Scott Linehan's Impact

[khiladi]

No you did not answer it.
You went around it instead of the bare bones question I asked.

It proves what I thought you were about on this topic.

I will let you continue as you have proven to me you do not wish to be honest with me on the topic and have tunnel vision.

Carry on.

Like I said, I didn't answer them the way YOU wanted. I am under no obligation to be dictated by you in regards to a conversation about Linehan having to be here, because Garrett absolutely sucked at calling plays. This isn't a thread about Jason Garrett's talents to clap as a coach on the sideline better than some other coach. You can go start another thread about other qualities Jason Garrett brings to the table.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Jerry decided who was calling plays, because Jason Garrett was bad at it. Jerry gave Garrett plenty of rope the first few seasons, especially during the Wade era. Dan Reeves was suppose to come in and look at the running game and when that was squashed, Jerry didn't go find another 'consultant' to assist the offense, letting Garrett do his thing for multiple years.

You are becoming a broken record at this point. You already said this using slightly different words.

If you want to give Jones the lion’s share of credit for this year, you are welcome to do so. I’m not going to argue with you because I have better things to do, like watch paint dry

 

[Doomsday101]

That was one of the major problems as Jerry pointed out. Trying to fit Callahan in with this offense, since he was a WC guy and the offense wasn't, was not fair to Callahan. Jerry also refused to let Callahan go and I'm sure it's because of the running the game and OL work he did.

It's clear that their were tensions and disarray in how the offense was operating, though the Garrett-homers were telling us how the offense was a top 5 offense and there were no issues. Some kept telling us Romo was audibling out of the running plays called. The reality is, Jerry didn't want Garrett calling plays anymore. That experiment is over.

This has nothing to do with being a homer it is about giving credit to Garrett and others. No one has said this is all Garrett it is the fact you will not even acknowledge that Garrett get any credit at all. Linehan has done a great job who said he hasn't?

 

[khiladi]

Even the 4-3 change was Larry Lacewell. People acting like this was some type of Garrett process , resulting in this year, is living in a realm of delusion. They switched in 2013, because they were blaming the defense for the issues that ailed this team.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...owboys-horrible-defense-is-nobody-s-fault.ece

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Like I said, I didn't answer them the way YOU wanted. I am under no obligation to be dictated by you in regards to a conversation about Linehan having to be here, because Garrett absolutely sucked at calling plays. This isn't a thread about Jason Garrett's talents to clap as a coach on the sideline better than some other coach. You can go start another thread about other qualities Jason Garrett brings to the table.

You did not answer my question because you have tunnel vision, an agenda and you are more involved in trolling than anything else in these two threads. If I started another thread on the topic (which would be redundant since we have two active ones and a bunch more in the rant zone), you would wind your way into it and continue the same trolling you are doing now.

IF you had answered my question honestly it would have exposed your agenda, oddly enough you still exposed your agenda by not answering it.

Thanks for confirming what I already thought.

You may have the last word on the topic and troll others, no more trolling me.

 

[CATCH17]

we can finally line up on 3rd and 1 and expectto succeed running the ball. the OL we had last year could not do that. 1 new person isn't the reason. The other 4 playing better is.

Because our running plays aren't completely predictable and we might even use playaction from time to time.

 

[khiladi]

And in the beginning of January, there were already ideas that a new OC was going to be hired.

http://www.foxsports.com/southwest/...amiliar-face-for-advice-this-offseason-010614

This was January 6th, right after the season, way before rumors started to spread that Dallas would hire Linehan. Lacewell was talking about Norv Turner as a posssibility.

"I think it would be a great hire," Lacewell said. "Norv would be the person to quieten the ship and get things moving in the right direction. You have too many spoons in the pie right now."

As Lacewell mentioend, there were too many people with their hands on the offense as well. And this was one of the things Jerry explicitly mentioned with Garrett, that he kept getting involved in the offense when he wasn't suppose to. And that he would not be spending more time on the defense, where they want his input, not offense.

 

[khiladi]

You did not answer my question because you have tunnel vision, an agenda and you are more involved in trolling than anything else in these two threads. If I started another thread on the topic (which would be redundant since we have two active ones and a bunch more in the rant zone), you would wind your way into it and continue the same trolling you are doing now.

IF you had answered my question honestly it would have exposed your agenda, oddly enough you still exposed your agenda by not answering it.

Thanks for confirming what I already thought.

You may have the last word on the topic and troll others, no more trolling me.

Tunnel vision.. you mean, I'm staying on topic?

 

[xwalker]

Callahan's run game and his fashioning of the OL. During that run, the sweep play became our bread and butter with Murray. We no longer rely on that run delay that we used as a staple with Barber and Felix when Garrett was the main play-caller. Jerry mentioned when they hired Linehan, that not only would they target Dez, Linehan would give emphasis to the run. And Linehan said in a previous article that essentially, after seeing what Callahan has done, he's made it easy for him.

