Seattle Seahawks 2.0

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We like to run the ball like Seattle did.. but that's where it ends.

The 2013 Seahawks vaunted one of the best defenses of all time. They made the most potent offense in recent history look like a joke. I like what we're striving for but they are nothing like the Seahawks.
 

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I think people are over thinking this. When we played Seattle they were the hot team, playoff ready and the top notch at that time. We beat them and they went from good to looking decent after that. GB is not showing that team right now. They might after the game, but right now, the two are on different planes. We went to seattle with everyone thinking we were facing a playoff team, GB is only looking like a play off team if everyone else sucks. Not the same comparison in my mind.
I am not sure I follow the meaning of your post with relation to the original point of the thread? Are u thinking this was about the GB game?
 

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So our QB of this year compares to that of 2014, does he? Seriously, the whole reason for the Seattle comparison is the change at QB...Dak is certainly much more comparable to Russell than Tony, is he not?
Well heres one perspective. The 2014 team relied heavy on Demarco, and he led the league in rushing yards that year. So far, these cowboys are also relying on the running game with zeke currently leading the nfl.

Both the 2014 and current cowboys have suspect defenses and rely on the offense TOP to keep them off the field. Both defenses also had issues at DE.

Lots of similarities. Obviously Dak is different than Romo in his style of play but romo and dak both use Witten and Beasley as safety nets. The goto guys on 3rd down.

Personally i see alot more similarities between the 2014 team and this cowboys team than i do with the seahawks. When i think of the seahwaks, i think high powered defense and an offense that relys on the escapability and impromtu plays of wilson and the running of lynch.
 

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Well heres one perspective. The 2014 team relied heavy on Demarco, and he led the league in rushing yards that year. So far, these cowboys are also relying on the running game with zeke currently leading the nfl.

Both the 2014 and current cowboys have suspect defenses and rely on the offense TOP to keep them off the field. Both defenses also had issues at DE.

Lots of similarities. Obviously Dak is different than Romo in his style of play but romo and dak both use Witten and Beasley as safety nets. The goto guys on 3rd down.
Of course there are similarities. This was the design.
 

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We like to run the ball like Seattle did.. but that's where it ends.

The 2013 Seahawks vaunted one of the best defenses of all time. They made the most potent offense in recent history look like a joke. I like what we're striving for but they are nothing like the Seahawks.
Wow. Can't say I agree that our only similarity (both in terms of what we are currently and where we appear to be heading - which is the point of the original post) is solely rooted in "we both like to run the football" and that's it. That's a pretty thin assessment in my humble opinion. Since Rod took over the defense he has said his model is Seattle's "hybrid" version of Tampa 2. We appear to be as close as we've ever been since he took over to having the ability to play that style based on personnel and heir performance at this early juncture of the season.

And with Dak at QB, we do a ton a stuff similar to how Russell runs that offense up there...particularly how both attacks rely on the QB's mobility to put pressure on defenses...such as the threat of the run option which is ever present in our running game - even when Zeke carries the rock. Just like to run the football?? It goes way beyond that my friend.
 

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Wow. Can't say I agree that our only similarity (both in terms of what we are currently and where we appear to be heading - which is the point of the original post) is solely rooted in "we both like to run the football" and that's it. That's a pretty thin assessment in my humble opinion. Since Rod took over the defense he has said his model is Seattle's "hybrid" version of Tampa 2. We appear to be as close as we've ever been since he took over to having the ability to play that style based on personnel and heir performance at this early juncture of the season.

If you think we are close, you really are not acknowledging the strength of that defense. It is not just the secondary. The pass rush and especially the linebackers are the drivers, not Richard Sherman running around.

Bennett, Avril, Bobby Wagner, K.J. Wright. All crucial pieces.

All you have to look at is how other teams took players from that secondary and tried to make them work for them to see that reality.

Meanwhile, Seattle locked up those that matter to them.
 

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Our team is built on the 90's model and was designed with Romo as the QB. Dak has been a beneficiary to the offense we built. He is not a running QB like Wilson although he can. In 2014 Wilson had 849 yards rushing. Dak is a pocket passer and will never approach that.

