Schottenheimer just makes so much sense

[cowboyfan4life2]

By whom?

The rest of the nfc east

 

[conner01]

1) He is the son of a famous former HC. Jerry loves that.

2) He is a first time HC, desperate for a chance at a head gig. Jerry loves that. He can use that to leverage authority over Schottenheimer as he jams his preferred assistants (cough, cough, Witten) down the throat of Brian.

3) He's probably fairly cheap, relatively speaking, for a HC. You know Jerry loves that.

4) He's been in the building already, so Jerry already knows him. Jerry loves that as he doesn't have to put a ton of effort and money into an exhaustive search.

5) It's a controversial hire which means Jerry gets tons of publicity but also, it fits right in with Jerry's belief he's a maverick and a football genius and the people don't know how good Schottenheimer is. When he succeeds, it will make Jerry look like the football genius he so desperately wants to be seen as.

6) Schottenheimer isn't going to squawk in the offseason about FAs, etc. In fact, I suspect Jerry basically told him this is what you are going get, can you live with that? This gets back to #2 - desperation.

You'll note that nowhere on this list is any talk of Schottenheimer's coaching acumen. Because, honestly, he has none. But that's secondary to Jerry. There are more important factors in hiring a coach than whether or not the coach in question has shown a great aptitude at what he does.

This franchise is so screwed. In fact, I am pretty sure now that Philly and Washington has lapped us, the Giants may do so in the next year or two.

So true

 

[raw2war]

I’d sooner take John Gruden over Schottenheimer.

I don’t understand this front office.

 

[Pass2Run]

After letting Mike McCarthy leave in as awkward a fashion as possible last week, it seemed like the Dallas Cowboys had narrowed the focus of their head coaching search to Philadelphia Eagles offensive coordinator (and former Cowboys coach and player) Kellen Moore. Dallas fans were ... unenthused, to say the least: Moore's history as a coordinator isn't quite as sterling as, say, Ben Johnson or Aaron Glenn, and he doesn't come with nearly the sort of leadership experience as big-name candidates like Mike Vrabel, Bill Belichick or Deion Sanders, creating the impression that Jones was just falling back on hiring the guy he was most familiar with.

Now, though, Cowboys fans would probably kill to go back to a time when Moore seemed to be atop their team's wish list. Dallas looks poised to hire a former offensive coordinator alright, but it's not Moore — it's Brian Schottenheimer, who appears to be drawing serious consideration after spending the last two years as OC under McCarthy. Dallas has asked Schottenheimer back for a second interview, and while nothing is done just yet, he seems like a very real possibility. Which should strike fear into the hearts of anyone familiar with his resume.

Brian Schottenheimer's resume should have Cowboys fans very nervous​

You'll often hear talk of someone's coaching tree, the path they took and the coaches they worked under on their way up the ranks. And for good reason: The coaches you work under often have the most influence on how you view everything from scheme to scouting to organizing a practice to managing a locker room. And in Schottenheimer's case, that tree has bore some very rotten fruit.

As if the last name wasn't a dead giveaway, Schottenheimer broke into the NFL thanks to his dad, former head coach Marty, under whom Brian served as QB coach with the Chargers from 2002 through 2005 — otherwise known as the period that nearly short-circuited Drew Brees' career before it got off the ground. Marty was always known as among the most offensively regressive coaches in the league, and that's been something of a theme in Brian's career: After a few years in San Diego, he moved on to the New York Jets, where he served as offensive coordinator under first Eric Mangini and then Rex Ryan. Schottenheimer's offenses were consistently run-first, run-second slogs, never doing enough to support the team's solid defenses.

LINK https://fansided.com/brian-schotten...-with-laundry-list-of-reasons-not-to-hire-him

 

[Runwildboys]

over the years, i've seen it a lot. not about to go back and find examples.

feel free.

many have said they can't wait for jerry to go so stephen can take over. i always thought it iwas more or less the same thing.

Okay, I see what you're saying. I thought you meant there were people who thought SJ would actually be good. You're talking about the ones who think (or thought) he wouldn't be as bad.

 

[DuncanIso]

1) He is the son of a famous former HC. Jerry loves that.

2) He is a first time HC, desperate for a chance at a head gig. Jerry loves that. He can use that to leverage authority over Schottenheimer as he jams his preferred assistants (cough, cough, Witten) down the throat of Brian.

3) He's probably fairly cheap, relatively speaking, for a HC. You know Jerry loves that.

4) He's been in the building already, so Jerry already knows him. Jerry loves that as he doesn't have to put a ton of effort and money into an exhaustive search.

5) It's a controversial hire which means Jerry gets tons of publicity but also, it fits right in with Jerry's belief he's a maverick and a football genius and the people don't know how good Schottenheimer is. When he succeeds, it will make Jerry look like the football genius he so desperately wants to be seen as.

6) Schottenheimer isn't going to squawk in the offseason about FAs, etc. In fact, I suspect Jerry basically told him this is what you are going get, can you live with that? This gets back to #2 - desperation.

You'll note that nowhere on this list is any talk of Schottenheimer's coaching acumen. Because, honestly, he has none. But that's secondary to Jerry. There are more important factors in hiring a coach than whether or not the coach in question has shown a great aptitude at what he does.

This franchise is so screwed. In fact, I am pretty sure now that Philly and Washington has lapped us, the Giants may do so in the next year or two.

