Self awareness/accountability

[MountaineerCowboy]

And what QB would you bet the house on against the field?

I think it's safe to say guys like Brady or Mahomes would be bets you'd make if you were forced.

Nobody is betting on Dak if forced to bet. Nobody. That includes all you so called believers of him. It's easy to say you believe in him with nothing on the line, but when things get real you'd never bet on him to get it done.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Unlike the adolescents on here I do not use terms like trolling, baiting, or hater but have fun on the playground jungle gym.

But you have gotten testy or bothered by some positive or complementary Dak threads that have been posted on this forum. Reprimanding or questioning the OPs of these threads for dare posting any positivity about Dak. Seeming to have a problem with Dak getting credit for things you wouldn't have a problem with a QB like Herbert or whichever other QBs you happen to like or favor get credit for. And yes there have accusations from some of this board that Cowboys fan who posts something positive about Dak, must be "baiting" the Dak critics for a reaction.

If it's a positive remark made about Dak, You said things like "Why is a thread being made about this, this is something a QB is suppose to do." But, then do you use this same logic for when other QBs get praised, complimented and credited for doing something well or achieving certain things on the logic that a QB is suppose to do them?

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

I think it's safe to say guys like Brady or Mahomes would be bets you'd make if you were forced.

Nobody is betting on Dak if forced to bet. Nobody. That includes all you so called believers of him. It's easy to say you believe in him with nothing on the line, but when things get real you'd never bet on him to get it done.

How about QBs who have yet to win a Super Bowl and have yet to prove anything more than what Dak has proven so far?

 

[USArmyVet]

But you have gotten testy or bothered by some positive or complementary Dak threads that have been posted on this forum. Reprimanding or questioning the OPs of these threads for dare posting any positivity about Dak. Seeming to have a problem with Dak getting credit for things you wouldn't have a problem with a QB like Herbert or whichever other QBs you happen to like or favor get credit for. And yes there have accusations from some of this board that Cowboys fan who posts something positive about Dak, must be "baiting" the Dak critics for a reaction.

If it's a positive remark made about Dak, You said things like "Why is a thread being made about this, this is something a QB is suppose to do." But, then do you use this same logic for when other QBs get praised, complimented and credited for doing something well or achieving certain things on the logic that a QB is suppose to do them?

Yet again your comments are BS as I never said "Why is a thread being made about this, this is something a QB is supposed to do."......but that is what some of you guys do (make s--t up) to somehow support your delusion.

I, and many others, use stats and facts to point out poor play by numerous players (not just Dak) but there are some on here who combat said debate with nothing but emotions and troll/hater comments. They are Baby Hughies and nothing more.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Outside of the 2020 season and the 4-1/2 games Dak played, I'm pretty sure the list of games that saw the defense give up 20 points or less only to see the offense crew the pooch outweigh your example.

How often has the Cowboys have a defense that has consistently been able to shut teams down, hold them to 20 points of less, get 3 and outs, force turnovers, and come up with important stops after the offense scores, while Dak was the QB. Of course of you'll try to exclude and eliminate certain years or seasons in order to fit your narrative that it's all and only Dak's fault.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

How about QBs who have yet to win a Super Bowl and have yet to prove anything more than what Dak has proven so far?

Who cares about them? That's other fanbases problems. Dak is our problem.

Ya'll "fake" believe in him just because he's a Cowboy. If push ever came to shove not a single one of you would pick him to win anything against the field. That's a fact.

I'm not fake about it. I don't believe he's that good and I don't believe he can win anything unless he's Trent Dilfer'd his way into it. A few of us will keep saying what ya'll are thinking but are too scared to say.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Yet again your comments are BS as I never said "Why is a thread being made about this, this is something a QB is supposed to do."......but that is what some of you guys do (make s--t up) to somehow support your delusion.

I, and many others, use stats and facts to point out poor play by numerous players (not just Dak) but there are some on here who combat said debate with nothing but emotions and troll/hater comments. They are Baby Hughies and nothing more.

Actually you have responded with negativity multiple times to any positive thread or topic that is made about Dak. And accuse Dak supporters of acting on "emotion." When there Dak haters and critics, who only come around when Dak has a bad game or is in a slump. And Dak critics who never admit to when he is playing well, but then accuse Dak supporters of not being able to admit when he is playing badly.