Seattle liked to run the ball because they knew they didn't have to score many points and it kept Wilson from being forced to throw the ball. We run the ball because it's what we do best and we have Zeke, plus it protects the defense. Power running game, but it's not modeled after Seattle. It's the early 90's Cowboy model.

The defenses are not even worth trying to compare.
 

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I think Dak has the opportunity to become a Hall of Fame type quarterback. He's a strong arm quarterback in the pocket and he can get out of the pocket and run if have to. In the future, he's going to become a major headache for teams.
 

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Well heres one perspective. The 2014 team relied heavy on Demarco, and he led the league in rushing yards that year. So far, these cowboys are also relying on the running game with zeke currently leading the nfl.

Both the 2014 and current cowboys have suspect defenses and rely on the offense TOP to keep them off the field. Both defenses also had issues at DE.

Lots of similarities. Obviously Dak is different than Romo in his style of play but romo and dak both use Witten and Beasley as safety nets. The goto guys on 3rd down.

Personally i see alot more similarities between the 2014 team and this cowboys team than i do with the seahawks. When i think of the seahwaks, i think high powered defense and an offense that relys on the escapability and impromtu plays of wilson and the running of lynch.
Good points. Again. The crux of my earlier comparison is based on the key differences between how Dak runs the offense vs how Tony runs it. Dak compares more closely to Wilson than he does to Tony - particularly with the threat of the run option which Tony never does...with Dak that threat is ever present just as it has been with Wilson. Beast mode benefitted from that threat in the same way that Zeke has (particularly evident in the Bengals game). And I make the comparison on defense with the addition of our version of Early Thomas (Jones) as well as the dramatically improved overall play in the secondary. Add to that a Dline configuration that more closely resembles what Seattle has been doing the past few years and you have a unit that has a bunch more potential than that 2014 squad but perhaps lacking in turnover production relatively speaking. And again, it is now even more in line with Rod's stated objectives of mirroring Seattle. We fix the LB core (esp. MLB) and we'll be there in my view.
 

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If you think we are close, you really are not acknowledging the strength of that defense. It is not just the secondary. The pass rush and especially the linebackers are the drivers, not Richard Sherman running around.

Bennett, Avril, Bobby Wagner, K.J. Wright. All crucial pieces.

All you have to look at is how other teams took players from that secondary and tried to make them work for them to see that reality.

Meanwhile, Seattle locked up those that matter to them.
Good points...which I also acknowledged in my original post...in fact I stated that Jaylon (hopefully) would be our version of Wagner eventually, assuming he returns to full strength...add to some key additions through the draft, etc., etc. All points I set forth in the original post. It is also clear from my OP that I don't believe we're there AT THIS MOMENT...I have been referring to BEING ON A TRAJECTORY...which translates to we're headed in that direction but certainly not arrived at the destination...and with some addition of "crucial pieces" to use your good way putting it, I see us getting there in a year or two tops.
 
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Our team is built on the 90's model and was designed with Romo as the QB. Dak has been a beneficiary to the offense we built. He is not a running QB like Wilson although he can. In 2014 Wilson had 849 yards rushing. Dak is a pocket passer and will never approach that.

Seattle liked to run the ball because they knew they didn't have to score many points and it kept Wilson from being forced to throw the ball. We run the ball because it's what we do best and we have Zeke, plus it protects the defense. Power running game, but it's not modeled after Seattle. It's the early 90's Cowboy model.

The defenses are not even worth trying to compare.
So the 90's cowboys ran single back with power sweeps and the read option as a staple to the running scheme??? hmmmm...and here all this time I was thinking we ran a steady diet of lead draws with a HOF-level lead FB...I must be mis-remembering all that 90's Cowboys football I watched...:thumbup:

And Rod himself said when he took over the defense that his approach was akin to Seattle (well documented)...so you don't believe him at his word that he is building towards that???
 

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Been contemplating this notion over the past few weeks of watching our team with Dak at the helm. Also, since I live on the west coast (in 49er country), I get a lot of Seahawks coverage as a rival of the local team, which has prompted this contemplation somewhat. I am now of the POV that this team appears to be looking more and more like a young Seahawks team this year than ever and want other's to weigh in with some perspective. And please don't construe this as a Dak over Tony discussion cuz it's most certainly not...that's not my agenda.