Take a look at the 2024 offense.

yup.

 

[JustChip]

So why not hire a coordinator with a good resume?

Personally, I’d rather have a coordinators that ran their respective groups, including calling plays. The HC can then set the tone and overall goals, along with managing the game. There are successes and failures of both scenarios. The 2 best coaches the Cowboys have ever had were 1 of each.

The biggest potential issue with a separate OC is the loss of continuity if the OC is hired as a HC. But if the OC is doing his job, there’ll be someone he’s been grooming to advance.

I’m not advocating for Schottenheimer. But neither am I going to label him a failure ahead of time. Particularly given I have no control or input. Personally, I would prefer Deion simply because I believe he is one of the very few that mitigate Jerry being Jerry.

 

[pansophy]

Personally, I’d rather have a coordinators that ran their respective groups, including calling plays. The HC can then set the tone and overall goals, along with managing the game. There are successes and failures of both scenarios. The 2 best coaches the Cowboys have ever had were 1 of each.

The biggest potential issue with a separate OC is the loss of continuity if the OC is hired as a HC. But if the OC is doing his job, there’ll be someone he’s been grooming to advance.

I’m not advocating for Schottenheimer. But neither am I going to label him a failure ahead of time. Particularly given I have no control or input. Personally, I would prefer Deion simply because I believe he is one of the very few that mitigate Jerry being Jerry.

I would also prefer Deion. My hunch is that Schottenheimer is to assure that Dak doesn't have to learn a new offense more than it being about money or who would be the best head coach from a culture standpoint.

 

[ShiningStar]

I’m going to take a contrarian view. I have zero idea how Schottenheimer will do as HC. He’s only been a Coordinator with questionable results. But there are plenty of outstanding coordinators that failed miserably as a head coach. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as long as a creative OC is brought onboard.

im hestitantily on board IF and ONLY if he brings in a good staff taht he picked.

Whether i like them or not, i really want him to make his own staff.

 

[JustChip]

im hestitantily on board IF and ONLY if he brings in a good staff taht he picked.

Whether i like them or not, i really want him to make his own staff.

I’m hoping staff is an integral part of his interview(s). Jerry should be asking who he wants and then go make it so. But given Jerry is Jerry, who knows. At least he hasn’t announced coordinator hires before a HC. At least thus far.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

I would also prefer Deion. My hunch is that Schottenheimer is to assure that Dak doesn't have to learn a new offense more than it being about money or who would be the best head coach from a culture standpoint.

Mr 240 mil should learn whatever offense he's told to learn.

 

[pansophy]

Mr 240 mil should learn whatever offense he's told to learn.

I don’t disagree, but the reverse logic also holds that if you pay a guy that much you don’t want to sink 18 months into getting ROI on that money.

I’d rather see Deion with a coordinator that will get the most out of Dak, but I can see the logic of it.

 

[charron]

1) He is the son of a famous former HC. Jerry loves that.

2) He is a first time HC, desperate for a chance at a head gig. Jerry loves that. He can use that to leverage authority over Schottenheimer as he jams his preferred assistants (cough, cough, Witten) down the throat of Brian.

3) He's probably fairly cheap, relatively speaking, for a HC. You know Jerry loves that.

4) He's been in the building already, so Jerry already knows him. Jerry loves that as he doesn't have to put a ton of effort and money into an exhaustive search.

5) It's a controversial hire which means Jerry gets tons of publicity but also, it fits right in with Jerry's belief he's a maverick and a football genius and the people don't know how good Schottenheimer is. When he succeeds, it will make Jerry look like the football genius he so desperately wants to be seen as.

6) Schottenheimer isn't going to squawk in the offseason about FAs, etc. In fact, I suspect Jerry basically told him this is what you are going get, can you live with that? This gets back to #2 - desperation.

You'll note that nowhere on this list is any talk of Schottenheimer's coaching acumen. Because, honestly, he has none. But that's secondary to Jerry. There are more important factors in hiring a coach than whether or not the coach in question has shown a great aptitude at what he does.

This franchise is so screwed. In fact, I am pretty sure now that Philly and Washington has lapped us, the Giants may do so in the next year or two.

Dude I thought you were about to make the case of shotty being the HC and I was gonna start calling on a welfare check on you. Too bad there isn't a competency check to be owner.

 

[Teague31]

Just do it already. Name Witten OC and head coach in waiting. Bring in Sean Lee to run the D. Maybe Bill Bates to run ST

 

[RonWashington]

Deion Sanders would eclipse the Jones Orbit can’t have that .

 

[rocknrobcowboy]

 

[RonWashington]

Pete Carroll was getting noise . What’s a major difference between him and Mike Mac ? One SB win not recently and no real playoff damage lately . Why Pete Carroll ?

 

[RonWashington]

Joe Brady Chris Shula Zac Orr all young coordinators sitting out there Jerry all should be interviewed. . Ignore Stephen put him on blast .

 

[beware_d-ware]

Also, Dak knows Schotty's offense and wouldn't have to put in any work to change. Seamless transition for our franchise player.

Should it change? Probably. But comfort is what we do here.

 

[IceStar-D7]

Schottie will keep the offense the same with a few wrinkles here and there. A new coach outside of the building means turning everything over. BoZo doesn't want that. Remember. BoZo just wants to stay relevant. This keeps Dallas in the news. They won't suck but they will be talked about.