Sensabaugh has visits lined up — 3:30 p.m.

[zrinkill]

You've continually dogged him, wanting him to take "paycuts" or be benched, claiming that he "doesn't learn the CB position."

But now he's one of the reasons for our defensive success due to his "Pro Bowl" level play?

Oh, and...http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3140375&highlight=Newman#post3140375



Yeah, checkmate.

Well done.

 

[Suave]

So you're telling me you've never said something negative or positive about the Cowboys that you regretted saying by the end of the week? Seriously, man. It's not like I started a thread titled: "Newman needs to be cut/traded/released right NOW!" It was a post in a gamethread or something right after we had a very tough loss at home.

I understand. Frustration sometimes causes fans to say things without a clear and rational mind. Romo could have a horrible game, and fans would want him released from the team (last year, there were actually some fans who felt Wade should have started Kitna over Romo!). But Romo could have a great game the following week, and suddenly those SAME fans will say that he is "great."

 

[TheSport78]

I understand. Frustration sometimes causes fans to say things without a clear and rational mind. Romo could have a horrible game, and fans would want him released from the team (last year, there were actually some fans who felt Wade should have started Kitna over Romo!). But Romo could have a great game the following week, and suddenly those SAME fans will say that he is "great."

Absolutely, I hear what you're saying. I could go look in the archives for things he has said in the past that weren't 100% correct or just dumbfounded, but it doesn't mean that he or she meant them.

 

[Randy White]

the idea of getting and extra 2nd round pick, and if the contract offer for Sens is outrageous, I'll be the first to say " thanks, but no thanks ", BUT some of you need to ask yourselves this question:

Which safety in the draft that might be drafted in the 2nd round or later would YOU guarantee will be better than Sensanbaugh ?

 

[unionjack8]

Sensabaugh needs to stay. He proved to be a good S for us. Why people would rather have a 2nd round pick, which could just as easily be a bust is beyond a rational thought process.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

the idea of getting and extra 2nd round pick, and if the contract offer for Sens is outrageous, I'll be the first to say " thanks, but no thanks ", BUT some of you need to ask yourselves this question:

Which safety in the draft that might be drafted in the 2nd round or later would YOU guarantee will be better than Sensanbaugh ?

Nate Allen.

Sensabaugh is nothing spectacular. People are highly overrating him here.

Good player but not irreplacable.

 

[dbair1967]

Nate Allen.

Sensabaugh is nothing spectacular. People are highly overrating him here.

Good player but not irreplacable.

Me and Slate agree on something. Stop the presses!

And I like both DB's from South Florida.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Me and Slate agree on something. Stop the presses!

And I like both DB's from South Florida.

:laugh2:

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

Nate Allen.

Sensabaugh is nothing spectacular. People are highly overrating him here.

Good player but not irreplacable.

people are highly UNDERRATING HIM..... nothing spectacular, lol... that's a lot of you guys problem is you want a guy that is just going to be out of this world and that guy isn't available, he plays in Pittsburgh & Baltimore. Sensabaugh is very solid & without a cast he will be even better

 

[speedkilz88]

I like Sensabaugh a lot, but if he gets a big contract and the Cowboys get a 2nd in what's considered a very deep first two rounds because of the juniors then so be it.

 

[Rampage]

Sensabaugh made a lot more plays than Hamlin did with 1 arm. if we're gonna get rid of a safety I hope it's Hamlin not Sensy.

 

[big dog cowboy]

if we're gonna get rid of a safety I hope it's Hamlin not Sensy.

 

[theogt]

If we got a second out of him, it'd be a steal. This guy will be a career journeyman that will never stick with one team for any length of time.

The definition of a JAG.

 

[theogt]

Yeah he's been drinking the Hamlin kool-aid for awhile, but the numbers clearly show he is a liability and there's no arguing that his poor tackling cost us probably two games.

When your a starting FS with basically no coverage responsibilities, and you never get your hands on the football (two+ years is not a coincidence) you arnt doing your job, especially with the pass rush we've had the past two seasons. It'd be one thing if he was dropping picks, but he doesnt even get into position for pass deflections, let alone drop them.

