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Sacks can be manufactured or the product of coverage. If you watched the game and figure Dallas' D did better because it had more sacks, that is just shortsighted and just completely wrong.
What was different was our recievers dropped TDs and theirs didn't. I don't blame the defense at all.

People complain we don't get sacks or turnovers. We get them now it's something else to complain about
 

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Garrett's personnel has been lot better and look at the results. To go 8-8 three straight seasons with Tony Romo only missing one game and having a Jason Witten, Dez Bryant and a solid OL is inexcusable. He also inherited one of the best pass rushers in the game and the defense has been mediocre at best. He lobbied for Kiffin and the defense went from bad to worse. As for Vince Young HE ruined his career and was never a good QB anyway. All he could do was run, he never passed for more than 2546 yards and 12 TD's. I didn't enter this discussion to argue about Jeff Fisher so time to move on.


Well with as bad as the defense has been you can argue that Garretts teams were probably 8-8 teams. They surely didn't underachieve.

You asked a question is there worse coach or something along those lines and Fisher is the worst coach in the league is all I was saying.
 

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Young's failure after his first couple of seasons suggests that no, he was just the harbinger of Robert Griffin.

With proper development and coaching we will never no how good he could be. But unfortunately instead of going to a reputable team and coordinator he got stuck with...... Jeff Fisher. One of the worst coaches in football.
 

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Well with as bad as the defense has been you can argue that Garretts teams were probably 8-8 teams. They surely didn't underachieve.

You asked a question is there worse coach or something along those lines and Fisher is the worst coach in the league is all I was saying.

No argument can be made that those were 8-8 teams with the QB and offensive talent we had. We also had the top pass rusher in the league on defense and we still underachieved. No way should a team with Tony Romo, Jason, Witten, Dez Bryant, Tyron Smith and Demarcus Ware go 8-8 three straight seasons. A number of the losses we had those seasons were due to huge coaching mistakes by Garrett including icing his own kicker. We could have gone 12-4 in 2011 if it wasn't for the 4 games we blew to the Jets, Lions, Pats and Cards. Garrett has had a lot to do with the defense. He was a big influence with the signing of Ryan, Kiffin and Marinelli and it hasn't worked out with any of them.

We've used at least two #1 picks on defense including a top 10 pick under Garrett and none of the players have turned out. The jury is still out on Jones but so far he's looked like a JAG. We spent three #2's on defense and Lee is the only one who could play. We released Ware under Garrett who was still a great player only to watch him go to Denver and help them win a SB. Now our pass rush is our weakest area. It's been a follie of errors by this team under Garrett who's been the least qualified head coach in franchise history.

He wasn't successful at any level of coaching when he was HANDED the job. Take Romo away from him and he's 1-14 as the full time head coach. Even with Romo he can't win consistently. Give Garrett the teams and QB situations Fisher and even Dave Campo had and he wouldn't sniff 5 wins. As for the question I asked I wanted to see if anyone could name a coach who's had a worse record than Garrett over the past "5 years" with the same. You came up with Fisher but he's only been coaching the Rams 4 full seasons and he's had a pretty good excuse for his record, the lack of a solid QB.
 

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No argument can be made that those were 8-8 teams with the QB and offensive talent we had. We also had the top pass rusher in the league on defense and we still underachieved. No way should a team with Tony Romo, Jason, Witten, Dez Bryant, Tyron Smith and Demarcus Ware go 8-8 three straight seasons. A number of the losses we had those seasons were due to huge coaching mistakes by Garrett including icing his own kicker. We could have gone 12-4 in 2011 if it wasn't for the 4 games we blew to the Jets, Lions, Pats and Cards. Garrett has had a lot to do with the defense. He was a big influence with the signing of Ryan, Kiffin and Marinelli and it hasn't worked out with any of them.

