Self awareness/accountability

[USArmyVet]

Actually you have responded with negativity multiple times to any positive thread or topic that is made about Dak. And accuse Dak supporters of acting on "emotion." When there Dak haters and critics, who only come around when Dak has a bad game or is in a slump. And Dak critics who never admit to when he is playing well, but then accuse Dak supporters of not being able to admit when he is playing badly.

Funny seeing as how there are some that refuse to criticize Dak and disappear when he plays like crap....oh well.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

I don't criticize Dak because he has yet to win a Super Bowl. I criticize Dak because I flat out don't think he's a great QB. I think he is fools gold.

Josh Allen and Justin Herbert are two QBs that I believe would make someone rich if they bet on them leading their team to a Super Bowl win before their careers are over.

Again, I don't care about these guys. I care about Dak and his play because he plays for the Cowboys. I don't believe in him, but you do, but I guarantee if push came to shove you'd be on my side of things if forced to bet.

Josh Allen had an awful game against the Jaguars where the Bills lost and the Bills offense only scored 6 points. The Bills have been on downward trend, that can be described as worse than the Cowboys. As the Bills have lost most of their games that they have played in the last recent weeks and the Bills right now are 7-6. Josh Allen gets paid more than Dak and also has a roster/team that some during this season have ranked or said was better than the Cowboys.

So you believe in Josh Allen and would bet on him despite the fact that he has struggled in some games this season, including against inferior opponents and the Bills might even be on the edge of missing the playoffs all together, if they don't turn things around during their next couple of games. Since they are now fighting for a wildcard after the Patriots stormed back to take over the division once again.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Funny seeing as how there are some that refuse to criticize Dak and disappear when he plays like crap....oh well.

I see more Dak Supporters seem to be more willing to stick around in larger numbers after a Cowboys lose or after Dak has had a bad game. There are Dak haters and critics who will either disappear or who seem to be miserable , irritated or bothered by Dak receiving any positive praise or attention when he is playing well. And will go out of their way to only highlight the negative things that analysts, pundits, or certain sports personalities will say about Dak. But if NFL analysts, pundits, or sports personalities say anything complementary about him, then some of his critics will go out of their way to try to discredit and dismiss it. Only wanting to accept the criticisms of Dak as being credible. While dismissing or downplaying anything good said about him.

 

[USArmyVet]

And I can point out more than 3 games where the offense/team scored more than 30 points and the Cowboys still lost because of the defense giving up more points. Or point out games where the offense came up with a big drive in the 4th quarter, just for the defense to allow the opposing offense to drive right down the field and score.

Games in which the Dallas offense scored 30 or more points and lost:

2016: 0
2017: 2
2018: 0
2019: 0
2020: 2
2021: 1


So 5 games (2 of which came in the abysmal 2020 defensive season) in which the Dak led Cowboys offense scored 30 or more points and the team lost.......5 games out of Dak's career 81 games played.....so in other words 6.2% of ALL games played did Dak lead the Cowboys to 30 or more points and lost.......compared to the 10 out of 81 career games (12.3%) Dak lost wherein the defense gave up less than 21 points in a game only to see the Dak led offense manage 12.1 points a game in those losses....so basically Dak has lost twice as much.

 

[USArmyVet]

2016, Dak was a huge reason we were about to beat the packers in the division round of the playoffs but the defense couldn't get it done end of game. But yeah, that is on Dak in the eyes of a hater. If defense makes the stop, Dak is part of the reason we won, and in his rookie year mind you..

2018, Dak was a big part in beating the Seahawks in the wildcard round, then lost to Rams in the division round.... the team played poorly and couldn't stop the run and lost. Of course the offense wasn't great either, but that happens when you run into a better team and better coach.

Based on your metrics you would of written off Drew Brees as well since it took him and his team some time to find a winning formula..

Dak didn't beat the Packers in the 2016 playoffs so in your very first sentence you debunked any point you were trying to make.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I love it when people make these threads and are impressed as if they expect to hear anything else from a QB.

That’s not a knock on Dak. He interviews well.

It’s a knock at the fanbois that eat this up.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Fit my narrative? What the hell did you just do? You guys are all the same: blame everyone but Dak for his crap play.

Dallas Cowboys defense average points given up by year:

2016: 19.125
2017: 20.75
2018: 20.25
2019: 20.06
2020: 29.26
2021: 22.08

So, outside of the 2020 season (in which Dak only played 4-1/2 games), the Dallas defense has been averaging at, just below, or just above 20 points/game average every season Dak has been the QB.

