Secondary Concerns

McKDaddy said:
Steel sharpens steel. We should be better all around simply because we are practicing against better competition. If one side was dominating practice, i would be worried but with the secondary holding its own against the WR's sounds pretty balanced.

We don't have any elite players in our secondary but i think they are a solid group overall.
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I think right now hard to say, only when they hit the field will we know. Good test to open the season up but at least at that point, DL doe not have to pull up to avoid the QB and that alone I think will be a big help to the secondary.
 
I agree that Awuzie is a better CB than he gets credit for. I don't think he is a good enough tackler to play safety. I do not think the secondary is the problem on this team. I think the pass rush will be better which will make the secondary better. I think Awuzie, Brown and Lewis are good enough. Diggs appears to be the real deal so having him come in and replace anyone who is not getting it done is a nice insurance policy. Safety is a concern, as it has been for years, but I need to see some game play to get a feel for how bad it really is.

On the other hand, I think the OL is a real problem. Of course losing Frederick is huge. I like Looney but I don't love him. I like Connor Williams but I don't love him either. The tandem of Williams and Looney I hate. But Williams is supposedly bigger and stronger so I will reserve judgement until I see him play. My bigger concern is Tyron Smith. Can he last the entire season without injury? Is anyone on this team good enough to back him up? Is Collins healthy? I hate they we did not see any preseason play this year to evaluate this situation. But I guess this is the same for every team.
 
Team loses the best DB and DL, I'd worry about the entire D. A lot of hope is being placed on rookie DB's and some name FA's to just keep this D as mediocre as it was last year.

The OL is not as big of a concern unless they plan of too many long developing plays. I also trust this HC with this OL more than the previous one because he once won a playoff game starting 5 guards on his line and has a history of overcoming losses on his OL.

There are HC's that handle the adversity of missing starters as it comes their way and others that seem to anticipate that like Belichick and Pederson and I believe McC is in that camp.
 
i think our secondary will be much better this year. better coaching. and the entirely new concept of actually turning and looking for the ball should help.
 
Secondary is our weakness headed into the season for sure but people watching practice say the secondary has looked really good so we will see.
 
QuincyCarterEra said:
That didn't happen last year, and our starters got worse at pass rushing.

Theoretical and misplaced
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Am I talking about last year? I'm talking about the current team. Do you really think the current starters are worse at pass rushing? We've had no way of knowing because they haven't shown us anything. Just curious what you think.
 
Creeper said:
I agree that Awuzie is a better CB than he gets credit for. I don't think he is a good enough tackler to play safety. I do not think the secondary is the problem on this team. I think the pass rush will be better which will make the secondary better. I think Awuzie, Brown and Lewis are good enough. Diggs appears to be the real deal so having him come in and replace anyone who is not getting it done is a nice insurance policy. Safety is a concern, as it has been for years, but I need to see some game play to get a feel for how bad it really is.

On the other hand, I think the OL is a real problem. Of course losing Frederick is huge. I like Looney but I don't love him. I like Connor Williams but I don't love him either. The tandem of Williams and Looney I hate. But Williams is supposedly bigger and stronger so I will reserve judgement until I see him play. My bigger concern is Tyron Smith. Can he last the entire season without injury? Is anyone on this team good enough to back him up? Is Collins healthy? I hate they we did not see any preseason play this year to evaluate this situation. But I guess this is the same for every team.
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-Tyron Smith is tied into what reserve Cam Irving can do, can deliver, has to be ready to deliver as Smith is bound to miss
a game or two. And who knows how often he has to exit a game, unable to finish. i would have thought Williams would be prepped
to swing at OT, rather than at C.

- Looney is just decent to keep us operational, but this is where his vet experience will come into handy this year.
but once he has to take on the Brockers, Cox, Payne, in some blocking assignments, that's when his limitations will be exposed.
I wonder if vet coaches may believe Tyle Biadasz may be next year's ready project. i just dunno.
I heard this Marcus Henry was actually getting reps ahead of Biadasz. on the offense,.. WTH? ....whassup with dat ?

