Sensabaugh has visits lined up — 3:30 p.m.

[theogt]

so because I don't have access to stats I know nothing? yet you're the one trying to act like Ken Hamlin is on par with a future hall of famer in Darren Sharper...

Hey, kiddo, you're the one that made the claim that Hamlin plays deeper and doesn't play as much man coverage, but now you're saying you don't know if he does or not because you don't know the statistics.

Seems like you should just keep your mouth shut if you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[DavidS]

He was only thrown at 15 times in 2009, and 26 times in 2008. So, touching the ball 5 times in 41 attempts isn't actually that shocking. You'd like to see him get to the ball more often, but if it's offset by him now allowing much yardage, then that's fine.

For example, Darren Sharper, who most people would say is up there in the top safeties in the league right now, touched the ball 16 times in 76 attempts in the past two seasons. That's not significantly better, but it is better.

But then you look at their yardage given up, and Sharper gave up nearly twice as many yards as Hamlin (565 v. 335). So the question becomes -- would you like him to touch the ball more often at the expense of giving up lots of yardage?

I will agree with this....

You have no idea what kind of coverage we play because you don't actually watch the games that closely. You can't identify coverage even if you do watch the games. You're clueless about football and the stats, so it's not even worth responding to you.

This.....

You can't answer a single question I asked can you?

Not a single question. Guess what that means.

You're clueless.

And for sure this.......

Remember, Rampage is the one that says this team is run by morons.

theogt is right about Hamlin. You guys dont have a clue about the schemes nor his assignments in the secondary. You only go by interceptions and Chris Fatass Berman's late night highlight's.

 

[NeonNinja]

You can't look at passer rating because of the small sample size (i.e., only being targeted 15 times all season).

For example, would you rather have Player A, who was targeted 100 times all season and gave up a 90 QB rating or Player B, who was targeted 20 times all season and gave up a 100 QB rating despite playing the same number of snaps?

The statistics indicate that Player B had the better season, but due to small sample size, you can't look at QB rating to judge.

What is the excuse for the lack of plays? I admit I don't know what coverage they're in or have stats to really back it up but by watching the games it seemed that Sensy had man to man on TE's a lot more than I ever saw Hamlin. Hamlin looked to be in a deep zone most of the time without many man to man assignments.

 

[Wood]

the reality is that Hamlin and Sensabaugh give you same thing...sound run defense but create little turnovers. Dallas does NOT need both on the roster. Personally I would rather keep Sensabaugh and move Hamlin but Hamlin does have better leadership qualities (notice the defense really solidified last year once he returned) and is under contract. I would let Sensabugh go for second rounder...but I then think Dallas should consider moving up in draft to get ball hawk safety earlier in draft.

 

[Rampage]

Hey, kiddo, you're the one that made the claim that Hamlin plays deeper and doesn't play as much man coverage, but now you're saying you don't know if he does or not because you don't know the statistics.

Seems like you should just keep your mouth shut if you don't know what you're talking about.

hey, now you got a follower. gunit appears to still be butt hurt so he's agreeing with you.:laugh2: I don't need stats, watch the games. Hamlin is put in position to make plays and he doesn't. here's some stats for you.

Sharper 9 ints a record return yardage and 2 or 3 tds just last season.

Ken Hamlins 3 year career in Dallas 6 picks(only 1 in the last 2 seasons)

 

[DavidS]

hey, now you got a follower. gunit appears to still be butt hurt so he's agreeing with you.:laugh2: I don't need stats, watch the games. Hamlin is put in position to make plays and he doesn't. here's some stats for you.

Sharper 9 ints a record return yardage and 2 or 3 tds just last season.

Ken Hamlins 3 year career in Dallas 6 picks(only 1 in the last 2 seasons)

My butt does indeed hurt.....I might go push myself out a stinky, ugly Rampage!!!

 

[theogt]

What is the excuse for the lack of plays? I admit I don't know what coverage they're in or have stats to really back it up but by watching the games it seemed that Sensy had man to man on TE's a lot more than I ever saw Hamlin. Hamlin looked to be in a deep zone most of the time without many man to man assignments.

Interceptions are by and large luck. They're most often due to inexperienced QBs, pressure, or just plain ol' mistakes by the opposing QB. Rarely are they caused by a great play by the safety. In my personal view, which many surely disagree with, I generally do not see INTs from the safety position as that indicative of anything about the safety. That is a general rule, of course, and can be subject to exceptions.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sharper did have allot of ints he also gave up allot of big plays Saints gave up 11 plays of 40 yards or more last season compare that to Dallas who gave up 5 plays. Ints no doubt are game changers but Sharper at times was overly aggressive to the point of giving up big plays something Dallas has tried to cut down on and did so this past season

 

[Gaede]

theogt is right about Hamlin. You guys dont have a clue about the schemes nor his assignments in the secondary.....

