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[dbair1967]

Can anyone else get in on these statistics?

Which ones you referring to?

1 interception in his past 35 games. A TOTAL of 4 passes defensed the last TWO seasons combined. 1 forced fumble in 3 seasons. Probably the main reason we lost two games just because of awful tackling.

Again, if he was getting close to picks and dropping them, thats one thing. But he isnt even getting close, as evidenced by the fact he doesnt even get PD's.

 

[Hoofbite]

1 interception in his past 35 games. A TOTAL of 4 passes defensed the last TWO seasons combined. 1 forced fumble in 3 seasons. Probably the main reason we lost two games just because of awful tackling.

Again, if he was getting close to picks and dropping them, thats one thing. But he isnt even getting close, as evidenced by the fact he doesnt even get PD's.

INTs and PDs combined......he's touched the ball 5 times in the last two seasons?

Wow.

 

[dbair1967]

INTs and PDs combined......he's touched the ball 5 times in the last two seasons?

Wow.

Yep. That is eye opening. Its even worse considering he basically has no man to man coverage responsibility either. Theo points out all the time that he gets "targeted" fewer times than any FS (or near the bottom) but the stat is meaningless IMO because he's never guarding anyone. He is either helping out over the top or playing centerfield and has a chance to read the QB virtually every pas play, and still doesnt make any plays. We also have one of the best pass rushes in football, and he does nothing with it. It speaks to his utter lack of instincts and inability to play the ball in the air, which IMO is holding back the defense.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Yep. That is eye opening. Its even worse considering he basically has no man to man coverage responsibility either. Theo points out all the time that he gets "targeted" fewer times than any FS (or near the bottom) but the stat is meaningless IMO because he's never guarding anyone. He is either helping out over the top or playing centerfield and has a chance to read the QB virtually every pas play, and still doesnt make any plays. We also have one of the best pass rushes in football, and he does nothing with it. It speaks to his utter lack of instincts and inability to play the ball in the air, which IMO is holding back the defense.

no kidding. I've never looked at it like that. he's touched the ball 5 times in 2 years. LOL. Some safeties get PD's in one game. And like you said it make matters worse he has no man responsibilities.

 

[Doomsday101]

Right now I'd rather hold on to Sensabaugh than to lose him. While ints may have not been great Dallas gave up fewer big plays than they did in years past. I'm all for looking to find a replacement for Hamlin I'm not in favor of trying to find 2 safeties

 

[Rampage]

Those stats you love to quote are as such because we run a cover 3 most of the time and he patrols the deep middle. He was NEVER asked to single cover anyone at anytime yet you think the tiny sample size he has is because he is good.

He played the deep middle and quite frankly teams don't throw beyond 20 yards often and when they do he is not the primary cover guy. What the stats do show is the few times he was isolated, he got roached more often than not for large gains. This is a testament to Wade and Campo's schemes and not Hamlin.

And while Hamlin is sitting back 20 yards Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick and Sensabaugh are actually being asked to cover people. The stat lines of guys like Gates, Gonzalez, Davis, Boss and Celek were consistently 3-30 all season long.

Hamlin is sitting in a deep zone where the play is always in front of him and he is constantly in a position to read the QB and break on the ball and he gets ZERO interceptions. That is piss poor.

 

[theogt]

INTs and PDs combined......he's touched the ball 5 times in the last two seasons?

Wow.

He was only thrown at 15 times in 2009, and 26 times in 2008. So, touching the ball 5 times in 41 attempts isn't actually that shocking. You'd like to see him get to the ball more often, but if it's offset by him now allowing much yardage, then that's fine.

For example, Darren Sharper, who most people would say is up there in the top safeties in the league right now, touched the ball 16 times in 76 attempts in the past two seasons. That's not significantly better, but it is better.

But then you look at their yardage given up, and Sharper gave up nearly twice as many yards as Hamlin (565 v. 335). So the question becomes -- would you like him to touch the ball more often at the expense of giving up lots of yardage?

 

[theogt]

Those stats you love to quote are as such because we run a cover 3 most of the time and he patrols the deep middle. He was NEVER asked to single cover anyone at anytime yet you think the tiny sample size he has is because he is good.

He played the deep middle and quite frankly teams don't throw beyond 20 yards often and when they do he is not the primary cover guy. What the stats do show is the few times he was isolated, he got roached more often than not for large gains. This is a testament to Wade and Campo's schemes and not Hamlin.

And while Hamlin is sitting back 20 yards Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick and Sensabaugh are actually being asked to cover people. The stat lines of guys like Gates, Gonzalez, Davis, Boss and Celek were consistently 3-30 all season long.

Hamlin is sitting in a deep zone where the play is always in front of him and he is constantly in a position to read the QB and break on the ball and he gets ZERO interceptions. That is piss poor.

You have no idea what kind of coverage we play because you don't actually watch the games that closely. You can't identify coverage even if you do watch the games. You're clueless about football and the stats, so it's not even worth responding to you.

 

[Rampage]

He was only thrown at 15 times in 2009, and 26 times in 2008. So, touching the ball 5 times in 41 attempts isn't actually that low. You'd like to see him get to the ball more often, but if it's offset by him now allowing much yardage, then that's fine.

For example, Darren Sharper, who most people would say is up there in the top safeties in the league right now, touched the ball 16 times in 76 attempts in the past two seasons. That's not significantly better, but it is better.

But then you look at their yardage given up, and Sharper gave up nearly twice as many yards as Hamlin (565 v. 335).

