Seattle Seahawks 2.0

[robbieruff]

Seattle knocked it out of the park in '10 11 and 12. They drafted numerous elite players, largely in the late rounds. Not good players, but bona fide game changers.

Even the trade for Lynch was a 4th rounder I believe.

To this point, we have basically built our roster one stud per year, and hope Romo works his magic. That wasn't the master plan I realize, but it's what the results have been none the less.

The greatest parallel I see is the sudden potential influx of top shelf talent in this year's draft. It's at least partially dependent on luck, but so was Seattle's sudden rise.

great points

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Only similarity is a young QB. Biggest difference is Seattle saved a lot of money by having a QB on his rookie contract and could use that money elsewhere. We're still paying guys like Romo, Witten and Carr. Other than that, we're quite different offensively. Our O-line is better than theirs in every way. Our RB is much different than theirs. We have a play making WR that Seattle didn't. And our defenses are far different in almost every way.

 

[robbieruff]

Flame me if you want but Dak will be much better than Wilson. They aren't comparable. DAk is a true pocket passer, if you keep Wilson in the pocket he sucks.

I actually don't believe the post is flame worthy...I think Dak's 3-4 inch height advantage allows him the luxury to stand in the pocket while it's clear that Seattle moves Wilson around more often to give him a better view to make his throws. What amazes me about Wilson (and I see it in Dak) is his great feet...not just to improvise but in situations where he forces you to account for it...this is a quality I love in Dak also. But agree that Dak is a bit more physically gifted and could one day surpass Wilson on an individual level. Shoot, Cam did that last year but it didn't get him a ring (unfortunately for him)...

 

[Nightman]

Seattle knocked it out of the park in '10 11 and 12. They drafted numerous elite players, largely in the late rounds. Not good players, but bona fide game changers.

Even the trade for Lynch was a 4th rounder I believe.

To this point, we have basically built our roster one stud per year, and hope Romo works his magic. That wasn't the master plan I realize, but it's what the results have been none the less.

The greatest parallel I see is the sudden potential influx of top shelf talent in this year's draft. It's at least partially dependent on luck, but so was Seattle's sudden rise.

This is just like Jimmy Johnson taking over in DAL......Carroll and his coaches knew all the top college players because everyone one his staff recruited them all......once JJ left DAL he didn't have the same insights he had in DAL.......same with Carroll after being in the NFL for a few years

SEA hit huge HRs with RWilson, RShermann and the trade for MLynch.....add Thomas, Kam, Wagner and Irving and that is a recipe for success

 

[haleyrules]

I dont see the Dak/ Wilson comparison. Wilson likes to roll out and draw defenders to him, then throw short over those defenders. Dak is more step up in the pocket, and create with his feet when he has too. I also dont think Zeke and Beast Mode are that similar. I think Zeke is more explosive and a much better receiver and all around back, Beast Mode more down hill runner.

Seattle won its SB on the strength of it's Defense. There isn't much, at this point, to compare in that regard. Prescott is a completely different QB than little short Wilson. Prescott is a pocket passer. These are fundamentally two completely different clubs. The Cowboys have a great OL and offense and Seattle had a Great Defense. Wilson does beat Manning without the defense.

 

[mattjames2010]

Wilson has a way of turning his game up in the most important months of football. In my opinion, he's just being Rodgers as being a perfect QB for today's NFL.

I am unsure if Dak will ever be what Wilson is. I still question is his arm strength and being able to make those tight throws. He made a few in the Bengals game, but to consistently do it, I don't know.

 

[erod]

Yeah...i agree that this version of our D isn't comparable (literally said that in the OP)...I also mentioned that our Oline is much stronger...I am talking about the TRAJECTORY of where the D is potentially headed based on the early season read (along with the performance of some individual players)...more speculation about the future as opposed to an assertion of the here and now...also, talking about a comparable philosophy/approach...not saying squads are carbon copies...with respect to the D, Rod said he wanted to take a Seahawks approach...don't you agree that we're as close as we've ever been in terms of making that a reality?

Not at all. Seattle never got gashed in the run game like this defense does.

 

[robbieruff]

Seattle won its SB on the strength of it's Defense. There isn't much, at this point, to compare in that regard. Prescott is a completely different QB than little short Wilson. Prescott is a pocket passer. These are fundamentally two completely different clubs. The Cowboys have a great OL and offense and Seattle had a Great Defense. Wilson does beat Manning without the defense.

