Schlereth: Makes No Sense For Cowboys To Draft McFadden...

[silverbear]

Was that a shot across the bow - or is it mosquito season already?

Neither, actually...

Barber labored in a two-back system... and NOT that i have any problem with that. But he's a rough and ready baller who did everything asked of him. While guys logging more carries mighta blown you away (and all 17 ahead had more CPG than Barber) - how many of them had a higher YPC? 17? Uh... nope. Try 3.

But this is another argument that he has the POTENTIAL to BECOME a top 5 back in the league, not that he is CURRENTLY a top 5 back in the league...

Yards per carry is a funny little stat, sometimes guys who put up good numbers in that department in limited carries don't do NEARLY as well when they're asked to shoulder a full load... Troy Hambrick is a classic example of that... so until he can prove that he can put up that kind of a YPC average while totin' the rock 300-350 times, he's simply not a top 5 back in the league...

Butif you insist on rating running backs on yards per carry alone, Barber ranks 10th among RBs with at least 100 carries in that stat... so using your own argument, he's still just a top 10 back, not a top 5 back...

If and when he goes out on the field and puts up numbers worthy of being called a top 5 back in the NFL, I'll be happy to post as much in here...

You can't un-sell me on Barber. He's for real...

I'm not trying to un-sell you on anything, hoss, I'm simply battling back hyperbole where I find it...

 

[SuspectCorner]

Neither, actually...



But this is another argument that he has the POTENTIAL to BECOME a top 5 back in the league, not that he is CURRENTLY a top 5 back in the league...

Yards per carry is a funny little stat, sometimes guys who put up good numbers in that department in limited carries don't do NEARLY as well when they're asked to shoulder a full load... Troy Hambrick is a classic example of that... so until he can prove that he can put up that kind of a YPC average while totin' the rock 300-350 times, he's simply not a top 5 back in the league...

Butif you insist on rating running backs on yards per carry alone, Barber ranks 10th among RBs with at least 100 carries in that stat... so using your own argument, he's still just a top 10 back, not a top 5 back...

If and when he goes out on the field and puts up numbers worthy of being called a top 5 back in the NFL, I'll be happy to post as much in here...



I'm not trying to un-sell you on anything, hoss, I'm simply battling back hyperbole where I find it...

No hyperbole here. Guess which RB had the most YPG in the playoffs? I'll give ya three guesses...

 

[masomenos]

One might, if one wished, argue that he has the POTENTIAL to BECOME a top 5 back in the league, but there is no rational argument to be made for him being even a top 10 back at this point in time...

I think the argument is that ability wise Barber is a top 5 or top 10 back.

 

[burmafrd]

Hambone hada very high YPC average while playing part time. So just because MB3 has one with a low number of carries does not mean that he will keep it if he doubles the number of carries or even increases by only half. The record for the NFL for season YPC is LESS then MB3's average this last season. So frankly to say that he could keep it up is a joke. I do not doubt that he could keep a 4.4 average with 300 carries; but that is about it. That would give him 1320 yds for a year and would indeed make him a top 10 back. BUT he has not YET done it- and untill he does its wrong to call him one. He has the talent- but he has not done it.

 

[silverbear]

No hyperbole here. Guess which RB had the most YPG in the playoffs? I'll give ya three guesses...

A nice stat that ultimately means nothing, except that he had one good game...

 

[silverbear]

I think the argument is that ability wise Barber is a top 5 or top 10 back.

And I'd argue that's rating him too highly... he's good, but he ain't that good... I'm convinced that his max potential is 1200-1250 yards in a season...

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Makes perfect sense as long as it's at 22 and not a trade up. That'll never happen though.

We can only dream it would happen

 

[Dhragon]

The problem with Barber is we'll have to pay him like he was a top 5 RB even though to get the best out of him we'd have to keep playing him part-time only.

That's the main reason if we had the opportunity to trade ONE of our #1's and Barber I'd do it. Both our #1's and Barber is way too much though.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Makes perfect sense as long as it's at 22 and not a trade up. That'll never happen though.

Maybe McFadden will get Aaron Rodgers'd

NOT!

 

[CNY Cowboy]

Just my 2 cents ,but getting Mcfadden would be a GREAT addition ,but at what cost??

I think we should look at our needs before our wants.

Again , just my 2cents.

 

[Teague31]

And I'd argue that's rating him too highly... he's good, but he ain't that good... I'm convinced that his max potential is 1200-1250 yards in a season...

and what exactly is wrong with 1200 yards a season? add that to Romo throwing for 4,000 yards a season and we are set for a long time.

 

[MTCowboys88]

And I'd argue that's rating him too highly... he's good, but he ain't that good... I'm convinced that his max potential is 1200-1250 yards in a season...

It's obvious the effect Barber has on defenses - he brings the wood each and every time he carries. The dude is violent. And to gauge how good a RB is by simply looking at his total yards is selling Marion short. He brings much more to the game than just yards - blocking, receiving, emotion, and the wear and tear he inflicts on the defense. Case in point- he was voted into the Pro Bowl by his peers with 975 yards rushing. Add everything up and IMO he's "that good". If you put truth serum in every NFL coach, I would bet the majority would take Marion's 275 carries over their existing back's 300+ carries.