Furthermore, here are the number of games by season that the Dallas defense has given up more than 21 points in a game in which Dak played and Dak's record in those games:

2016: 5 games (4-1) (defense gave up an average of 25.8 points in these games)
2017: 6 games (0-6) (defense gave up an average of 34 points in these games)
2018: 7 games (4-3) (defense gave up an average of 25.7 points in these games)
2019: 6 games (1-5) (defense gave up an average of 28.3 points in these games)
2020: 4 games (2-2) (defense gave up an average of 40 points in these games)
2021: 5 games (2-3) (defense gave up an average of 30.1 points in these games)
Combined record: 12-20 .375 winning %


Lastly, here are the amount of games per season that the Dallas defense has given up less than 21 points in a game in which Dak played and Dak's record in those games:

2016: 10 games (8-2)
2017: 9 games (9-0)
2018: 9 games (6-3)
2019: 8 games (5-3)
2020: 1 game (0-1)
2021: 6 games (5-1)

Combined record: 33-10 .767 winning %


The point? In games that Dak has been the QB, there are more games in which the defense has given up less than 21 points than there have been where they gave up more than 21 points......and in the 10 games that Dak lost in which the defense has given up less than 21 points, the offense has averaged 12.1 points per game.....so even when the defense is playing well (as you say is constantly needed) Dak manages to lose those games.

If you are the type to say "Dak lost", but then when the Cowboys win, you say "Team win". Then yes you have a certain narrative that you wish to push. You are the same who will give all of the other players on both sides of the ball complete free passes and leeway for the costly mistakes and mishaps they make which causes the Cowboys to lose a game in order to try to put all of the blame on Dak and only on Dak.

For the last few weeks, there have been fans acknowledging that Dak hasn't been playing well. But have also said that the issue isn't just with Dak, but with the offense as a whole unit. When this is pointed out some will dismiss this by saying things like "Oh so Dak needs everything perfect to win." Or will claim that the OL and the other parts of the offense are playing just fine, so that the can push the narrative that it's only and solely Dak's fault.

 

[USArmyVet]

Drew Brees went 7-9 for 3 seasons in a row and I'm sure had some fans who were doubting him and writing him off at the time during the course of this seasons. Of course it's easier to look back now after his career is over with and say that he is one of the all time greats. Point is that QBs who have had their careers or seasons written off due to slumps or losing seasons, have come back to have great seasons or won a SB.

Dak may not be at Drew Brees level but has shown that he is capable of making great throws and putting together some good games.

Actually Brees was 7-8 in one of those season as he missed a game due to injury so your point is wrong. That said, Brees had already won a Super Bowl (2009) by your referenced years (2014-2016) and in the next 4 seasons immediately thereafter led the Saints to the playoffs in all 4 years compiling a 3-4 record in said games and had a regular season record of 41-13 (.759 winning %) during that time......so do you really want to try and bring up Brees' name when trying to defend Dak given Dak has a career record of 50-31 (.617 winning %) and is 37-28 (.569 winning %) since his rookie season??????

 

[USArmyVet]

Lol. I’m not even going to bother explaining the injuries in those games because you’ll just move the goal posts again.

you found 3 examples in a year span. What’s that tell you? Your hatred knows no bounds brother.

I think the biggest problem is Dak gets none of the praise when he plays well and all of the blame when the team loses. Even if it’s not all on him. That’s my issue at least. Quick to blame slow to praise. And I’m
On record saying Dak needs to play a lot better lol

Yet you can look all the way back to 2016 for a 1 game example?

"So when Dak did that. In the playoffs. And the defense let Aaron Rodgers score it wasn’t Daks fault? "


You also pointed out Dak is 2nd only to Tom Brady since 2016 in 4th quarter comebacks.....thereby leaving out all the NFL years prior.....but hey, your hatred and bias knows no bounds.

 

[phildadon86]

Dak's 4th quarter comebacks by year:

2016: 5
2017: 0
2018: 3
2019: 0
2020: 1
2021: 1


Yeah, keep hanging on to 2016 for all you are worth.

Oh, and Dak's game winning drives by year:

2016: 5
2017: 4
2018: 5
2019: 0
2020: 1
2021: 2

Seems the last 3 seasons Dak hasn't done much......unless you count put up personal stats.

I said since 2016. Jesus you really don’t like the guy

 

[phildadon86]

Yes, Josh Allen, the same guy that finished 2nd in the MVP voting and had his team 1 game away from the Super Bowl a year ago in just his 3rd year.

Both things Dak has NEVER done.

Lol. Remind me again. Where was Josh Allen’s defense ranked last year? And why couldn’t he do these miraculous things without Diggs on the team? Why couldn’t he “elevate those around him lead” without diggs? Care to comment? Or you going to move the goalposts again. Top QB or not. They need talent around them to succeed. Period.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

Run game sucks, Oline playing horrible and his receivers have been in and out of the lineup. Not to mention he has been ailing. Is it any wonder why Dak and the offense have been in a slump?

Its like some of you have no clue why things happen. AS if we just woke up one day, nothing has changed and for whatever reason the offense is slumping. LOL

And for all the 50 Dak threads I never hear any of you homers talk about the real elephant in the room. The 15 million dollar RB that has completely sucked for 7 games in a row now. I mean, he has literally been one of the least effective backs in the NFL during that stretch.

Is Zeke in a slump or you dont want to talk about that?

I believe both are in a slump.... That O'line needs to be fixed. Especially the center and the right and left guard.... At least fix that and a lot of the problems can be hidden...

 

[phildadon86]

Yet you can look all the way back to 2016 for a 1 game example?