With Dak in at QB and our approach on offense, I don't follow how you can say that we are fundamentally different than the Seahawks' approach to offense during the Wilson, Beast Mode seasons of the recent past...our philosophies on the offensive side of the ball appear to me to be in total alignment: lead with a physical run game, use play action, keep downs and distance manageable, move the QB around (but yes, Dak does designed rollouts less than Wilson but he does it enough on a regular basis to confirm it's a part of his standard play package as teams are started to scheme for it on defense)...not to mention my original post was NOT about how the clubs compare tit-for-tat in the CURRENT STATE but that, as a team, we are moving toward a Seahawk style of ball on both sides...that that is the "blueprint" we're now following with the emergence of Dak. Rod has said for quite some time that the model for his defense is Seattle (http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2015...oys-defense-doesnt-fit-typical-4-3-definition) and we appear to be on a trajectory FINALLY this season of realizing that objective (certainly a lot closer than last year and 2014 I would think, no?). Again, my post was not a HERE AND NOW comparison nor was it an assertion that we're carbon copies...what I am saying is that, in terms of where we are in our current development, it is a fairly reasonable assertion that we're on a similar philosophical path as Seattle was a few years ago with Dak behind center as well as our defensive improvements in this early part of the season.

 

[robbieruff]

Not at all. Seattle never got gashed in the run game like this defense does.

LOL...so not allowing a 100 yard rusher and a 100 yard receiver is getting gashed? And Frank Gore never gashed those great Seattle defenses??? OK brah...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rank-gores-value-against-the-seattle-seahawks

Seattle was 23rd against the run during Russell Wilson's rookie year...how's that for never being gashed? I am not talking about us TODAY being comparable to their D...

 

[Hoofbite]

I hope not. Many around here say Wilson isn't that good and is a product of a strong team. I want a good QB.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I think that Dak is a better passer than Wilson. He seems to have better pocket presence and can hit the receivers in stride. Wilson is a good passer too no doubt. He throws the ball harder and I believe that he as a stronger arm. Just that I think

Dak has more touch and better accuracy. Just my opinion so don't roast me over a fire.

 

[shabazz]

LOL...so not allowing a 100 yard rusher and a 100 yard receiver is getting gashed? And Frank Gore never gashed those great Seattle defenses??? OK brah...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rank-gores-value-against-the-seattle-seahawks

Good stats, for sure. I just can't get the memory of the Giants running at will over the middle on us in that first game. Would love to see how much improved it can be if Scandy can get 100 percent and if Jaylon Smith and Gregory ever get on the field.

 

[robbieruff]

Good stats, for sure. I just can't get the memory of the Giants running at will over the middle on us in that first game. Would love to see how much improved it can be if Scandy can get 100 percent and if Jaylon Smith and Gregory ever get on the field.

Yeah...that was hecka frustrated. Particularly given that we knew it was coming AND the Giants ran the same dang play over and over again. Agree that was inexcusable. And to me original point, when we get the full compliment of players in (along with some savvy picks hopefully next year), I think this D will have the potentially to be top 10 if not dominant. But it is definitely a work in progress. I like how our Dline appears to be evolving though. With Collins in the mix (moving Crawford to DE) seems to be making us more stout up front...fingers crossed that it holds to form in GB this Sunday.

 

[robbieruff]

I hope not. Many around here say Wilson isn't that good and is a product of a strong team. I want a good QB.

Well. Opinions vary. Lol.

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

Intelligent well thought out thread robbieruff. I see the comparisons. I fully realize this is not a Dak vs Tony thread but we have to point out that Seattle went to the playoffs that year and won a game. Of course their decision was easier and we have a much different dynamic with Tony's prolific stats/contract etc.. but do we risk cementing this team around Dak? Will be interesting. Great thread.

 

[robbieruff]

Intelligent well thought out thread robbieruff. I see the comparisons. I fully realize this is not a Dak vs Tony thread but we have to point out that Seattle went to the playoffs that year and won a game. Of course their decision was easier and we have a much different dynamic with Tony's prolific stats/contract etc.. but do we risk cementing this team around Dak? Will be interesting. Great thread.

Thx. Very kind of u to say . And yes, I agree the turn of events this season has placed on a very unexpected path. Sort of exciting!!! Things are going to get very interesting come decision time. Jerry keeps calling it a great problem to have. We'll see how he handles it!

 

[DCBoysfan]

Flame me if you want but Dak will be much better than Wilson. They aren't comparable. DAk is a true pocket passer, if you keep Wilson in the pocket he sucks.

Apparently you haven't watched WIlson, he is equally dangerous in or out of the pocket.

 

[Gameover]

The big difference is Wilson could play safe and kick FGs to win games while Dak is going to have to keep scoring TDs at a high rate to win games

Nonsense

 

[MileyDancer]

The big difference is Wilson could play safe and kick FGs to win games while Dak is going to have to keep scoring TDs at a high rate to win games

Yeah, but if we have that defense, we are contending for sure. Wilson isn't THAT great.

 

[ShiningStar]

I think people are over thinking this. When we played Seattle they were the hot team, playoff ready and the top notch at that time. We beat them and they went from good to looking decent after that. GB is not showing that team right now. They might after the game, but right now, the two are on different planes. We went to seattle with everyone thinking we were facing a playoff team, GB is only looking like a play off team if everyone else sucks. Not the same comparison in my mind.