We've used at least two #1 picks on defense including a top 10 pick under Garrett and none of the players have turned out. The jury is still out on Jones but so far he's looked like a JAG. We spent three #2's on defense and Lee is the only one who could play. We released Ware under Garrett who was still a great player only to watch him go to Denver and help them win a SB. Now our pass rush is our weakest area. It's been a follie of errors by this team under Garrett who's been the least qualified head coach in franchise history.

He wasn't successful at any level of coaching when he was HANDED the job. Take Romo away from him and he's 1-14 as the full time head coach. Even with Romo he can't win consistently. Give Garrett the teams and QB situations Fisher and even Dave Campo had and he wouldn't sniff 5 wins. As for the question I asked I wanted to see if anyone could name a coach who's had a worse record than Garrett over the past "5 years" with the same. You came up with Fisher but he's only been coaching the Rams 4 full seasons and he's had a pretty good excuse for his record, the lack of a solid QB.


What good is your team if all you have is offense and no defense though? You can bringing up 5 playmakers we had......I can go down and name plenty of teams with just as many that were as good or worse than us. Chargers were throwing out Phillip Rivers, Antonio Gates, Ryan Matthews, Mike Tolbert, Vincent Jackson and Eric Weddle and have nothing to show for it.

A lot of those losses came from the personnel on this team. Whether its Romo throwing a timely pick, Ware being MIA against backup left tackles or in the 4th quarter of games or Witten with a costly false start penalty or holding or Dez with a drop.

Garrett has no say in the defense. Let's don't kid ourselves. Even if we want to pretend like he had say on DC's he didn't hire some bums. He hired reputable coaches who underachieve just like most of the people that come through Dallas. Rob Ryan being a Garrett hire is laughable. I'll concede Kiffin and Maranelli.

Ware hasn't been a great player in 6 years. He's looked solid playing alongside Von Miller but he wasn't nearly that player in his last couple of years in Dallas and surely wasn't worth the salary he was being paid.

I don't know what Garrett would do with Fisher's teams but I do know the personnel would more than likely be far better than it is now. Bringing up Campo is a joke.
 

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What good is your team if all you have is offense and no defense though? You can bringing up 5 playmakers we had......I can go down and name plenty of teams with just as many that were as good or worse than us. Chargers were throwing out Phillip Rivers, Antonio Gates, Ryan Matthews, Mike Tolbert, Vincent Jackson and Eric Weddle and have nothing to show for it.

A lot of those losses came from the personnel on this team. Whether its Romo throwing a timely pick, Ware being MIA against backup left tackles or in the 4th quarter of games or Witten with a costly false start penalty or holding or Dez with a drop.

Garrett has no say in the defense. Let's don't kid ourselves. Even if we want to pretend like he had say on DC's he didn't hire some bums. He hired reputable coaches who underachieve just like most of the people that come through Dallas. Rob Ryan being a Garrett hire is laughable. I'll concede Kiffin and Maranelli.

Ware hasn't been a great player in 6 years. He's looked solid playing alongside Von Miller but he wasn't nearly that player in his last couple of years in Dallas and surely wasn't worth the salary he was being paid.

I don't know what Garrett would do with Fisher's teams but I do know the personnel would more than likely be far better than it is now. Bringing up Campo is a joke.

I thought YOU said you CAN win with jags (you even threw in a completely fabricated "90%" metric to support yourself), now you are arguing that there was not enough talent on D to defend Garrett??? That was MY point earlier in this thread while you took the counter argument. Smh
 

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What good is your team if all you have is offense and no defense though? You can bringing up 5 playmakers we had......I can go down and name plenty of teams with just as many that were as good or worse than us. Chargers were throwing out Phillip Rivers, Antonio Gates, Ryan Matthews, Mike Tolbert, Vincent Jackson and Eric Weddle and have nothing to show for it.

A lot of those losses came from the personnel on this team. Whether its Romo throwing a timely pick, Ware being MIA against backup left tackles or in the 4th quarter of games or Witten with a costly false start penalty or holding or Dez with a drop.