"So when Dak did that. In the playoffs. And the defense let Aaron Rodgers score it wasn’t Daks fault? "


You also pointed out Dak is 2nd only to Tom Brady since 2016 in 4th quarter comebacks.....thereby leaving out all the NFL years prior.....but hey, your hatred and bias knows no bounds.

Obviously I’m leaving out years prior. Dak was drafted in 2016. What are you even trying to say? Lol. I’m saying since 2016 (year of Daks draft) he is top 5 in game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks. Why would I bring up what was done prior? Romo was tops in that too. Still amounted to no playoff success or championship wins. I don’t care about any stat except wins. I don’t care if Dak throws 1 time and we win the game. Jesus Jimmy G got to the superbowl throwing 7 times in the second half of the NFCCG. I’ll take that.

 

[USArmyVet]

Hahahahaha Josh Allen? The same one who only put up 6 points against the jaguars? You don’t even believe your own comments anymore. You can’t say Dak sucks because he failed to score touchdowns and then say Josh Allen is better when he failed to score a TD against one of the worst teams in the league. Get outta here man

In his 56 career games, Allen failed to throw a TD in 10 of those games (1 of which he played 1 series) with 5 of those games coming in his rookie season of 2017.

In his 81 career games, Dak has failed to throw a TD in 20 of those games (1 in which he played 1 series) with 4 of those games coming in his rookie season of 2016.


So, according to the stats Allen has thrown 0 TD's in 17.9% of all of his games while Dak has thrown 0 TD's in 24.7% of all of his games......

....so do you really want to be mocking Allen over 1 game seeing as how Dak has been blanked more often??????

 

[USArmyVet]

He was Army. No surprise he got all his men killed.

Rockhead, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[Doomsday101]

I said since 2016. Jesus you really don’t like the guy

You just figuring that out? lol My own feelings I don't care what Dak did in 2016 nor do I care what he did in 2020 what I care about is now. He and this offense have 4 games in front of them to get this all figured out and try to hit post season moving in the right direction and get back to playing great ball. Some of us believe this offense can get things turned around and others simply do not. In the end for some it will not matter what Dak does, nothing is going to change their views.

Very simply I am a fan and this team has my full support, that goes for every single player out there not Dak alone, Does not mean a player is somehow immune from being criticized, just means at the end of the day I support them.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Actually Brees was 7-8 in one of those season as he missed a game due to injury so your point is wrong. That said, Brees had already won a Super Bowl (2009) by your referenced years (2014-2016) and in the next 4 seasons immediately thereafter led the Saints to the playoffs in all 4 years compiling a 3-4 record in said games and had a regular season record of 41-13 (.759 winning %) during that time......so do you really want to try and bring up Brees' name when trying to defend Dak given Dak has a career record of 50-31 (.617 winning %) and is 37-28 (.569 winning %) since his rookie season??????

7-8 what difference does it make? The Saints still had three losing seasons in a row for when Brees was the starter for the majority of that time period. And Drew Brees still had slumps after his Super Bowl win. Or times where people doubted him and believed him to either be declining or believed that his career was done and he would never got back to playing like he did in 2009.

None of what you just said or posted, negates the fact that Brees had at least a segment of media and fans who were doubting him during the time where the Saints went 7-9 for 3 seasons in a row. And as great as his career has been, he still has one Super Bowl for the entire course of his career. Dak still has a chance in his career to get his own, whether or not you believe in him be capable of winning a Super Bowl.

 

[USArmyVet]

If you are the type to say "Dak lost", but then when the Cowboys win, you say "Team win". Then yes you have a certain narrative that you wish to push. You are the same who will give all of the other players on both sides of the ball complete free passes and leeway for the costly mistakes and mishaps they make which causes the Cowboys to lose a game in order to try to put all of the blame on Dak and only on Dak.

For the last few weeks, there have been fans acknowledging that Dak hasn't been playing well. But have also said that the issue isn't just with Dak, but with the offense as a whole unit. When this is pointed out some will dismiss this by saying things like "Oh so Dak needs everything perfect to win." Or will claim that the OL and the other parts of the offense are playing just fine, so that the can push the narrative that it's only and solely Dak's fault.

Interesting seeing as how I have been critical of numerous players but I guess you see what you wish to see.

 

[USArmyVet]

Obviously I’m leaving out years prior. Dak was drafted in 2016. What are you even trying to say? Lol. I’m saying since 2016 (year of Daks draft) he is top 5 in game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks. Why would I bring up what was done prior? Romo was tops in that too. Still amounted to no playoff success or championship wins. I don’t care about any stat except wins. I don’t care if Dak throws 1 time and we win the game. Jesus Jimmy G got to the superbowl throwing 7 times in the second half of the NFCCG. I’ll take that.

You don't care about stats but you bring up Dak's stats.....can you not even see your own BS????

 

[USArmyVet]

I said since 2016. Jesus you really don’t like the guy

No, you try to herald Dak as being only behind Brady while leaving out the fact he hasn;t done s--t in terms of comebacks and game winning drives since 2016 & 2018, his only playoff years.