 

[Deep_South]

It seems to me that prior knowledge the opposition is never going to blitz should be an advantage we can exploit, instead of throwing the ball out in the flat to a player who will be immediately tackled over and over.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

How often has the Cowboys have a defense that has consistently been able to shut teams down, hold them to 20 points of less, get 3 and outs, force turnovers, and come up with important stops after the offense scores, while Dak was the QB. Of course of you'll try to exclude and eliminate certain years or seasons in order to fit your narrative that it's all and only Dak's fault.

We lost 3 games in 2019 alone where our defense held teams to 12, 13, and 17.

Dak threw ZERO TDs in all three of those games COMBINED.

We went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Who cares about them? That's other fanbases problems. Dak is our problem.

Ya'll "fake" believe in him just because he's a Cowboy. If push ever came to shove not a single one of you would pick him to win anything against the field. That's a fact.

I'm not fake about it. I don't believe he's that good and I don't believe he can win anything unless he's Trent Dilfer'd his way into it. A few of us will keep saying what ya'll are thinking but are too scared to say.

Who cares other than the QBs who this forum constantly says are so much better than Dak? Other QBs get brought up all of the time on this board in scenarios that the are much better than Dak and are more capable of carrying their team to the Super Bowl. So what other QBs would you bet the house on, since you are trying to challenge Cowboys fans on answering whether or not they would bet the house on Dak. Hold other QBs who haven't won a Super Bowl yet to the same standards and ask the question about them.

If you believe so much in QBs for other teams, then why won't you take your money and bet the house on them?

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

We lost 3 games in 2019 alone where our defense held teams to 12, 13, and 17.

Dak threw ZERO TDs in all three of those games COMBINED.

We went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.

And I can point out more than 3 games where the offense/team scored more than 30 points and the Cowboys still lost because of the defense giving up more points. Or point out games where the offense came up with a big drive in the 4th quarter, just for the defense to allow the opposing offense to drive right down the field and score.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Who cares other than the QBs who this forum constantly says are so much better than Dak? Other QBs get brought up all of the time on this board in scenarios that the are much better than Dak and are more capable of carrying their team to the Super Bowl. So what other QBs would you bet the house on, since you are trying to challenge Cowboys fans on answering whether or not they would bet the house on Dak. Hold other QBs who haven't won a Super Bowl yet to the same standards and ask the question about them.

If you believe so much in QBs for other teams, then why won't you take your money and bet the house on them?

Who said I believe in any of these guys? Thinking guys are better than Dak doesn't mean I believe in them leading a team to the Super Bowl. That just means I don't believe Dak is all that. Which he is proving me right every week on.

You guys are the ones that believe an average QB is elite. Not me.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

And I can point out more than 3 games where the offense/team scored more than 30 points and the Cowboys still lost because of the defense giving up more points. Or point out games where the offense came up with a big drive in the 4th quarter, just for the defense to allow the opposing offense to drive right down the field and score.

That's not what you asked. You asked: "How often has the Cowboys have a defense that has consistently been able to shut teams down, hold them to 20 points of less, get 3 and outs, force turnovers, and come up with important stops after the offense scores, while Dak was the QB"

I gave you three examples in one season of just that. Now you wanna try and move the goal post? This is what I'm talking about. You Dallas Prescott fans just cannot bring yourselves to accept what Dak is as a QB. Dak leading this team to anything short of a Super Bowl is going to make everyone of you look like you know nothing. Why put yourself in a corner like that? Take him for what he is and hope for the best. When he's horrible stop trying to defend it and place blame everywhere else and just own it.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Who said I believe in any of these guys? Thinking guys are better than Dak doesn't mean I believe in them leading a team to the Super Bowl. That just means I don't believe Dak is all that. Which he is proving me right every week on.

You guys are the ones that believe an average QB is elite. Not me.

That is your belief that he is average. Where as other believe that he can have the ability to be a great QB. But the point is that if you're not going to bet the house on other QBs against Brady, Mahomes or Rodgers. Then why would be challenge Cowboys fans to do it and then believe you're making a point, challenging others to do with Dak, what you wouldn't feel comfortable doing with other QBs against the field.

I could even go as far as asking would you bet the house on any QB who you believe would be better suited to lead the Cowboys to the Super Bowl or who you would believe would make for an elite QB if he played for the Cowboys.

 

[kskboys]

The biggest takeaway I got from that interview was when Dak was talking about the way defenses are playing him— ie they aren’t blitzing him anymore

He acknowledged that is requiring patience from him and the entire offense.

IMO— although there are several factors and variables affecting the offense— that might be the most significant.