Garrett has no say in the defense. Let's don't kid ourselves. Even if we want to pretend like he had say on DC's he didn't hire some bums. He hired reputable coaches who underachieve just like most of the people that come through Dallas. Rob Ryan being a Garrett hire is laughable. I'll concede Kiffin and Maranelli.

Ware hasn't been a great player in 6 years. He's looked solid playing alongside Von Miller but he wasn't nearly that player in his last couple of years in Dallas and surely wasn't worth the salary he was being paid.

I don't know what Garrett would do with Fisher's teams but I do know the personnel would more than likely be far better than it is now. Bringing up Campo is a joke.

Garrett shoulders a big part of the blame for the defense this is his 6th full season and the defense looks no better than it has. He influenced the signings of the DCs we've had and he shoulders part of the blame for the defensive picks that haven't worked out because he signed off on them. Rob Ryan's signing was influenced by Garrett and if he didn't want him as the DC then it shows just how big a yes man he is and that not even Jerry takes him seriously as a head coach. As for the Chargers, Phillip Rivers and the rest of those San Diego players they've reached a title game and won more playoff games than we have under Garrett. A number of our losses under Garrett were due to coaching mistakes by him and the players he coaches. It's been penalties and poor coaching that have cost this team dearly under Garrett. It's laughable that you're crapping on Fisher who has an 11-5 playoff record and SB appearance and making excuses for Garrett who has no business being an NFL head coach.

As for Campo even with the horrid teams he had that weren't half as talented as Garrett's teams he never had a worse season than Garrett had last season. Our QB situation under Campo was CRAP go look at the list of QBs he was forced to use in his 3 seasons as head coach. Garrett wouldn't have won 2-3 games with those QBs and the pitiful OL's we had that couldn't protect them. Good luck trying to win games with Troy Hambrick at RB. At least Campo was a successful coordinator who won a SB ring with us. All we've been doing is spinning our wheels with Garrett watching him clap and coddle players. We saw the 4th pick in the entire draft gain 2.6 yards a carry behind what many consider the best OL in the league. No team underachieves like the Cowboys. Teams lost their QB for parts of the season last year and still made the playoffs.

Pittsburgh lost Roethislberger for several games and Bell for the season and still made the playoffs. Denver lost Manning for 7 games and still won the SB. A QB we let go who was 0-3 with us went to Houston and got an important win for them that helped them make the playoffs when their starter went down. I don't think there's a more inept head coach in the league than Jason Garrett. He losses 2 players for part of the season and his team tanks! You find out what kind of head coach you have when you face adversity. Romo is injured and we pick up right where we left off last season, losing! Garrett and his staff of misfits can't even figure out a way to get the ball in Dez Bryant's hands. I've been following the Cowboys since the 71 season and have never seen a more poorly coached Cowboy teams than I've seen under Garrett. It's been embarrassing!
 

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I thought YOU said you CAN win with jags (you even threw in a completely fabricated "90%" metric to support yourself), now you are arguing that there was not enough talent on D to defend Garrett??? That was MY point earlier in this thread while you took the counter argument. Smh
I argued a different point with you. I said the league is 90% jags and 10% superstars.
 

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You're going to deny that Weeden didn't get an important win for the Texans last season? He came in and got a save vs Indy in week 15, with the Texans down 10-0 when he entered the game. The following week he started vs Tenn and got a win in a 34-6 blowout of the Titans. Weeden tossed 2 TD's, had no INT's and had a passer rating of 116.7 Go roll your eyes to that! :laugh:
 

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I got to say. Our defense would be tremendously better with those guys.
People got so hung up on what the Giants spent in the off season for those defensive guys.

Let's look at Damon Harrison vs Tyron Crawford
Harrison : 5 years 46 million w 24 guaranteed
T Crawford : 5 years 45 million w 24.6 guaranteed
Dallas was too quick to Crawford big money !!!!!
 

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With proper development and coaching we will never no how good he could be. But unfortunately instead of going to a reputable team and coordinator he got stuck with...... Jeff Fisher. One of the worst coaches in football.
We'll never no, no, no...
 
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