- I worry about the new OL coach Joe Philibin. and how he is preparing and coaching the OL unit.
How he will deal with injury adversity and keep the unit playing intensely at a high level.
Will he be a motivational coach that players respect and respond to.
Columbo was clearly in command and he had players respond to him. i have to see that with new OL coach Joe Philibin.

- Admittedly i am concerned of the condition of the OL in Collins missing most of camp trying to catch up.
How much was conditioning issues ? and how much could have been an unclosed injury ?
Columbo did wonders for Lael, and i'd hate to see a setback with him...... and then there was Knight catching up ?

- the coaches to keep McGovern strictly at OG this year, maybe cuz he had no previous NFL experience at all with missing
all last year with torn pec. Apparently this new OL coach doesn't not want to flex McGovern in a dual role as a backup in
his first camp. i don't get it.
 
JoeKing said:
Am I talking about last year? I'm talking about the current team. Do you really think the current starters are worse at pass rushing? We've had no way of knowing because they haven't shown us anything. Just curious what you think.
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Did you think it masked our secondaries issues last season? If the answer is no, and we regressed, why would it mask it this season?

Without a question. We do have many ways of knowing, these guys having been playing for years. You're expecting only to use three weeks worth of information instead of multiple years?

DLaw is the one consistent
Griffen is the better overall player, Quinn the better lass rusher
Poe has been a zero as a pass rusher for years now
And now we are going from Collins to one of Hill or Crawford at 3T.
 
QuincyCarterEra said:
Did you think it masked our secondaries issues last season? If the answer is no, and we regressed, why would it mask it this season?

Without a question. We do have many ways of knowing, these guys having been playing for years. You're expecting only to use three weeks worth of information instead of multiple years?

DLaw is the one consistent
Griffen is the better overall player, Quinn the better lass rusher
Poe has been a zero as a pass rusher for years now
And now we are going from Collins to one of Hill or Crawford at 3T.
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So what do we know from previous years about those players you mentioned?

DLaw was disappointing in 2019, only got us 5 sacks.
We lost our best pass rusher, Quinn but maybe Griffen can make up fro that lose... still needs to be seen.
Poe... you said it, zero as a pass rusher
Hill was disappointing in 2019, Crawford is injury prone.

I'm not hopeful for that group at all.
 
JoeKing said:
So what do we know from previous years about those players you mentioned?

DLaw was disappointing in 2019, only got us 5 sacks.
We lost our best pass rusher, Quinn but maybe Griffen can make up fro that lose... still needs to be seen.
Poe... you said it, zero as a pass rusher
Hill was disappointing in 2019, Crawford is injury prone.

I'm not hopeful for that group at all.
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Dang you shouldnt be so optomistic
 
starfan1 said:
Dang you shouldnt be so optomistic
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You are exactly right. I have no reason to think anything positive about Griffen. Everson will probably be a bust here because of the lack of leadership.
 
JoeKing said:
You are exactly right. I have no reason to think anything positive about Griffen. Everson will probably be a bust here because of the lack of leadership.
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Ya probably no reason to watch the season at this point. Think ill get rid of Sunday ticket were gonna suck anyway lol
 
quickccc said:
The Secondary an the OL unit are among my top two concerns for this team.
(and i'm taking for granted that we'll be tough vs run D")
We'll need a serviceable CBs for another year, and I feel a heckuva lot better with Awuzie staying
at CB rather than moving to safety and forcing him to make the adjustment in such limited time.

- Imo, while he has his flaws, I feel Awuzie is a better overall starter than either Brown or Lewis.
we should be able to maintain the slot so long as Brown is limited there. we'll make do with
Lewis as depth at the slot.