Jerry refused to let Callahan interview for an OC position this off-season for two teams. He knows why... He was the influential decision in drafting Frederik. And Callahan, per Stephen Jones wanted out.

Yes, they are in year 3 of Callahan's zone blocking scheme. Also, people overlook that this is just the 2nd year starting for Fred and Leary. Those 2 are better this year and know the scheme better.

 

[khiladi]

BTW, I've already said two things:

1. I said before the season, I see absolutely no reason why Dallas won't make the play-offs, even with Jason Garrett as HC. The main reason I said it was because of the OC change and Jerry insisting on these changes where Jason would be relegated to a role where he would have even less influence on the offense. The reality is we were 8-8 and in play-off contention in a weak NFC East, so none of this should have come as a surprise.

I was not even as worried about the defense, because as I said, despite yardage given up, this defense created TOs despite the fact Kiffin was coaching it. Dallas would probably capitalize more on the TOs than last year. And with Marinelli, I knew they would be a little better.

2. I said that there is no way Jerry doesn't extend JG, as much as I hate him, if the team goes into the play-offs and wins a game minimum. I would not want that, because the dynamics appear to be working with Jerry realizing that support is required where needed. That is all one can really ask in measuring a HC and the dynamics of a team. My issue though is, knowing BCs influence on the running game and his desire to leave, especially after last year, how Dallas will address is. If Pollack is good enough, than fine. If these coaches like the set-up than I'm all for it.

But I'm not going to act like this team didn't waste years trying to define it's self and in the process have Romo scramble for his life, because we couldn't adjust to a blitz up the middle against the Commanders to get into the play-offs two years ago. I'm not going to act like Romo's health hasn't been in jeopardy because of the chaotic offense we have been running for the past 8 years.

 

[khiladi]

Yes, they are in year 3 of Callahan's zone blocking scheme. Also, people overlook that this is just the 2nd year starting for Fred and Leary. Those 2 are better this year and know the scheme better.

Just as an aside, because you mention Pollack alot:

http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.co...acks-more-direct-role-last-year-paid-off.html

“I don’t know how much credit he’s gotten, but I certainly think that he deserves a lot of credit for what he’s done,” Frederick said this week during OTAs. “Obvoiusly with Coach Callahan being in the offensive coordinator role and stuff last year, coach Pollack spent a lot more time with us in a more direct role. So I think that he was very responsible for a lot of things that happened last year. Coach Callahan was certainly still very involved. It’s extremely nice this year to have them both around all the time.”

 

[xwalker]

Just as an aside, because you mention Pollack alot:

http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.co...acks-more-direct-role-last-year-paid-off.html

Thanks for the link.

 

[Bullflop]

Just as an aside, because you mention Pollack alot:

http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.co...acks-more-direct-role-last-year-paid-off.html

Like what Frederick had to say about both Pollack and Callahan. He certainly thinks highly of both, even going so far as to say he considers Callahan a genius. Not sure if he is or not but I'm hoping he doesn't fly the coop next year. This OL has responded terrifically to the coaches we've got now. I'd hate to see any of them leave.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Again, the last 8 games of last year, they were the number one team in yards per carry from the line of scrimmage. Yes, they are better this year than last year with Martin, but they were still good last year. Callahan has been here since 2012 developing this line.

It's simply not true if one doesn't think play-calling, including the running plays that Linehan has now blended with Callahan and Pollack efforts looks much better and play-action is now being used and effective.

yes, but the last 8 games were against team that ranked 12, 27, 4, 7, 32, 27 12, 4 on rush defense and not surprisingly we had great averages and yards against those ranked 27 and below which skewed the numbers.

the point being that it was highly inconsistent and when we needed to rush against those better teams we didn't because we couldn't.

has linehan had impact? yes. is all of this because of linehan? probably not. if so, then we hit gold mine and the rest of the NFL are nothing but a bunch of idiots and Jerry is really really smart GM....

and more than any other units, the OL is successful or failure as a unit, because all it takes is one leaky spot and teams will exploit regardless of how you try to cover it up. there is absolutely no doubt how this OL has come together. take out martin, but another cold body in there right next to free just like last year and you will see a whole new result.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Linehan is calling more runs, that is great but it is not a new offense it is the same offense Linehan and Garrett ran under Saban in Miami. I think Linehan has done a great job, this is the same guy many here claimed would not run the ball all he would do is pass it, you guys were wrong. Linehan has been great and is someone Garrett knows and trust.