I'm cool with 250-275 carries for 1250-1300 yards. We're not asking him to be a work horse like Emmitt, nor will he have the longevity Emmitt had. The draft is loaded with backs that will complement Barber to a tee. And they will only be required to take 125-150 carries. I know it's been said before, but the league is changing -a lot of teams are moving away from the bell-cows and employing a committee approach to keep each back fresh and at full speed. I would submit that Tomlinson has been breaking down in the last few years because he's been overused.
Schlereth probably is basing his statement on the fact that Barber was in the Pro Bowl - there were only 6 RB's there, so in his mind,he's a top 5 back. Or maybe Schlereth knows from playing the game, that there is much more to a back than simply yards.
Personally, I don't care whether he's ranked top 5, top 10, or top 20. I'll take every nasty carry he can give us.

 

[the kid 05]

Maybe McFadden will get Aaron Rodgers'd

NOT!

a better analogy would be he got Quinned

 

[masomenos]

And I'd argue that's rating him too highly... he's good, but he ain't that good... I'm convinced that his max potential is 1200-1250 yards in a season...

I think that rating him in the top 5 is a bit of a stretch at this point, but I do think you can make a pretty legitimate case for him being in the top 10.

 

[Nors]

Mark Schlereth from ESPN NFL Live, said it makes no sense for the Cowboys to sell the farm for one guy, Darren Mcfadden when you have a Probowler and a top five back in the NFL in Marion The Barberian Barber!!!

spot on,

someone lock this thread down

 

[ctrous25]

Was that a shot across the bow - or is it mosquito season already?

Barber labored in a two-back system... and NOT that i have any problem with that. But he's a rough and ready baller who did everything asked of him. While guys logging more carries mighta blown you away (and all 17 ahead had more CPG than Barber) - how many of them had a higher YPC? 17? Uh... nope. Try 3.

You can't un-sell me on Barber. He's for real...

The Barbarian

 

[CF74]

I just got off the tele with Mark and he said, "I meant what I said damnit, he's a Top 5 back!!!" "Off the record, most DB's told me they piss their pants when they see him coming.."

 

[Big Dakota]

Well, I see the argument for keeping Barber, and drafting a complement for him...

But calling him a top five backs in the league is beyond asinine...

Just for S's and G's here are the top 20 backs this year as far as yards go. Only 6 of which scored 10 or more TDs, and Barber was one. (Barber #18 in yards)

Tomlinson
Peterson
Westbrook
Parker
Lewis
Portis
James
McGahee
Taylor
T.Jones
Lynch
White
Gore
Addai
Fargas
Jacobs
Jackson
Grant
Graham


Give me the ones you'd take over MBIII over the next 5 years.

Mine...
Tomlinson
Peterson


That's it IMHO. One could argue for Addai or Parker or maybe Grant, but not in my book. The only ones outside the top 20 i'd consider are Jones-Drew and Maroney. Larry Johnson and S Alexander might get consideration if they were healthy. The rest are too old or not in MBIII's classs IMHO.

 

[BourbonBalz]

All that I am saying, you are taking it wrong, I want us to continue building the defense. Yes, we did it with coaches, now do it with players.

Defense is about all we've drafted the past few years. We need some skilled speed players on offense. And no, I'm not in favor of trading up to get McFAdden. I do, however, want Felix Jones and a WR, along with a top notch CB.

 

[Redball Express]

There is good precident for us to move up and take a #1 draft spot.

We did it to get Dorsett under Landry and we did it again when Jimmy Johnson was here and they were trying to pick 'The Rocket' Ismail but ended up taking Russell Maryland instead. They did it with Hershel Walker and the trade to Minnesota.

We have done such trades and come out of it with Championships to show for it...let's not forget.

Jerry then did another big trade trying to land a key explosive guy in giving #1's to Seattle for their problem WR. That was a complete failure as we know.

But this team has a long history of trying to go after players at the top of the draft but being back in the pack to start with or going after top FA's or players and using our #1's to do it.

Actually, I see it, happening for a ton of reasons that all parallel those previous draft day whoppers.

But other than a McFadden..is there any other players we would also highly move up to get other than McFadden...?

Because while I think it's all being leaked that McFadden is our target, the reality is that it maybe a smokescreen to another trade up to take somebody they want just as bad.

Maybe a WR or maybe a CB.

Or shots at both. And not go all out for what McFadden would cost us.

I could see Dallas actually packaging both their #1's this year along with draft picks either this year or next year, including our #1 next year..

..to move up several spots and take two players we see in the top 10 players for positions of need at either RB, WR or CB that would be impact players immediately.

There are other players and combos of players besides McFadden that would be just as pursuable at a draft position like 8-15 slots.

McFadden to me is a possibility, but we have clearly defined needs at all three positions and McFadden isn't the only one worth packaging some picks to go after.

And to me, the fact that Dallas is only being rumored to be interested in going after McFadden is just diversion. Dallas is looking at everything but I doubt they will reach out to any teams and explore it because the leaks would be unstoppable and other teams would try to trump it if they caught wind and teams would shop it anyway.

So dream about McFadden, yes. But what is actually going to happen is the funner part.

We'll see.



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