Yeah yeah yeah, I know our defense isn't completely comparable to theirs during their recent ascension (starting in Russell's rookie year) and our Oline is much much stronger than anything they've put on the field (especially once they gutted their Oline talent a couple of years ago)...nevertheless, there are some uncanny resemblances in our approach/philosophy. And I know this is a "copy cat league" but this appears to be even more profound than that. Indeed, for years we tried to "copy" the Patriots in our failed attempts to become a predominantly two-TE offense (sorry to bring up a sore subject!?! lol) but our repeated attempts have been ineffective (sarcasm). We appear to be this season on a trajectory to a remake ourselves into a Seahawks' brand of football.

Obviously, on the offensive side of the ball, Dak and Zeke offer strong comparisons to Russell and Lynch. Dak shows the movement and sound decision making of Wilson thus far as well as the ability to influence the game with his feet (both in terms of the run and pass). On that latter point, it was eye-opening for me re-watching the scoring plays in the Bengals game; you literally see that every single TD we scored was predicated on Dak's feet/movement. Whether he was manipulating the Dline on the read option or his rollout passing (or the threat thereof)...like Wilson, his mobility is playing a huge role in keeping defenses off balance. While I don't believe he will ever rush for as many yards as Wilson, Dak appears to be cut from a similar cloth. I also like how he makes "no-name" WRs look good in a similar way to Wilson (i.e., don't need a Dez in the mix to move the ball consistently). Similarly, while Zeke is certainly much more explosive/fast, there's no question that he "sets a tone" a la "Beast Mode" that seems to intimidate/demoralize defenses (I was at the Niners game and saw a lot of evidence of this on the Niners' sideline discussions in the second half, which weren't highlighted as much as during the Bengals game).

Defensively, I am sure that many of us recall Rod talking about HIS version of the "Tampa 2" was more akin to the Seattle defensive philosophy. Ironically, it took this year (and some necessity being the mother of invention issues) to see that coming more to fruition. We now have a "big" starting DE in Crawford, much more in the mold of a Michael Bennett in the Seahawk's 4-3. And with the improvements in our secondary so far this season, I think comparisons of our personnel to theirs is more and more legit. Mo is looking like a Sherman type with his early stellar play (no jinx - just now needs to get the picks), Jones is certainly proving as "rangie" as Earl Thomas at FS, which is allowing Church to be his old physical presence again. While he's certainly not at a Chancellor level, I have been impressed with Church's ability to lower the boom with more regularity (more like his pre-injury self). Sure, I will say Carr is comparable to a Brett Maxie/Joey Browner or perhaps even better. And if Jaylon comes back next season to play at a high level, don't we in fact have our Bobby Wagner to command the middle? One or two more picks next year to come in to bolster the defense, and I think we are in the conversation of becoming dominant on that side of the ball...again, playing a "Legion of Boom" brand of football.

Would love to read some other opinions/thoughts...what say you?

Great post and great points brought up. I've thought a few similar things regarding us and Seatyle, but good point on Crawford ala Bennett, and Jaylon ala Wagner.

But I've said from day one Dak is our Russ, and like that you brought up the Tampa 2. That's not Marinelli's D, he loves Cov1 and 3 just lile Sea. Also, we have been MUCH more physical in the secondary this year like Sea too.
 

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Seems like everyone else in this thread didn't agree and tried to point out the small differences rather than the underlying similarities.
 

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Great post and great points brought up. I've thought a few similar things regarding us and Seatyle, but good point on Crawford ala Bennett, and Jaylon ala Wagner.

But I've said from day one Dak is our Russ, and like that you brought up the Tampa 2. That's not Marinelli's D, he loves Cov1 and 3 just lile Sea. Also, we have been MUCH more physical in the secondary this year like Sea too.
Agreed...great points. I've actually called Rod's a "hybrid" Tampa 2 as that's the way I've seen it described in other write ups. But agreed. His stated goal is to create a defense in he mold of Seattle. I think we have made personnel moves this year helping us get over that hump. Hopefully next year's talent acquisition will get us there fully.
 
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