I'll be the first to admit I was one of those guys. I was very leery of that. I was completely wrong about him.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Like I said, I didn't answer them the way YOU wanted. I am under no obligation to be dictated by you in regards to a conversation about Linehan having to be here, because Garrett absolutely sucked at calling plays. This isn't a thread about Jason Garrett's talents to clap as a coach on the sideline better than some other coach. You can go start another thread about other qualities Jason Garrett brings to the table.

And like he said, answering the question directly would cut right to the heart of things.

No worries though because the cowardly dodge and then fronting afterwards speaks just as clearly. Go ahead with your zero sum nonsense.

Quick question though: how many years do you think Garrett's extension will be? I am thinking 5.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'll also say this. And this should be the stance for pretty much everyone to be quite honest.

If the Cowboys continue to improve and they eventually win a Superbowl in the next 2 or 3 years I really don't give an ounce of crap rather Khiladi, or anyone else for that matter, wants to give Garrett any credit or not.

This team is improving and I believe it's going to continue to improve and with that fact there is enough credit to go around to all those involved even if it's people within the team structure that some fans simply don't like or whatever.

Why does everyone care so freaking much who gets the credit for things like this? It's one of the most stupid, and pointless, arguments in the world.

Teams win. Period.

Teams includes your players, your coaches, your front office, everyone. They all have a hand, in some way, rather people like it or not. Rather you like your HC or your OC or you GM or whatever.

When teams win they do it together and it really doesn't matter, at all, if some dude on a forum somewhere doesn't want to give certain people credit or not.

 

[ConstantReboot]

BTW, I've already said two things:

1. I said before the season, I see absolutely no reason why Dallas won't make the play-offs, even with Jason Garrett as HC. The main reason I said it was because of the OC change and Jerry insisting on these changes where Jason would be relegated to a role where he would have even less influence on the offense. The reality is we were 8-8 and in play-off contention in a weak NFC East, so none of this should have come as a surprise.

I was not even as worried about the defense, because as I said, despite yardage given up, this defense created TOs despite the fact Kiffin was coaching it. Dallas would probably capitalize more on the TOs than last year. And with Marinelli, I knew they would be a little better.

2. I said that there is no way Jerry doesn't extend JG, as much as I hate him, if the team goes into the play-offs and wins a game minimum. I would not want that, because the dynamics appear to be working with Jerry realizing that support is required where needed. That is all one can really ask in measuring a HC and the dynamics of a team. My issue though is, knowing BCs influence on the running game and his desire to leave, especially after last year, how Dallas will address is. If Pollack is good enough, than fine. If these coaches like the set-up than I'm all for it.

But I'm not going to act like this team didn't waste years trying to define it's self and in the process have Romo scramble for his life, because we couldn't adjust to a blitz up the middle against the Commanders to get into the play-offs two years ago. I'm not going to act like Romo's health hasn't been in jeopardy because of the chaotic offense we have been running for the past 8 years.

Totally agree with you. Garrett was awful as a playcaller for many years and Romo had to pay the price. Now it seems a lot of the people here want to give him credit for some kind of 3 year plan that includes running the ball. That was never his plan. Im sure Garrett and Jerry did have a plan but that was to protect Romo.

I feel the team is alot better now relegating Garrett to a walk around coach who does the official butt slapping and spitting on the sidelines. Call it addition by subtraction. I like Garrett's new role as well and I think he does as well and people should see that as a positive, not negative. He can focus on what he does best like team building, motivation, and strategizing, etc. which are all important to being a head coach.

 

[khiladi]

yes, but the last 8 games were against team that ranked 12, 27, 4, 7, 32, 27 12, 4 on rush defense and not surprisingly we had great averages and yards against those ranked 27 and below which skewed the numbers.

the point being that it was highly inconsistent and when we needed to rush against those better teams we didn't because we couldn't.

has linehan had impact? yes. is all of this because of linehan? probably not. if so, then we hit gold mine and the rest of the NFL are nothing but a bunch of idiots and Jerry is really really smart GM....

and more than any other units, the OL is successful or failure as a unit, because all it takes is one leaky spot and teams will exploit regardless of how you try to cover it up. there is absolutely no doubt how this OL has come together. take out martin, but another cold body in there right next to free just like last year and you will see a whole new result.

We never ran against bad teams even prior... And those averages you point out are, probably the same averages, across the whole season. So even if we look at the first eight games against the teams played, it would be around the same ranking for teams. We play NFC East teams twice a year.

 

[khiladi]

And like he said, answering the question directly would cut right to the heart of things.

No worries though because the cowardly dodge and then fronting afterwards speaks just as clearly. Go ahead with your zero sum nonsense.

Quick question though: how many years do you think Garrett's extension will be? I am thinking 5.

Why should I answer a question that has nothing to do with the topic? To put it simply, this is essentially avoiding my topic, with another topic and saying I am avoiding the topic. If that one of the 'ideals' you strive for?