Actually, the numbers show the opposite. You've literally stated that you choose to ignore the numbers, which is fine. I have no problem with someone ignoring the statistics. But let's not mischaracterize what the statistics say.

 

[jterrell]

the idea of getting and extra 2nd round pick, and if the contract offer for Sens is outrageous, I'll be the first to say " thanks, but no thanks ", BUT some of you need to ask yourselves this question:

Which safety in the draft that might be drafted in the 2nd round or later would YOU guarantee will be better than Sensanbaugh ?

This is the sensible approach and the answer is none.

There MIGHT be a safety drafted round 2 who turns out better but there's not even close to a guarantee that will happen. And the humorous answers about guys who will be drafted by 40 prove that.

Sensabaugh provided the best coverage we have had by a safety since Woody retired.... If we could easily replace that we would have long before now.

At the same time we can't pay the guy a fortune and if his agent is asking that then getting a 2nd is a smart personnel move. BUT, it's very possible we are letting him set the market for himself. We have done that with other guys we really liked.

Jairus Byrd and Louis Delmas were 2nd rounders who really played well this year at safety but it is worth noting both played on awful teams where development was the only real goal. On better teams players like Patrick Chung played special teams and rode pine.

 

[Randy White]

Jairus Byrd and Louis Delmas were 2nd rounders who really played well this year at safety but it is worth noting both played on awful teams where development was the only real goal. On better teams players like Patrick Chung played special teams and rode pine.

and how long did it take Merriweather, who was a high touted first round pick from " the U " to start for the Patriots ?


Listen folks, what we're saying here is that the grass isn't always greener on the other side and Sens " might " just be the 2nd coming of George Teague, who by no means was the best safety in the league, but was one heck of a player for us for a long, long time. Y'all remember that after the Packers let him go ( foolishly ), and played well with us, he came down here to play for Jimmah. For whatever reasons that, to this day, I still don't understand, the Dullphins didn't resign him and he came back to us and finished as one of our best contributors.

I thought that Ken Hamlin was going to be that ( ie: the next Teague ) but ever since the Cowboys gave him the big contract, his play hasn't been the same.

While I wouldn't break the bank to sign Sens, I wouldn't be too quick to let him go either.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually, the numbers show the opposite. You've literally stated that you choose to ignore the numbers, which is fine. I have no problem with someone ignoring the statistics. But let's not mischaracterize what the statistics say.

Those stats you love to quote are as such because we run a cover 3 most of the time and he patrols the deep middle. He was NEVER asked to single cover anyone at anytime yet you think the tiny sample size he has is because he is good.

He played the deep middle and quite frankly teams don't throw beyond 20 yards often and when they do he is not the primary cover guy. What the stats do show is the few times he was isolated, he got roached more often than not for large gains. This is a testament to Wade and Campo's schemes and not Hamlin.

And while Hamlin is sitting back 20 yards Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick and Sensabaugh are actually being asked to cover people. The stat lines of guys like Gates, Gonzalez, Davis, Boss and Celek were consistently 3-30 all season long.

Hamlin is sitting in a deep zone where the play is always in front of him and he is constantly in a position to read the QB and break on the ball and he gets ZERO interceptions. That is piss poor.

 

[Cowboys22]

If we got a second out of him, it'd be a steal. This guy will be a career journeyman that will never stick with one team for any length of time.

The definition of a JAG.

I agree. He's not a bad player at all and certainly proved to be an upgrade over what we had but he's the type of player that a good team will always look to upgrade. He will probably bounce around the league for a long time and have a decent career but teams will let him leave after a few years because they think they can find an upgrade. Dallas signed him for nothing when noone seemed to want him. If they can turn him into a second round pick then thats alot of value created out of thin air. If he stays, that fine, but if someone is willing to part with a 2nd for him, nobody should be very upset at all.

 

[dbair1967]

Actually, the numbers show the opposite. You've literally stated that you choose to ignore the numbers, which is fine. I have no problem with someone ignoring the statistics. But let's not mischaracterize what the statistics say.

You know what statistics I'm referring to, and there's no argument anyone can make to dispute them.

 

[Hoofbite]

You know what statistics I'm referring to, and there's no argument anyone can make to dispute them.

Can anyone else get in on these statistics?

Which ones you referring to?