and the NFL agreed to.

 

[ALBIT]

As far as Schfeter goes, he has become a typical ESPN clown now in my opinion. It was almost comical and so awfully staged when on Free Agency day he was Mike and Mike and they show him on his phone and had to step away to act like he is getting all this great information. It was embarrassing. Everytime he was on the air they had his phone ring or him answering a text. It was a complete joke.