Sentiment Change -Enter Joe Philbin

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For the last couple of years many us have contributed the average / below average line play as a direct result of Philbin's coaching and scheme. The line has went through a significant transition from what it use to be.

My question is

Considering the progress of Steele(undrafted), Smith, Biadiaz, and Farniok(7th round), does Philbin finally get to see some love on these boards? Regardless of what actually happens, has he done enough to earn another year from the zone?
 
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Havic said:
For the last couple of years many us have contributed the average / below average line play as a direct result of Philbin's coaching and scheme. The line has went through a significant transition from what it use to be.

My question is

Considering the progress of Steele(undrafted), Smith, Biadiaz, and Farniok(7th round), does Philbin finally get to see some love on these boards? Regardless of what actually happens, has he done enough to earn another year from the zone?
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Great question.
Sometimes it's not a black or white answer.
Sometimes it's somewhere on between.
The young players have definitely improved for the most part.
I would be inclined to keep him another year.
 
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Havic said:
For the last couple of years many us have contributed the average / below average line play as a direct result of Philbin's coaching and scheme. The line has went through a significant transition from what it use to be.

My question is

Considering the progress of Steele(undrafted), Smith, Biadiaz, and Farniok(7th round), does Philbin finally get to see some love on these boards? Regardless of what actually happens, has he done enough to earn another year from the zone?
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Philbin was a bad OC and HC. He's respected around the league as an outstanding OL coach. Callahan 2.0.

Collins didn't respond well to him. He also got Alexander fired. Performed better under Colombo who can't get a job coaching.

No wonder the team was done with him. Prima donas who aren't available to play are useless
 

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"Cooper Rush gets the ball out quicker...meaning less time for line to make a mistake"

But them running plays...
 
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Havic said:
For the last couple of years many us have contributed the average / below average line play as a direct result of Philbin's coaching and scheme. The line has went through a significant transition from what it use to be.

My question is

Considering the progress of Steele(undrafted), Smith, Biadiaz, and Farniok(7th round), does Philbin finally get to see some love on these boards? Regardless of what actually happens, has he done enough to earn another year from the zone?
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Nope.

Philbin oversaw the most penalized OL the last 2 seasons. And counting.

Philbin refused to develop Connor Williams at center. CW is now the highest rated center in NFL his 1st year playing center. For the Fins.

Philbin has poor feel for how to use his players. The musical chairs at the end of last season was instrumental in #1 offense falling off a cliff.

Philbin didn't want to draft Tyler.

Philbin had McGovern ahead of Tyler at LG.

And the final nail in coffin is Cowboys OL are playing so much better after going to man-power and away from Philbin's preferred ZBS scheme.
 
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I think the OL has improved from one that couldn't get the needed production to one that is doing better on both the run and pass. Whether we actually appreciate that or not, and whomever we credit for that happening, I think Philbin will be retained next year. It's for the simple reasoning of not disturbing the success we're having at present. It's just a practical application of observing the old adage, "if it's works, don't fix it." I doubt we'll make that mistake.
 
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Havic said:
For the last couple of years many us have contributed the average / below average line play as a direct result of Philbin's coaching and scheme. The line has went through a significant transition from what it use to be.

My question is

Considering the progress of Steele(undrafted), Smith, Biadiaz, and Farniok(7th round), does Philbin finally get to see some love on these boards? Regardless of what actually happens, has he done enough to earn another year from the zone?
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Philbin should get credit for the LT play of the guy he trained at LG all offseason?
 
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Bullflop said:
I think the OL has improved from one that couldn't get the needed production to one that is doing better on both the run and pass. Whether we actually appreciate that or not, and whomever we credit for that happening, I think Philbin will be retained next year. It's for the simple reasoning of not disturbing the success we're having at present. It's just a practical application of observing the old adage, "if it's works, don't fix it." I doubt we'll make that mistake.
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Not sure about that.

Marc Columbo had an OL unit that was 2nd in the entire NFL in least sacks allowed,..and 5th in the NFL in rushing.
Yet he was Not retained by new HC Mike McCarthy who wanted his longtime asst coach Joe Philibin to take over as new OL coach.

Assuming Sean Payton is the new HC here next year, what if he prefers his own OL coach..,.as McCarthy did ?
 
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I think people are quick to rail against a player or coach, coach can only do so much the player has to in the end get the job done. While you have some OL wash out we have seen other young OL players excel under Philbin
 
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Havic said:
For the last couple of years many us have contributed the average / below average line play as a direct result of Philbin's coaching and scheme. The line has went through a significant transition from what it use to be.

My question is

Considering the progress of Steele(undrafted), Smith, Biadiaz, and Farniok(7th round), does Philbin finally get to see some love on these boards? Regardless of what actually happens, has he done enough to earn another year from the zone?
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Fan takes mean zero in that building but Philbin did not do as much to develop Steele as we want think according to Duke. Steele has invested his own time and money with Duke and others to develop himself.
Farniok has not been good. He's a sound backup but his play has been below replacement level.
Philbin's biggest contribution is his relationship with MM and how he provides him with some familiarity and a loyal soldier.

End of day results matter long term.
IF Philbin was in big on Tyler Smith then he deserves real credit.
If not then he is likely very replaceable as an OL coach but may provide enough soft benefit to retire here.
MM and Philbin are likely tied together in results from this year.
 
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Not sure about that.

Marc Columbo had an OL unit that was 2nd in the entire NFL in least sacks allowed,..and 5th in the NFL in rushing.
Yet he was Not retained by new HC Mike McCarthy who wanted his longtime asst coach Joe Philibin to take over as new OL coach.

Assuming Sean Payton is the new HC here next year, what if he prefers his own OL coach..,.as McCarthy did ?
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Yeah, what happens if:
A)They keep MM?
B) Go with Payton?
C)Name Quinn?
D)Pick another?

Continuity is important, but the HC should decide.
 
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