- The guy I am really counting on, is rookie Trevon Diggs, particularly because of
his ball skills and INT ability, length and already displaying that head-turns looking for the ball in air.
He may give up some plays while he learns the game and compete vs the better WRs, but he should
make more better plays than what he gives up. And by season's end, he should be our best CB.

- It maybe more the safety roles that may prove our biggest weaknesses heading into the season.
At this point i do not feel slightest comfort that journeyman like Darian Thompson being a starter.
Tends to have me really wondering if Clinton Dix is that bad and disappointing more than
Thompson is being that good as a starter.

- And is Donovan Wilson coming along.. or is there limitations that he is displaying that is not
prompting him to the starter status, .such as Thompson ?
i've always thought he has INT ball skills but i've not seen enough of him in man coverage
or support tackling to know how he is holding up or would hold up.

- Woods is one of those that i usually hear every year how good a camp he is having, but
when the reg season comes he's been just decent-serviceable to just get by with.
I think he does have range and INT skills, and he can man cover to a degree, but he has to finished
not dropping INTs, not being out of position as often and better overall tackler.
Doesn't speak volume when a running Saints QB is bowling you over with ease.

- Reggie Robinson is just converting to safety after much of camp at CB, i still think
his head is spinning trying to just get his feet settled at a certain position along with speed
and technical part of the NFL. But I wonder if he will be game active simply because of his
outstanding work in college at special teams where he blocked 4 kicks.
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I think CB is a strength. I also think our Safeties are the worst in the league. When an undersized 6th rounder is your star you know you are bad.

They are stacked at CB. I think they have 3-4 guys that can compete on many teams to start then you add Diggs. The CBs are fine.
 
Whyjerry said:
I think CB is a strength. I also think our Safeties are the worst in the league. When an undersized 6th rounder is your star you know you are bad.

They are stacked at CB. I think they have 3-4 guys that can compete on many teams to start then you add Diggs. The CBs are fine.
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i dunno about being down on Xavier simply because he was a late round pick,,,NFL has some productive safeties from 5th rd to even undrafted.
Rodney harrison ( 5th rd) ...Kam Chancleor (5th rd) ...Bradley McDougald (undrafted) ..Ryan Clark (undrafted) ...

Sometime late Rd/undrafted gems works out for you,.. and even the early rounders do not. Xavier was a INT machine in college
and in 5th rd i have no qualms about taking a guy like that on your draft board. But just like ANY other position, if that player ,that position
has not panned out for you, you have to keep it going at it in the offseason.
 
quickccc said:
i dunno about being down on Xavier simply because he was a late round pick,,,NFL has some productive safeties from 5th rd to even undrafted.
Rodney harrison ( 5th rd) ...Kam Chancleor (5th rd) ...Bradley McDougald (undrafted) ..Ryan Clark (undrafted) ...

Sometime late Rd/undrafted gems works out for you,.. and even the early rounders do not. Xavier was a INT machine in college
and in 5th rd i have no qualms about taking a guy like that on your draft board. But just like ANY other position, if that player ,that position
has not panned out for you, you have to keep it going at it in the offseason.
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I am fine with a late rounder being a star. Woods was below average last year and he is best guy on the roster now.
 
CouchCoach said:
Team loses the best DB and DL, I'd worry about the entire D. A lot of hope is being placed on rookie DB's and some name FA's to just keep this D as mediocre as it was last year.

The OL is not as big of a concern unless they plan of too many long developing plays. I also trust this HC with this OL more than the previous one because he once won a playoff game starting 5 guards on his line and has a history of overcoming losses on his OL.

There are HC's that handle the adversity of missing starters as it comes their way and others that seem to anticipate that like Belichick and Pederson and I believe McC is in that camp.
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Yeh, but this new HC isn't working with the same OL coach that he was winning those playoff games and SB with for MM's last 11 years
at GB ...that was James Camben.
New OL coach Joe Philbin has only been the primary OL coach for Packers in 2003 i believe.
 
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