Dak has always excelled against the blitz. Teams take that away, and he is struggling to adapt, make the safe read, and move the ball. He called himself “greedy” the other day after throwing the INT in NO. I think impatient might be more accurate.

In all his trying prove everyone wrong— he is putting too much on himself. Right now he needs to settle down and just get the ball to his playmakers and let them work the ball down the field.

I don't think most understand how big of a mistake it was renegging on a contract agreement the previous year and then holding out for every last penny the next. This sort of thing not only puts a target on his back for everyone, but also affects him mentally. I actually see Dak as an honest good dude who got really bad advice. If he'd have played on the contract offered the previous year, he'd have made 2 mil more and it wouldn't have been an issue. Instead, he held out and got big contract and it has affected him mentally in a big way. My take.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

That is your belief that he is average. Where as other believe that he can have the ability to be a great QB. But the point is that if you're not going to bet the house on other QBs against Brady, Mahomes or Rodgers. Then why would be challenge Cowboys fans to do it and then believe you're making a point, challenging others to do with Dak, what you wouldn't feel comfortable doing with other QBs against the field.

I could even go as far as asking would you bet the house on any QB who you believe would be better suited to lead the Cowboys to the Super Bowl or who you would believe would make for an elite QB if he played for the Cowboys.

I'd bet the house on the field over Dak for the rest of career. That's for sure.

If Mahomes became the Cowboys QB right now you'd get rich betting on him winning a Super Bowl for the Cowboys before his career was over.

 

[kskboys]

What does Herbert have to do with Dak? That said, Herbert led the Chargers to a game leading TD with 2:19 left to play and the Chargers defense allowed the Chiefs to go 75 yards in 1:03 to tie the game with a TD.......but that's on Herbert? Nice try.

Not only that, the long pass on 3rd and 15 on the last drive was a completion, but the defender got his legs tangled w/ the receiver.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

That's not what you asked. You asked: "How often has the Cowboys have a defense that has consistently been able to shut teams down, hold them to 20 points of less, get 3 and outs, force turnovers, and come up with important stops after the offense scores, while Dak was the QB"

I gave you three examples in one season of just that. Now you wanna try and move the goal post? This is what I'm talking about. You Dallas Prescott fans just cannot bring yourselves to accept what Dak is as a QB. Dak leading this team to anything short of a Super Bowl is going to make everyone of you look like you know nothing. Why put yourself in a corner like that? Take him for what he is and hope for the best. When he's horrible stop trying to defend it and place blame everywhere else and just own it.

So if Dak proves all of the doubters and critics wrong, you're going to own it correct? If Dak actually leads this team to the Super Bowl, while you challenge on of Dak's critics to own up to being wrong or is this just a one sided thing?

By the way a lot Dak supporters have admitted that he is playing horribly or is in a slump. Some just choose to believe that.

1. He can get out of the slump and get back to playing like he is was earlier in the season.
2. That the offense struggling for the last few weeks, isn't all on Dak and isn't only his fault. Or that he isn't solely to blame for it.

Others have chosen to give up on the season and throw in the towel, in your belief that this offense and Dak can't get back to how they were playing earlier in the season. Some Cowboys fans choose to always only look at things from a negative or pessimistic stand point, even when the Cowboys are winning games and are playing well. Then there's some who mainly only show up after a Cowboys loss or a Dak slump.

 

[phildadon86]

Outside of the 2020 season and the 4-1/2 games Dak played, I'm pretty sure the list of games that saw the defense give up 20 points or less only to see the offense crew the pooch outweigh your example.

What’s amazing is next to Tom Brady since 2016 Dak leads the league in 4th quarter comebacks. Explain that. Or is it everyone else but Dak that gets the credit?

 

[johneric8]

Go to Vegas and put something down on him to win something then.

Put your money where your internet mouth is.

If you believe in his sooooooo much then why not gain something from it?

2016, Dak was a huge reason we were about to beat the packers in the division round of the playoffs but the defense couldn't get it done end of game. But yeah, that is on Dak in the eyes of a hater. If defense makes the stop, Dak is part of the reason we won, and in his rookie year mind you..

2018, Dak was a big part in beating the Seahawks in the wildcard round, then lost to Rams in the division round.... the team played poorly and couldn't stop the run and lost. Of course the offense wasn't great either, but that happens when you run into a better team and better coach.

Based on your metrics you would of written off Drew Brees as well since it took him and his team some time to find a winning formula..