Scott Linehan & The Running Game

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Defense is going to read it's keys and react, regardless of whether or not we've run the ball effectively previously. The reason poor running teams are poor running teams is because they can be defensed effectively when their running plays are identified and stopped.

IIRC, there's not a significant correlation where better running teams have more effective play action, but I could be remembering that wrong.

You are very wrong on this issue. You should seek out a real football coach at this point, even if just a high school level and see if that will shed some light. Maybe volunteer at your local high school?

What you are trying so hard to argue/defend is basic football 101 stuff my friend. You need to understand how a defense calls its plays. Why do you think Dallas gets called out year after year as "predictable" by the opposing defense?
 

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I disagree with that. You're discounting the instinctual and emotional part of the game. Defenders aren't just a bunch of robots out there. If you don't think a team has effectively run the ball 70% of their snaps is more likely to get a defense to bite on a play action than a team who runs it effectively 20% of their snaps, then I don't know what to tell you.

Ok. Then you don't know what to tell me. I can live with that. Defenses try to stop the plays as they read them, as hard as they can, without regard to whether they're reading run or pass.

Now, let's say you have a running QB, making the run/run/pass decision more difficult for the defense...I imagine that has a significant benefit in terms of play action effectiveness. But that's because you have a combination of running and passing threats and because the passing threat can stay alive as the play develops, putting the defense in a more difficult position. But it's still a function of their keys and reads and not the case that they're filling faster against a run because they suspect it's coming.

That said, I'd be interested in seeing the data on the topic. I wouldn't be completely shocked to see it turn out to be the case that play action passing is more effective for good running teams (that does seem intuitively likely). If that were the case, though, it would suggest there's another area of correlation between an effective running game and an effective passing game, and it's been demonstrated repeatedly and convincingly here that that correlation doesn't actually exist.
 

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You are very wrong on this issue. You should seek out a real football coach at this point, even if just a high school level and see if that will shed some light. Maybe volunteer at your local high school?

What you are trying so hard to argue/defend is basic football 101 stuff my friend. You need to understand how a defense calls its plays. Why do you think Dallas gets called out year after year as "predictable" by the opposing defense?

No. You are wrong and should seek a real football coach or maybe volunteer at your local high school. Hah! That was a really good one, but I just turned it around on you there.

I don't think Dallas gets called out year after year as predictable by opposing defenses. I think that's a thing that happened twice, five or six years ago, and it gets brought up year after year by some Eeyore or other who doesn't want to take the time or fire enough neurons to actually measure offensive efficiency properly .
 
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