Scott Gragg

[AsthmaField]

Thanks junk and LTN. That's exactly the type of info I wanted.

How do you guys think he compares to Ross Verba?

That's who I'd like to see us sign. I think he may require a little too much money though, but I think he's still a pretty good player.

Imagine if we had him. Our OL would be settled and we could let Petitti sit and learn and move Tucker to G, which I think would be a better position for him.

Verba might would cost too much... but he'd give us peace of mind and a tough presence between two tough guys Campbell and Rivera.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Thanks junk and LTN. That's exactly the type of info I wanted.

How do you guys think he compares to Ross Verba?

That's who I'd like to see us sign. I think he may require a little too much money though, but I think he's still a pretty good player.

Imagine if we had him. Our OL would be settled and we could let Petitti sit and learn and move Tucker to G, which I think would be a better position for him.

Verba might would cost too much... but he'd give us peace of mind and a tough presence between two tough guys Campbell and Rivera.

**, my sense is that tho Verba is more versatile and has played quite a bit at guard too, he is no more talented, or explosive , or effective in space than Gragg.

But I also think Verba has a nasty streak much more pronounced than Gragg's..a more aggressive player.

I could be wrong..just the feeling I've gotten over the years.

If Vollers were just one more degree talented, TT one whit less dense, or Pettiti one iota less callow, we'd be larfing our arses off at the mere mention of both these guy's names.

 

[AsthmaField]

**, my sense is that tho Verba is more versatile and has played quite a bit at guard too, he is no more talented, or explosive , or effective in space than Gragg.

But I also think Verba has a nasty streak much more pronounced than Gragg's..a more aggressive player.

I could be wrong..just the feeling I've gotten over the years.

If Vollers were just one more degree talented, TT one whit less dense, or Pettiti one iota less callow, we'd be larfing our arses off at the mere mention of both these guy's names.

Thanks.

I hate to fall back on this, but if Parcells really thinks either Gragg or Verba could really help us that much, you'd have to think that he'd go sign one of them. If he really thinks Petitti and Tucker and Vollers is that much less effective than either of the two free agents, hopefully he'll make that move.

If he doesn't do anything... then he probably thinks they wouldn't be that much better.

Personally, I hope Petitti makes it an easy decision for Bill, takes the bull by the horns, and wins the battle at RT outright.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Personally, I hope Petitti makes it an easy decision for Bill, takes the bull by the horns, and wins the battle at RT outright.

Me too, **.

But Tucker keeps hanging on...see Bill just named him "EL Gato", "not for any cat-like quality but because he has nine lives".

By now, El Gato's gotta be pushing that tenth..

 

[jterrell]

Gragg's agent should lose his license if he makes this deal. Let's see, give up the $$ guarantees in place of a deal that assures his client is released before getting the roster bonus. Silly.

Where's the better offer coming from?
Gragg is looking to get a deal done to play in the NFL and turning down the vet minimum would be insane. He could also feel pretty confident considering his competition at RT. That min salary would be guaranteed which is important because he has exactly 20 days to get a guaranteed contract.

Gregg got released because he was going to cost 3 million.

I am pretty sure he isn't expecting a contract that would make TO blush.

 

[AbeBeta]

Where's the better offer coming from?
Gragg is looking to get a deal done to play in the NFL and turning down the vet minimum would be insane. He could also feel pretty confident considering his competition at RT. That min salary would be guaranteed which is important because he has exactly 20 days to get a guaranteed contract.

Gregg got released because he was going to cost 3 million.

I am pretty sure he isn't expecting a contract that would make TO blush.

The vet minimum isn't a good offer at this point because he could get that by signing 20 days from now -- without having to play preseason. No vet lineman in the league wants to play some extra games for free. Gragg knows that vet minimum is out there for him regardless of when he signs. Players go down etc. so he'll have a job. Actually I'd be surprised if he didn't already have offers on the table for the minimum.

We have to face that BP is giving Petiti and Tucker every chance to win this position. Unless these guys have a total meltdown, Gragg (or anyone else) isn't coming in until the 2nd week if at all.

 

[jterrell]

The vet minimum isn't a good offer at this point because he could get that by signing 20 days from now -- without having to play preseason. No vet lineman in the league wants to play some extra games for free. Gragg knows that vet minimum is out there for him regardless of when he signs. Players go down etc. so he'll have a job. Actually I'd be surprised if he didn't already have offers on the table for the minimum.

We have to face that BP is giving Petiti and Tucker every chance to win this position. Unless these guys have a total meltdown, Gragg (or anyone else) isn't coming in until the 2nd week if at all.

The vet minimum for Gragg is 700k plus.
If signed this week he'd play a couple of snaps next week then get probably one half of preseason work in the tune up game 4. The team is no longer in Training Camp and not giving yourself some time to get in football shape for a guy with 10 years service would be silly.

BP IS trying to give Pettiti/Tucker every chance but neither are proven guys like Gragg. They probably will wait until week 2 to add someone but I hate that idea. If we need another OT don't be a cheap arse just go get the guy in a sensible deal.

A vet min deal and a 1 mil bonus week 8 would give Gragg a 1.7+ mil pay day for the season with a guarantee worst case of over 700k for 7 weeks. You say thats a bad deal but I think you are absolutely incorrect and that what ultimately happens will bear that out.