Woah, just had a flash back to the Roy Williams era

 

[theogt]

hey, now you got a follower. gunit appears to still be butt hurt so he's agreeing with you.:laugh2: I don't need stats, watch the games. Hamlin is put in position to make plays and he doesn't. here's some stats for you.

Sharper 9 ints a record return yardage and 2 or 3 tds just last season.

Ken Hamlins 3 year career in Dallas 6 picks(only 1 in the last 2 seasons)

Look, it's very clear to everyone that you can look at NFL.com, but know little else.

 

[casmith07]

Look, it's very clear to everyone that you can look at NFL.com, but know little else.

and, in true Rampage fashion:

 

[HanD]

hey, now you got a follower. gunit appears to still be butt hurt so he's agreeing with you.:laugh2: I don't need stats, watch the games. Hamlin is put in position to make plays and he doesn't. here's some stats for you.

Sharper 9 ints a record return yardage and 2 or 3 tds just last season.

Ken Hamlins 3 year career in Dallas 6 picks(only 1 in the last 2 seasons)

not a huge hamlin fan but man does he get a bad rap here. i guess people really miss the lynn scott days when we couldn't stop a long pass. it was either a completion or a flag. our secondary has been very good compared to what it used to be.

and same with sensy....guy had a cast on all year and people act as if he wasn't an improvement over RW38.

 

[baj1dallas]

I'm amazed by the posts in this thread.

Sensabaugh basically shut down the best TE's we faced all season long. He is exceptional in coverage on TE's, and he showed up more in all coverage than Hamlin.

I don't believe for a second that Dallas will let him walk...I think they felt safe with a 2nd round tender and want to see what the market offers.

When you let your good players walk and have to replace them, you usually take a step backwards in the transition. This team is already very good and should continue upgrading.

I agree, I thought he played pretty well last year. He's definitely worth a low second round pick to any team but I think (hope) the Cowboys will match.

 

[Steven_81]

who is he visiting anyone no?

 

[dallasfaniac]

As far as I know he hasn't visited any teams at this point.

The only way I'd even think of letting him walk is if it's a team with a high 2nd. I agree that replacing both Hamlin and Sensabaugh is not a smart thing to do. I've seen some number thrown out there to make Hamlin seem like a really bad player, yet it seems Sensy's numbers are being ignored. Sensy allowed 108 QB rating, 70% completions and 3 TDs with 8 missed tackles. I do like how he covered TEs but think we could do better at the position, just not at both positions at the same time.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Interceptions are by and large luck. They're most often due to inexperienced QBs, pressure, or just plain ol' mistakes by the opposing QB. Rarely are they caused by a great play by the safety. In my personal view, which many surely disagree with, I generally do not see INTs from the safety position as that indicative of anything about the safety. That is a general rule, of course, and can be subject to exceptions.

so, basically what you are saying is it happens to be a complete fluke that players like Ronnie Lott, Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Sean Taylor, OJ Atogwe, Eric Berry, Earl Thomas, Nick Collins, Tanard Jackson, Jairus Byrd plus many many more in college football and in the NFL happen to come down with multi INT season and its just a complete fluke? Please. What you mentioned is part of it but Instincts, there ability to man-to-man cover, zone coverage, has something to do with it. Interceptions are luck? LOL. Maybe the ODD time, I know you have a hard on for Hamlin, but don't push it. Go tell that to Ed reed with his 50 career INT. You're wrong on so many levels. You don't see INt from the FS safety position indicative of anything? I've seen it all. Bring in ANY of those guys and I GUARANTEE you will see a vast improvement.

 

[theogt]

so, basically what you are saying is it happens to be a complete fluke that players like Ronnie Lott, Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Sean Taylor, OJ Atogwe, Eric Berry, Earl Thomas, Nick Collins, Tanard Jackson, Jairus Byrd plus many many more in college football and in the NFL happen to come down with multi INT season and its just a complete fluke? Please. What you mentioned is part of it but Instincts, there ability to man-to-man cover, zone coverage, has something to do with it. Interceptions are luck? LOL. Maybe the ODD time, I know you have a hard on for Hamlin, but don't push it. Go tell that to Ed reed with his 50 career INT. You're wrong on so many levels. You don't see INt from the FS safety position indicative of anything? I've seen it all. Bring in ANY of those guys and I GUARANTEE you will see a vast improvement.

Actually, that's not what I'm saying at all. Go back and re-read it a few times and see if you can understand it better.

 

[TrueBeliever007]

Do you think Sensabaugh will sign with another team and we get the second?
Would you mind, with the potential if it is high enough getting Nate Allen?

Write down your thoughts on this.

 

[Doomsday101]

Do you think Sensabaugh will sign with another team and we get the second?
Would you mind, with the potential if it is high enough getting Nate Allen?

Write down your thoughts on this.

I think Sensabaugh will be back this coming season

 

[jobberone]

By the eyeball test Hamlin rates as a slightly above average safety. He's solid and that's about all you can say about the last two seasons. He commands some respect from Wade and that should say a fair amount.

That position could stand some upgrading although that's a lot easier said than done.