Sharper actually has to cover receivers sometimes cause he doesn't just sit back in a deep zone every play. also Darren Sharper picked off 9 passes last season and ran back 2 or 3 for tds. Sharper does what our coaching staff puts Hamlin in place to do which is make plays on the ball. what a bad comparison...

edit: and to the yardage why don't you subtract all the yardage Sharper gains on int returns from his total and see where it is.

 

[NeonNinja]

Those stats you love to quote are as such because we run a cover 3 most of the time and he patrols the deep middle. He was NEVER asked to single cover anyone at anytime yet you think the tiny sample size he has is because he is good.

He played the deep middle and quite frankly teams don't throw beyond 20 yards often and when they do he is not the primary cover guy. What the stats do show is the few times he was isolated, he got roached more often than not for large gains. This is a testament to Wade and Campo's schemes and not Hamlin.

And while Hamlin is sitting back 20 yards Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick and Sensabaugh are actually being asked to cover people. The stat lines of guys like Gates, Gonzalez, Davis, Boss and Celek were consistently 3-30 all season long.

Hamlin is sitting in a deep zone where the play is always in front of him and he is constantly in a position to read the QB and break on the ball and he gets ZERO interceptions. That is piss poor.

I agree.

 

[theogt]

Sharper actually has to cover receivers sometimes cause he doesn't just sit back in a deep zone every play. also Darren Sharper picked off 9 passes last season and ran back 2 or 3 for tds. Sharper does what our coaching staff puts Hamlin in place to do which is make plays on the ball. what a bad comparison...

How much does Sharper play in man coverage? Can you give a general percentage?

Is it at least 20% of the time? 50% of the time? 5% of the time?

How does that percentage compare to Hamlin?

What is the average depth that Hamlin starts at? Does he play, on average, 20 yards off the ball? 15 yards? 25 yards? How does that compare to Sharper?

Do you have the answer to any of the questions I asked? Just one? Can you answer a single question I ask? Please, no wild *** guesses. I would like actual answers, and if you don't have any, then shut up already.

 

[NeonNinja]

How much does Sharper play in man coverage? Can you give a general percentage?

Is it at least 20% of the time? 50% of the time? 5% of the time?

How does that percentage compare to Hamlin?

What is the average depth that Hamlin starts at? Does he play, on average, 20 yards off the ball? 15 yards? 25 yards? How does that compare to Sharper?

Do you have the answer to any of the questions I asked? Just one? Can you answer a single question I ask? Please, no wild *** guesses. I would like actual answers, and if you don't have any, then shut up already.

It's easy to see that he doesn't make any plays.

 

[Rampage]

How much does Sharper play in man coverage? Can you give a general percentage?

Is it at least 20% of the time? 50% of the time? 5% of the time?

How does that percentage compare to Hamlin?

What is the average depth that Hamlin starts at? Does he play, on average, 20 yards off the ball? 15 yards? 25 yards? How does that compare to Sharper?

Do you have the answer to any of the questions I asked? Just one? Can you answer a single question I ask?

why don't you check your phony stats! you just want me to answer those so A: you can tell me I don't know what i'm talking about or B: to make excuses for Hamlins ****ty play.

 

[theogt]

It's easy to see that he doesn't make any plays.

Trust me, I know that certain things are easy to see for people. Those get pointed out quite often on this board. It's the things that are more difficult to see that most people have a problem with.

 

[theogt]

why don't you check your phony stats! you just want me to answer those so A: you can tell me I don't know what i'm talking about or B: to make excuses for Hamlins ****ty play.

You can't answer a single question I asked can you?

Not a single question. Guess what that means.

You're clueless.

 

[Rampage]

You can't answer a single question I asked can you?

Not a single question. Guess what that means.

You're clueless.

says the guy who thinks Ken Hamlin is one of the best safeties in the league:laugh2:

you're the only one on a site with 10,000+ members that takes the stand on Ken Hamlin the way you do so i guess everybody else is "clueless".

 

[theogt]

says the guy who thinks Ken Hamlin is one of the best safeties in the league:laugh2:

you're the only one on a site with 10,000+ members that takes the stand on Ken Hamlin the way you do so i guess everybody else is "clueless".

Should I keep waiting for you to answer a single question or do you admit that you know nothing?

 

[NeonNinja]

Hamlin has the 14th highest NFL rating for passes thrown into the players coverage. The lower the number the better, he comes in at a 120.1. And a few are backups that are higher than him. Being 14th out of 87 and 4-5 being backups ahead of him is awful. Add that onto his 2 PD and 0 INT and it's just ugly.

 

[Rampage]

Should I keep waiting for you to answer a single question or do you admit that you know nothing?

so because I don't have access to stats I know nothing? yet you're the one trying to act like Ken Hamlin is on par with a future hall of famer in Darren Sharper...

 

[theogt]

Hamlin has the 14th highest NFL rating for passes thrown into the players coverage. The lower the number the better, he comes in at a 120.1. And a few are backups that are higher than him. Being 14th out of 87 and 4-5 being backups ahead of him and quite sad. Add that onto his 2 PD and 0 INT and it's just ugly.

You can't look at passer rating because of the small sample size (i.e., only being targeted 15 times all season).

For example, would you rather have Player A, who was targeted 100 times all season and gave up a 90 QB rating or Player B, who was targeted 20 times all season and gave up a 100 QB rating despite playing the same number of snaps?

The statistics indicate that Player B had the better season, but due to small sample size, you can't look at QB rating to judge.