Week 1 we play a fairly comparable SD team with a similar run the ball, play 3-4 defense approach. If they are without Gates we have a chance to steal a game many wrote off as a loss. You dont rob yourself of that chance because you are scared of paying 700k.

 

[burmafrd]

We want to keep that extra salary cap money for resigning people during the season- Witten in particular. BP will not go after a RT unless he is convinced he has to.

 

[jterrell]

We want to keep that extra salary cap money for resigning people during the season- Witten in particular. BP will not go after a RT unless he is convinced he has to.

We tried that last year at RCB and ended up paying out a huge payday the very next season.

The cost would be minimal because you subtract whoever gets cut from the hit this year.

Witten will get paid regardless of who else we sign.

 

[junk]

If Vollers were just one more degree talented, TT one whit less dense, or Pettiti one iota less callow, we'd be larfing our arses off at the mere mention of both these guy's names.

I agree with you 100% here. I usually hate adding a vet on his last legs if it won't put the team over the top. However, in this case, I hope the guy would provide some vet leadership and mentoring and prevent the position from holding Bill hostage as he likes to say.

Thats why I like Gragg better than Verba. I think he has better character. Plus Verba is a former Hawkeye.

Training camps have begun all around the NFL, which starts its regular season Sept. 8, and former Montana standout Scott Gragg hasn't been sweating through any of them.

"I'm enjoying August in Missoula," said Gragg, a 10-year veteran who was released by the San Francisco 49ers in the spring. "I haven't been able to say that too many times."

Gragg had visited with Detroit and Pittsburgh, and said that talks with the Steelers are ongoing. He said more recently, New Orleans and Dallas have contacted him. The 315-pound left tackle feels he'll find a job, but he'd rather have it sooner than later.

"I've been blessed to have the opportunity to start for nine consecutive years," said the 6-foot-8, Silverton, Ore., product, who now lives in the Bitterroot Valley. "I'd like to keep that streak going, but the longer I'm out of training camp the less likely that will happen."

That said, the 33-year-old Gragg still wants to go to the right situation. Parameters include playing time and the relative strength of the team. The 49ers went 2-14 last season.

"It's just a matter of getting the right opportunity," he said. "With the level of interest that is out there, I'm pretty well secure that I'll have a job with a team. In what capacity I'm not sure, where I'm not sure, but it's going to happen sooner or later.

"It could happen as soon as today and as late as two weeks into the regular season. It's just a matter of seeing what's out there."

A quick blurb from Gragg with a Dallas mention. Doesn't seem like money is the biggest motivator, but you can never tell with these guys.

 

[AbeBeta]

I see our difference in opinion here more clearly now. You see Gragg as a guy who is going to be lucky to get an NFL job for the year. If you see him like this then the idea that he should take what he can get makes sense.

I see him as a decent starter who is waiting several interested teams out. One of those teams is going to cave and give him a deal that nets him more than 700k for the year. I don't think we are being cheap. Instead we are a) not interested in him at his current asking price and b) not wanting to take snaps away from young guys.

The vet minimum for Gragg is 700k plus.
If signed this week he'd play a couple of snaps next week then get probably one half of preseason work in the tune up game 4. The team is no longer in Training Camp and not giving yourself some time to get in football shape for a guy with 10 years service would be silly.

A vet min deal and a 1 mil bonus week 8 would give Gragg a 1.7+ mil pay day for the season with a guarantee worst case of over 700k for 7 weeks. You say thats a bad deal but I think you are absolutely incorrect and that what ultimately happens will bear that out.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

How do we know that Gragg, at this point in his career, would be an upgrade? There's a reason he's a FA.

I'd rather at least wait to see how Petitti and Tucker do in the next two preseason games.

Because dude was all-pro a few years ago! I don't see anyone like that in Oxnard right now at RT. The only reason he is at home is the salary cap. Offer the guy fair market value of $1 million, with incevtives. We can't afford to spend what we have spent this season, then leave the RT position up in the air. Let Pettiti sit & learn from Gragg, Rivera, etc., and then see if he can win the job outright in a couple of years.
If JJ is serious about winning this year, we need to pony up the dough, & put a RT on the end who we are confident will hold his own!!

It's going to take Gragg at least 3-4 weeks to even start to build chemistry with the guys already on the O'line, and learn the more basic plays, so let's get him in here now.

Win Now!!!

 

[cowboys101]

***If I am the Cowboys I sign Gragg today period.
Give him a minimum deal and a 1 mil bonus for being on the roster week 8.

There's your non-guaranteed contract.

Going into the season with Petitti, Vollers and Tucker at RT makes little sense. When a 2nd round pick gets injured thats when you go out in free agency and supplement your club.
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I agree! Bring him in now so he can learn the offense

 

[DLCassidy]

If Gragg is any good how come he's looking for work? SF's line wasn't exactly top shelf last year.

 

[AbeBeta]

If Gragg is any good how come he's looking for work? SF's line wasn't exactly top shelf last year.

Because he's the steady guy you are always trying to replace with someone younger. He's out of work until someone realizes that their young players aren't going to cut it. He knows his value goes up as the season gets closer and teams start to freak out about their lines. I see him getting a deal for something like 1.5 mill a year. He's a vet and he is a slighly above average lineman. Above average isn't impressive but that means he is better than at least 50% of the tackles in the league. Also, he's clearly the most talented available RT on the market (Terry is injured and a wife beating scumbag). When you in that class you don't play for the minimum.